Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by capt it up
That was one single event and it was PIS, by a PIS writer. Here I will prove just why it was PIS. In (x-men # 72 ) marrow stabs a bone dagger straight through wolverine throat and all it manage to do was hurt Logan and send him into a rage were he almost kill marrow until cannonball saves her.
Last time I check bone dagger to the throat>>>>>>>>jab.
Next example is in is in ( wolverine # 30 agent of shield part 5) were wolverine takes a sword straight through the throat from gorgon into the wall and the only thing it manage to do was hold wolverine there because wolverine did not have the leverage to pull it out. Wolverine was not only talking, but was trying to rip the sword out and was far from out of the fight.
Last time a checked sword through the throat>>>>>>>>>>>>jab.
Next example is from ( wolverine 31) wolverine gets a sword through the throat and keeps on fighting even with two people holding his arms and a third holding the sword that is still inside of wolverine throat.
Sword in throat>>>>>>>>>>>>jab.
Next example from ( wolverine # 184) 5 bullets go through wolverine throat and he does not even flinch.
Last time I checked bullets through the throat>>>>>jab.
So please enlighten me how that is not PIS when wolverine has repeatedly taken swords and bullets through the throat and kept on fight, yet he could not take a jab.

Or...we could all be way underestimating the power of a Jab To The Throat! These are comics books where the laws of physics are routinely broken. I mean, clearly Wolverine has been lucky so far to have only been shot and stabbed in the throat. 😄

Originally posted by capt it up
No it in no way is a cheap excuse. The comics scans you showed were of PIS filled comics and they were PIS filled events. Ennis comics are known to be filled with PIS so why are you even using them as evidence? Wolverine in those scan was way below his norm and not to mention wolverine has taken swords to the throat and been fine, but yet a jabb with a hand to the throat effects him.

Dam right it was your bad you baby eater lol

Not at all I only tell you how it is and Ennis writes PIS filled comic and that’s a fact. Those two issue were bull shit and not valid evidences.

How about we go over a few things you left out. First of all this is wolverine pre being written as a mutant with a healing factor and a master of martial arts. This all took place before his first mini. Also I would like to add in the fact that you have clearly never read this issue, so I will tell you why that hurts your case so much. Wolverine mind had just been ****ed with to the extreme he had been killed in his mind over and over. He was crazy he was scared shitless of him self and that why scot attacked him to snapp wolverine out of it because that would be a fate worse then death for wolverine. Wolverine was far from peak ability at that time. Also you forgot to show the rest of the scan were scot ends the fight because he would have died if it continued.

Sweet nice using pre written mutant wolverine. Nor did spidermans when he fought a lone cyber ninja as seen below
http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wn7rm9.jpg
Also wolverine takes on multiple cyber ninjas at once with out taking hits and spiderman has trouble with one? Two can play this game of using low end feats and PIS events.

Not at all. Actually DP has never pwned wolverine. Wolverine always out fights DP ass. The only reason DP ever wins is due to a plot device such as wolverine having no healing factor.

http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineownsdpaa7.png

Again another false remark by you. Wolverine is the one who normally get the first cut in such as in the scan below
http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine088page04059kskt9.jpg

No you just happen to pick extremely bad examples. Lets see you picked two examples from ennis which were so filled with BS that one of them I think was later said to be a dream if I am not mistaken. Your other example was of thing Koing wolverine in a single hit which is not very accurate since evidence after evidence shows that people as strong and stronger then thing have failed to KO wolverine in a single hit. Even thing him self has later failed to KO wolverine even after hitting him as hard as he could

I can’t correctly judge? Who the one who thinks spiderman can’t be touched? Oh that’s right that would be you. Who the one that thinks spiderman is far superior in speed agility and reflex even though characters such as wolverine, DD, capt have all comparable feats with spidermans. Yet you still have the nerve to try and tell me that spiderman is far superior in those areas even though spiderman has no feats that out does any of theses 3. So I ask again who the one who lets there limitless love of there character blind there judgment?

