Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

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Originally posted by Sparkz

Thats Ben Reilly.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Haha, I thought it was obvious I was joking.

However, as much as others disagree, I do pretty much agree with the portrayal of Spidey vs. Wolverine in Secret Wars. He swatted him away. That's what should happen everytime. Wolvie isn't super-strong, super-fast, etc., etc. He weighs 300 lbs and should be swatted away as such the way Spidey did. I just don't understand why that doesn't make sense. But, whatever.

Spidey wins 7/10.

How come collosus doesn't go flying whenever a brick opunches him? I mean juggernaught should orbit the ****er. every. single. damned. time. 😛

Fact is things that are supposed to happen don't. Yet you get to selectively choose what you do and do not like?

And then you get on someone else's case when they do the same? And wghat's worse is you don't even go after their claims one at a time. You do what I did at the front and satirize their posts.

Originally posted by badabing
A better word for Wolverine may be resilient.

Agreed. That is a much better descriptive word for Wolverine's ability. Spider-Man is more durable, while Logan is more resilient.

Originally posted by Creshosk
How come collosus doesn't go flying whenever a brick opunches him? I mean juggernaught should orbit the ****er. every. single. damned. time. 😛

Fact is things that are supposed to happen don't. Yet you get to selectively choose what you do and do not like?

And then you get on someone else's case when they do the same? And wghat's worse is you don't even go after their claims one at a time. You do what I did at the front and satirize their posts.

Wait. Woah. What? 😕

You're right about the brick thing, I mean everyone should be sent to the next galaxy when they're hit by any powerhouse. But, after years and years of comics, for some reason or another, we've been influenced to the fact that two powerhouses cannot send the other into orbit (Superman, Thing, Colossus, Wonder Woman, Hulk, etc.). However, it has also been established, for the most part, that when one opponent severely outclasses the other in strength, the stronger's hits send the weaker flying. Perhaps not to the next zip code, but far enough to show who is indeed stronger.

Which is why Spidey swatting Wolverine away makes perfect sense.

Where is this satirizing of others' posts that I apparently do? Seriously, I don't follow.

Originally posted by Creshosk
How come collosus doesn't go flying whenever a brick opunches him? I mean juggernaught should orbit the ****er. every. single. damned. time. 😛

Fact is things that are supposed to happen don't. Yet you get to selectively choose what you do and do not like?

And then you get on someone else's case when they do the same? And wghat's worse is you don't even go after their claims one at a time. You do what I did at the front and satirize their posts.

Wrecker blasted Wolverine pretty far away with a nice pimp slap. Lets also not act like the big hitters don't send people flying away when they hit smaller folks.

Wolverine would get swatted away in this arena.

I think Spider-Man would win.

Originally posted by capt it up
No it in no way is a cheap excuse. The comics scans you showed were of PIS filled comics and they were PIS filled events. Ennis comics are known to be filled with PIS so why are you even using them as evidence? Wolverine in those scan was way below his norm and not to mention wolverine has taken swords to the throat and been fine, but yet a jabb with a hand to the throat effects him.

Not at all I only tell you how it is and Ennis writes PIS filled comic and that’s a fact. Those two issue were bull shit and not valid evidences.

Yes, it is PIS only because it works in favour for you, but when Wolverine burns alive with ONLY adamantium skeleton left and he heals from NOTHING it all makes sense to you. Sorry but I'm not going to count out facts from books only because you don't like them.

Originally posted by capt it up

Dam right it was your bad you baby eater lol
lol ok

Originally posted by capt it up

How about we go over a few things you left out. First of all this is wolverine pre being written as a mutant with a healing factor and a master of martial arts. This all took place before his first mini. Also I would like to add in the fact that you have clearly never read this issue, so I will tell you why that hurts your case so much. Wolverine mind had just been ****ed with to the extreme he had been killed in his mind over and over. He was crazy he was scared shitless of him self and that why scot attacked him to snapp wolverine out of it because that would be a fate worse then death for wolverine. Wolverine was far from peak ability at that time.
That's what I call excuses, Wolverine didn't seemed so scared or ****ed to me.

Originally posted by capt it up

Also you forgot to show the rest of the scan were scot ends the fight because he would have died if it continued.
And I wonder how did you came to conclusion that he would have died? He simply've been throwing ogan around with ease and Logan couldn't do anything to him and he ended fight not because he was going to die but because he didn't needed to fight.

