Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

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riceroost Senior Member

Originally posted by Sam Z
And it was a typical bad writing.
Spider-man doesn't need an upgrade to beat Cap without much trouble. But it seems that writers forget about Spider sense, speed, reflexes and strength when it comes to fight with Cap/Wolverine/Punisher.
I dont know about that. JMS has been writing Spider-Man for a very long time, and considering that he is the person that is handling the whole "Spider Power-Up" if he says Spidey has a tough time against Cap, thats the way it is. As far as Cap/Wolverine/Punisher go, this issue seems to indicate that a lot more discussion and thought needs to be given to their skill level and how it can compensate for Spider-Man's greater physical ability. I wouldn't really put Punisher in with Wolverine and Cap, unless we are including Frank's ability to set traps and use prep.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Cap has roughed up Wolverine also though.
Cap has never roughed up Wolverine.

Cap Annual # 8 - 3 second fight, no one had any advantage, no winner.

CapWolf arc - berserk Wolverine was about to kill Cap before interference.

EOTS - Cap KOed a nearly dead Wolverine from behind, Wolverine had just been in a plane wreck, fought an entire team of X-Men, and been hurt worse than he had ever been before. Clearly not a fight.

Wolverine Origins - Wolverine just got done fighting Nitro and he still has enough left to take the advantage over Cap. Later in the issue
Wolverine annihilates Cap after taking a hit from a sword that can kill anyone. Cap would be dead if the X-Men hadn't showed up to save him.

Cap can only defend himself against Wolverine. He can't take the win.

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

Could you define "rough up" for me please?

A.J Restricted

Any willing to put those fights with Cap up please ? 😄

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Sam Z
And it was a typical bad writing.
Spider-man doesn't need an upgrade to beat Cap without much trouble. But it seems that writers forget about Spider sense, speed, reflexes and strength when it comes to fight with Cap/Wolverine/Punisher.

again u forget that spidermans edge in agility and reflex is no great enough to effect the out come of the battle.
Spidersense is also not such a big deal when u consider wolverine hyper sense can allow him to know his opponets attack before they make them.
spiderman strength is the only thing that he has over wolverine by a big amount, but that being said it does not matter so ever becuase wolverine stamina and durability dwarf that of spidermans.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by Sam Z
And it was a typical bad writing.
Spider-man doesn't need an upgrade to beat Cap without much trouble. But it seems that writers forget about Spider sense, speed, reflexes and strength when it comes to fight with Cap/Wolverine/Punisher.

Or maybe the writers realised that every speed feat Spider-man has done has (at the very lest) been matched by the likes of Captain America/Wolverine/Daredevil numerous times any there is nothing to suggest that Spider-man has a massive speed advantage over any street hero?

EDIT: Holy smokes! C-Master is back... when did you start posting again?

Soleran Fast As Time

Or maybe its a comic and want to make sure all those street level types have a chance🙂

Sam Z Restricted
Originally posted by capt it up
again u forget that spidermans edge in agility and reflex is no great enough to effect the out come of the battle.
Spidersense is also not such a big deal when u consider wolverine hyper sense can allow him to know his opponets attack before they make them.
spiderman strength is the only thing that he has over wolverine by a big amount, but that being said it does not matter so ever becuase wolverine stamina and durability dwarf that of spidermans.

Spider-mans edge in reflexes and agility is a bid deal especially on pair with the fact that he is much faster, stronger and has sense that warns him on every coming danger. I don't know what on earth makes you to compare spider sense with Wolverines enhanced senses because they do not help Wolvie to dodge attacks, it is only his reflexes that are not on pair with Spider's. The only real advantage Wolverine has is his healing factor. And Spider-man still has a lot of moves to take Wolverine down even with it.

Sam Z Restricted

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Or maybe the writers realised that every speed feat Spider-man has done has (at the very lest) been matched by the likes of Captain America/Wolverine/Daredevil numerous times any there is nothing to suggest that Spider-man has a massive speed advantage over any street hero?

EDIT: Holy smokes! C-Master is back... when did you start posting again?

Spider-man still has a big speed advantage over Cap, Deardevil and Wolvie.

keak da sneak Senior Member

yes but wolverine is the kind of character that will keep gettin back up spiderman cant keep him down for long

Sam Z Restricted
Originally posted by keak da sneak
yes but wolverine is the kind of character that will keep gettin back up spiderman cant keep him down for long

There are still many ways for him to kill Wolverine. Want me to make list?

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by Sam Z
Spider-man still has a big speed advantage over Cap, Deardevil and Wolvie.

Why? Every impressive speed feat Spider-man has has been duplicated or matched by any street level worth their weight in salt. So why does he have a massive speed advantage? Because Spider-man fans say so?

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

Srank, I got back about 2 weeks ago, lol.