When they are I will thank you very much.

Go look under the forum rules. Look at blood lusted and no mention of PIS because you obviously need to read the rules of this forum because you clearly don’t know them.
Also by your logic wolverine heal from a nuke in venom on the run is usable evidence? Or how about Logan healing from burning burned to a skeleton in wolverine civil war?
Or how about squirl girl beating thanos? Does that mean squirl girl>thanos?

Oh you mean those ennis issues. The ones that were full of PIS and plot devices? You mean the one were in that same issue wolveriner drank acid and spiderman got tricked by fake bombs? Oh and by the way wolverine was never Koed in either scans so your argument is pretty mute.

How am I whining, because I am proving to you that your scans are PIS?

Cheap excuses? I am telling you how it is and you call it a cheap excuses. I am sorry, but no ones making excuses the fact is wolverine was not written with a healing factor or as a mutant during that time.

Yes I recall the issue, but I do not recall the number or titles could you give it to me.

As I recall it was twice

Good because if you were you be terribly foolish.

Were the hell did you get all this from. When did I ever say spiderman was to kind to aim for the throat? This is what I said
“When has spiderman ever aimed for the throat in a fight? Can you even show one example of spiderman punching some one in the throat?”

Were the hell do you get me saying spiderman is to kind to punch some one in the throat from what I said? I think you had no prove that Spiderman has ever hit some one in the throat so you decided to try and weave around the argument. The fact of the matter is spiderman has never hit some one in the throat, I how ever am not saying he would not, but it would never be a game plain of his because he has never done it before so he won’t be thinking to trying it. Also what makes you think he will be able to hit it? Also if he tried to hit it he leave him self open and would die. Also what makes you think it would ever work? Wolverine has taken shots from far strong people then spiderman to the head which also causes neck damage and wolverine has been fine what makes you think a punch to the throat from spiderman would do any thing?

When have I screamed at all let a lone PIS? I have merely stated what was PIS and what was not.

If it was written with current Spiderman then no that would not be well written, but the fact is that was written back during classic Spiderman days when he was still in experiences. Why would spiderman not have been scared? Who had spiderman fought that was as deadly as wolverine? Spiderman had just saw his friend murder earlier that day, not to mention he had watch wolverine murder countless people. Spiderman had seen more killing that day then he ever seen in his live up till that point so of course he was scared. Spiderman had also never met some one who moved almost on par with him and wolverine makes almost ever one scared hell he had warpath scared shitless of him before.

The fact is both those ennis storys were PIS, so yes you are and you need to know you are. I can prove both of them were since wolverine had taken swords to the throat and been fine how the hell do you explain him being so hurt from a jab? You have no reason you just have no better argument so you cling to PIS events.

...So...everytime we can point out some instance where Wolverine is defeated, it's PIS, correct? However, when we show instances of Spider-Man in a long fight with a ninja, it's completely admissable. Or when Spidey doesn't do half the things he should or use his powers to their fullest, it's completely true and should be used as proof.

I love how this logic works.

Using this logic, I can easily argue that it has been PIS everytime Wolverine has even touched Spidey in the first place. He should be able to go untouched all day long. Given his skills/abilities/powers and previous feats, Wolverine shouldn't even be able to land a single blow on Spidey. However, Spidey should be able to land pretty much every attack with which he wants to hit Wolverine.

I could easily argue that it's PIS that Spidey wasn't able to knock out Wolverine with several, un-pulled punches, when Wolverine has been knocked out by much less in the past.

I could argue that it's PIS that Spidey's webs didn't hold Wolverine to the wall when he webbed him there during the training session. His webbing has held FAR stronger opponents and supported dozens of tons of weight before with little problem. But a three-hundred pound man with approximately 1 ton of strength can easily break through. A memory of Spidey dumping a crapload of webbing onto Hulk comes to mind...Or even the time against the Blob was it? The very same could happen to Wolverine. And it's PIS that it hasn't happened yet.

God, I love it.

Originally posted by capt it up
yes I can and I just did. I not gunna let some kid sit here and straight out lie. by the way wolverine winning is not bull shit

Originally posted by capt it up
Yet wolverine has comparable feats. Yes I agree spiderman is faster, but such a small amount that it would matter not at all in a fight.

Sure, but coming from you there bound to be extremely BIAS and unlikely.

ya, but see the only way spiderman could do that is if wolverine allowed him to and even then that has yet two work for spiderman

Which in no way would put logan down which I have already proven.

Not at all. Spiderman would have extremely difficult time pulling this off. Spiderman speed feat is so slight that it would matter not at all in this fight. Wolverine would be able to block any attacks aimed for that area and if Spiderman tried this attack he would lose his leg or die because it would leave him terribly open. Also wolverine a martial artist a master of it and would know many way to protect that area while in battle. If Spiderman tried what you are suggesting it would be the death of him. Also when has spiderman ever aimed for the balls in a fight? Can you show one example of him kicking some one in the balls?

How will he do this? As I have already explained it will not work. Hitting wolverine in the neck will not put him down when a sword through the neck does not. Also spiderman ahs yet to ever hit a person in the next, so what makes you think that would even be a game play for him? Also in order to hit wolverine in the neck he would have to leave him self terribly open in which case he would get stabbed and possibly die.

How the hell would it be easy? Wolverine’s a train and master of the mertial arts he would not just leave his next open. Also again wolverine nearly as fast as spiderman so no it would not be easy in any way. Also as I have proven about 3 times already it would not work.

It not that I concider it PIS, it is the fact that I have proven that it is in fact PIS.

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Go read the forum rules honestly. Also the “books” have wolverine healing from a skeleton on three occasions does that make it usable evidence hell no it PIS.

How would spiderman pull this off? Wolverine can easily dodge or cut the webbing as I have already proven.

How would spiderman do this when others such as hulk and ba’al who are far stronger have failed?

NONE at all I have better thing to do such as getting drunk

Ya like you would know lol. Actauly the most important thing in a fight is fighting skills, durability and reflex in that order.

Wolverine is not much slower then spiderman, he is nearly as fast actually. Yes wolverine is weaker, but his durability easily makes up for it not to mention his far superior fighting skills.

Old ones. A 60 year old who was a master of multiable fighting styles even if he was slower and weaker then me, would still kick my ass due to the fact he knows were to aim and how to hit and deflexed attacks.

The fact of the matter is spiderman does not see wolverine moves in slow motion as proven in there fights and in there feats. Wolverine is almost spiderman equal in speed and your BIAS opinion does not change that facts. Please prove spiderman is far faster I love to see this.

Ya except the fact wolverine sense have been proven to work in a similar way, were he knows his opponents attack before they make them as well.

Yes I said slight. You can disagree all you want, but feats after feat, don’t lie.

Not at all really. Spiderman is strong with out a doubt, how ever his agility and reflex are at best slightly better then that of Logan and that’s even debatable since there feats are comparable. Wolverine not only has a huge durability advantage, but he also has a huge healing advantage not to mention wolverine stamina also out classes spidermans.

Wait did you just say that though there feats are comparable to spiderman, that does not make them at spiderman level? That makes no sense what so ever. If wolverine and others feats are comparable to that of spidermans then it stands to reason that they are close to if not on par with that of spiderman. You just saying that spiderman is a higher level means nothing with out evidence to support such a claim.

Really? Enlighten me on what those advantages are a can?

Spiderman spider senses only tell you an attack is coming and were it may come from, but it does not tell you the type of attack it will be. Also as I have already stated wolverine sense can tell wolverine that an attack is coming and were it will come from as well. The vibration in the air tell him were the attack will be aim for and the smell and tensing of a person muscles tell him the attack is coming.

Wrong.