Originally posted by capt it up
again u forget that spidermans edge in agility and reflex is no great enough to effect the out come of the battle.
Spidersense is also not such a big deal when u consider wolverine hyper sense can allow him to know his opponets attack before they make them.
spiderman strength is the only thing that he has over wolverine by a big amount, but that being said it does not matter so ever becuase wolverine stamina and durability dwarf that of spidermans.
I wouldn't consider Wolverine's "senses" to be at much of advantage here since Spiderman will simply be fighting in his face. Wolverine is not Daredevil. I also disagree about his speed and reflexes. Sure they all dodge bullets (bullets are jobbers), and move fast. I agree, but the difference is, Spiderman doesn't NEED to try as hard to move as fast, and with as much ease considering his flexibility, equilibrium, agility, and his strength. The stronger a muscle is in a body, the faster it moves. Spiderman is superhumanly strong in a light body, therefore he is superhumanly fast. With his legs as strong as they are, I would wager him having no problem jumping a small parking lot.

Sam Z Restricted
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Why? Every impressive speed feat Spider-man has has been duplicated or matched by any street level worth their weight in salt. So why does he have a massive speed advantage? Because Spider-man fans say so?

No, because Spider-man's creators say so.
Before the upgrade he was said to be 15 times faster than average humans. You think Wolverine is that fast?

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

Originally posted by Sam Z
No, because Spider-man's creators say so.
Before the upgrade he was said to be 15 times faster than average humans. You think Wolverine is that fast?
They are the best that a human can get, and wolverine is enhanced, a very LOW low end super, or a higher end peak.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by Sam Z
No, because Spider-man's creators say so.
Before the upgrade he was said to be 15 times faster than average humans. You think Wolverine is that fast?

No. It was said in a Spider-man internal monologue.

Lets assume that 15x is accurate and lets compare that to some other characters shall we? Punisher (who isn't even peak human by comic book standards) strolls into rooms of dozen of armed men and casually kills them all in a heart beat... often before they can draw their guns and get a shot off. He was once fighting some guy with a bomb hooked to his heart when a bunch of Shock Troopers showed up. The guy said Frank couldn't stop the Shock Troopers and prevent the guy from killing himself... so what does Frank do? He kills all the Shock Troopers surrounding him in littler the blink of an eye. How fast would someone need to be to do this? Franks reflexes would need to be around 5-10 faster then the best human to pull of feats like this. And Frank can't compete with the higher end streets like Cap/DD/Wolverine who are all faster/stronger then him. So why is Spider-man faster? Because some writer never haphazardly threw out a number on how much faster they are compared to normal men? Well they don't need too because the feats alone are enough to show that their speed is close enough to Spider-mans.

Black Dude Member

Anyone who says Wolverine would win does not know Spidey that well. Wolverine strength wise is just above peak human. Currently Spiderman is a class 10 strengther meaning if he wasn't holding back each of his punchs would come with several tons of power.

Yes Spiderman is stronger than him ALOT stronger than him. They have fought several times before with Spiderman coming out on top most of the time hell he usually embarasses the man.

Not only is Spiderman stronger, but he's faster too, ALOT faster. He could dodge Wolverine while sleeping. Then theres webbing Wolverine can't break it don't beleive me look here.

badabing Gym rat

Originally posted by Black Dude
Anyone who says Wolverine would win does not know Spidey that well. Wolverine strength wise is just above peak human. Currently Spiderman is a class 10 strengther meaning if he wasn't holding back each of his punchs would come with several tons of power.

Yes Spiderman is stronger than him ALOT stronger than him. They have fought several times before with Spiderman coming out on top most of the time hell he usually embarasses the man.

Not only is Spiderman stronger, but he's faster too, ALOT faster. He could dodge Wolverine while sleeping. Then theres webbing Wolverine can't break it don't beleive me look here.


*Badabing patiently waits with chips and beer for Capt, Jin, Rice and Srankmiss* 😖hifty: 😗

keak da sneak Senior Member

ok the only think im sick of hearin is the spider sence thing we all kno spiderman can dodge alot but sooner or later wolverine will hit him if that fat ass king pin can hit spiderman wolverine can definatley hit hit without a problem and thats all it takes is about 2 hits from those claws and hes out

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by Black Dude
Yes Spiderman is stronger than him ALOT stronger than him. They have fought several times before with Spiderman coming out on top most of the time hell he usually embarasses the man.

... When has Spider-man come out on top? In Marvel Team-up... where Spider-man webbed up an unwilling Wolverine who was talking to Spider-man trying to avoid a fight and had just been blasted twice by an Omega Level Mutant? Any fight between the two has ended in draw or with Wolverine with the edge before the fight was been broken up. Spider-man only has good showings when Wolverine is standing around doing nothing so he can web him up with out warning or knock him out a window with out retaliation.

I think Spider-man wins a with Wolverine. I even think he gets the high majority of wins. It has nothing do to with his strength advantage or is slight speed edge though; he wins because he has webbing and can keep Wolverine at range

keak da sneak Senior Member

exactly wolvverine is better and if anyone want to argue about come over my house and play marvel vs capcom and we will see how wolverine will own him