Spidey's durability is greater than Wolverine's. Wolverine, however, has the regeneration advantage. There are scans floating around here somewhere showing villians punching Spidey and severely hurting themselves trying to hurt him. Even Scorpion (who is 1.5 times stronger than Spidey) almost broke his hands punching Spider-Man. And this was back in the day, Spidey is much stronger and much more durable now. Hell, just think about all the times that Spidey has actually been hit by powerhouses. He hardly ever bleeds, even when hit by someone far stronger. Wolverine, however, bleeds all the damn time when hit, he just heals from it shortly after.

Basically, a knife would go through Wolverine easier than it would Spider-Man, if that helps you understand this at all.

And your theory on the Spider-Sense is incorrect as well. It shows him everything: Where the attack will potentially land if he doesn't move, where it's coming from even before it's thrown, and what type of attack it is. I'm at work right now, but I have scans proving his Spider-sense can do these things. If he didn't know what kind of attack was coming his way, how the hell would be able to dodge the things he does. If this weren't true, he'd mistake an 18-wheeler from behind him for a fist everytime and dodge accordingly to the fist, which would get him hit by the truck. Do you understand? Hopefully someone else will post the necessary spider-sense feats I speak of.

And, Spider-sense>>>>Wolverine's super-senses. Argue if you want, but precog is always better than being able to sense attacks via heightened senses. Wolverine reacts WITH the attack.

Originally posted by Shorty G
Lieing ?? He isn't lieing, he is saying the truth, and yes what you say is bullshit, Spidey has owned Logan many times but you dont listen to the facts because your a fanboy who needs to look at the facts.

::Cough:: Secret Wars ::Cough:: 😇

Originally posted by Metalmanx
::Cough:: Secret Wars ::Cough:: 😇

Originally posted by Broly92
Wow! I thought you were better than that Metalmanx nono

Haha, I thought it was obvious I was joking.

However, as much as others disagree, I do pretty much agree with the portrayal of Spidey vs. Wolverine in Secret Wars. He swatted him away. That's what should happen everytime. Wolvie isn't super-strong, super-fast, etc., etc. He weighs 300 lbs and should be swatted away as such the way Spidey did. I just don't understand why that doesn't make sense. But, whatever.

Spidey wins 7/10.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
::Cough:: Secret Wars ::Cough:: 😇

1.It's comics
2. Wolverine skill should be why
3.Why does that makes sense when he handles much stronger guys

Anyways I still say tie

Originally posted by Broly92
1.It's comics
2. Wolverine skill should be why
3.Why does that makes sense when he handles much stronger guys

Anyways I still say tie

Originally posted by Broly92
1.It's comics
2. Wolverine skill should be why
3.Why does that makes sense when he handles much stronger guys

Anyways I still say tie

No, it still makes perfect sense. Wolverine lunged at Spidey (the way he does in pretty much EVERY OTHER scenario) and Spidey swatted him away. Wolvie weighs 300 lbs. That must've been easy as hell for Spidey to do.

Wolvie being able to handle stronger opponents means nothing when a much stronger opponent can backhand you away.

Who's faster? Spidey

Who's stronger? Spidey

Who's smarter (smarts)? Spidey

Who has better senses? Spidey

Who has the long range advantage? Spidey

Who has more durabity? Spidey

Honestly, considering how hard and how fast he can hit Wolveirne, Logan would be KO'ed withen minutes ✅

Originally posted by Grimm22
Who's faster? Spidey

Who's stronger? Spidey

Who's smarter (smarts)? Spidey

Who has better senses? Spidey

Who has the long range advantage? Spidey

Who has more durabity? Spidey

Honestly, considering how hard and how fast he can hit Wolveirne, Logan would be KO'ed withen minutes ✅

I love when we agree, Grimm. 🤘

Just to put this to rest, Spider-man has hit people in the throat:

Spider-man can fight dirty (I think this was mentioned not sure though)

And here is an intresting point, if being more skilled in combat alows you to overpower Spider-man why can't this ninja who is far more skilled in combat than Spider-man stop Spidey from doing this??

And I agree Spider-man has the higher durability but its the fact that Wolverine heals so fast gives him the higher "durability", of course this isn't counting the adamantium skeleton, but that only makes his bones unbreakable not much of anything eles.

Oh and by the way, Spidey fought the Hulk in Amazing Spider-man 14 so Wolverine did not fight Hulk before Spidey, he also fought him for the Avengers, then again in London...and this was all before Wolverine was introduced.

And this thing about Spidey being scared of Wolverine because it was early in his carrier was bollocks, I mean he must have been Spider-man for nearly 5 or 6 years by that point,

1) Why would he be afraid of dieing now???

2)Why would he be afraid of guns???

3)Why would he be afraid of someone who has killed when he has fought countless others who have killed before.

Originally posted by Shorty G
What ?? Oh and Logan shouldn't be handling stronger guys because its not in his abilitie range, the writers do what stupid fanboys want, and everyone knows who i mean.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Who's faster? Spidey

Who's stronger? Spidey

Originally posted by Grimm22
Who's smarter (smarts)? Spidey

Originally posted by Grimm22
[B]Who has better senses? Spidey

Originally posted by Grimm22
Who has the long range advantage? Spidey

Originally posted by Grimm22
Who has more durabity? Spidey

Originally posted by Grimm22
Honestly, considering how hard and how fast he can hit Wolveirne, Logan would be KO'ed withen minutes ✅

Evidence is not in your favor.

Originally posted by Sparkz
Just to put this to rest, Spider-man has hit people in the throat:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7440/spideythroat1dh7.th.jpg

Originally posted by Sparkz
[B]Spider-man can fight dirty (I think this was mentioned not sure though)

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7434/spideydirtyuk4.th.jpg

Originally posted by Sparkz
And here is an intresting point, if being more skilled in combat alows you to overpower Spider-man why can't this ninja who is far more skilled in combat than Spider-man stop Spidey from doing this??

So what?

Originally posted by Sparkz
And I agree Spider-man has the higher durability but its the fact that Wolverine heals so fast gives him the higher "durability", of course this isn't counting the adamantium skeleton, but that only makes his bones unbreakable not much of anything eles.

I'll never see Spiderman do what Wolverine has: (see attatchment)

Originally posted by Sparkz
Oh and by the way, Spidey fought the Hulk in Amazing Spider-man 14 so Wolverine did not fight Hulk before Spidey, he also fought him for the Avengers, then again in London...and this was all before Wolverine was introduced.

Originally posted by Sparkz
And this thing about Spidey being scared of Wolverine because it was early in his carrier was bollocks,

Originally posted by Sparkz
I mean he must have been Spider-man for nearly 5 or 6 years by that point,

Originally posted by Sparkz
1) Why would he be afraid of dieing now???

Originally posted by Sparkz
2)Why would he be afraid of guns???

Originally posted by Sparkz
3)Why would he be afraid of someone who has killed when he has fought countless others who have killed before.

"someone who has killed and was much faster than he was expecting."

He guessed wrong about something, and then when shown that he was wrong about it he didn't have a whole lot of time to think... So he paniced. It happens...

Grimm's actually correct. In terms of durability, they are saying that Spiderman's body is more dense, therefore it takes more force for him to be initially injured. Which in that term makes him more resilient to damage, (this is not the same as healing, I don't think anyone would think that Logan has worse overall healing than Peter.)

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Grimm's actually correct. In terms of durability, they are saying that Spiderman's body is more dense, therefore it takes more force for him to be initially injured. Which in that term makes him more resilient to damage, (this is not the same as healing, I don't think anyone would think that Logan has worse overall healing than Peter.)

So in the long run Wolverine has the higher durability.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Durability is for the long haul not just the initial damage. Spider man is more damage resistant, but Wolverine can take more damage.

So in the long run Wolverine has the higher durability.

But it's no more reason to argue, I pretty much agree with you.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
In that aspect. But Peter is more durable than just the initial impact. It's kinda like comparing something with a high armor, versus something with a low armor and some regin. You could say either one was more durable and be right.

But it's no more reason to argue, I pretty much agree with you.

A better word for Wolverine may be resilient.