Originally posted by capt it up

Sweet nice using pre written mutant wolverine. Nor did spidermans when he fought a lone cyber ninja as seen below
http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wn7rm9.jpg
Also wolverine takes on multiple cyber ninjas at once with out taking hits and spiderman has trouble with one? Two can play this game of using low end feats and PIS events.
And? So you this way proved that Wolverine is faster and stronger than WOlverine because he also fought cyberninjas but two of them?

Originally posted by capt it up

Not at all. Actually DP has never pwned wolverine. Wolverine always out fights DP ass. The only reason DP ever wins is due to a plot device such as wolverine having no healing factor.
Tell me, you read only one their fight? Badly working healing factor was only once and even then Wolverine couldn't stab Deadpool correctly, only his clothes and Deadpool gutted him even though he doesn't has as much skills and though he doesn't has speed comparable to Spider-man's that according to you Logan has.

Originally posted by capt it up

Again another false remark by you. Wolverine is the one who normally get the first cut in such as in the scan below
http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine088page04059kskt9.jpg
Yeah, cutting clothes you call cutting first? To survive that attack Deadpool didn't even needed healing factor. And again, Deadpool almost always has an upperhand.
Beats h2h and then shoots. "Spider-man like reflexes" haven't helped.
http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine154page088hs.jpg
I call that win.
http://img430.imageshack.us/my.php?image=99page148rr.jpg

Originally posted by capt it up

No you just happen to pick extremely bad examples. Lets see you picked two examples from ennis which were so filled with BS that one of them I think was later said to be a dream if I am not mistaken. Your other example was of thing Koing wolverine in a single hit which is not very accurate since evidence after evidence shows that people as strong and stronger then thing have failed to KO wolverine in a single hit. Even thing him self has later failed to KO wolverine even after hitting him as hard as he could
My example are not bad, they are canon comicbook stories that are just not covinient to you.
Originally posted by capt it up

I can’t correctly judge? Who the one who thinks spiderman can’t be touched? Oh that’s right that would be you. Who the one that thinks spiderman is far superior in speed agility and reflex even though characters such as wolverine, DD, capt have all comparable feats with spidermans. Yet you still have the nerve to try and tell me that spiderman is far superior in those areas even though spiderman has no feats that out does any of theses 3. So I ask again who the one who lets there limitless love of there character blind there judgment?
The answer again is - you. Spider-man IS far superior in speed agility and reflexes and dozens of scans I showed in the thread prove that but you don't like it and you can't accept it because you love Wolverine too much and arguing that Spider-man is FAR superior is as useless as arguing that Wolvering has better durability. See? I don't argue that even though Spider-man also took multiple hits from class 100 characters and I"ll say it again, dodging bullets or lasers dorsn't puts him on the same level because almost ALL comicbook characters do that but ut doesn't mean Batman is 40 times faster than average humans, neither it means that DD or WOlverine are. And I don't think that Spider-man can't be touched, he can. But I honestly believe that someone who can dodge thirty or forty lasers (that according to you move with the speed of light) with ease can dodge someone who is slower and less agile then him.

Originally posted by capt it up

When they are I will thank you very much.
Yeah yeah, heard that before.
Originally posted by capt it up

Go look under the forum rules. Look at blood lusted and no mention of PIS because you obviously need to read the rules of this forum because you clearly don’t know them.
Or you. No PIS is depending on what you concider PIS because whenever it shows Wolverine from bad side it is alway PIS to you.

Originally posted by capt it up

Also by your logic wolverine heal from a nuke in venom on the run is usable evidence? Or how about Logan healing from burning burned to a skeleton in wolverine civil war?
Well, i don't use SPider-man beating firelord thing, so don't make things up, you compare not comparable things. There are things that are clearly PIS and things that are PIS only because someone wants them to be so andas for civil war, you think that it is fine yourself and it is not PIS for you, if you forgot I can quote you from other thread.
Originally posted by capt it up

Or how about squirl girl beating thanos? Does that mean squirl girl>thanos?
But Wolverine > Hulk is fine to you?

Originally posted by capt it up

Oh you mean those ennis issues. The ones that were full of PIS and plot devices?
simply because you want them to be.
Originally posted by capt it up

You mean the one were in that same issue wolveriner drank acid and spiderman got tricked by fake bombs?
No but SPider-man that is affraid of Wolverine and moves slower than usually and affraids of death makes sense to you but this doesn't?
Originally posted by capt it up

Oh and by the way wolverine was never Koed in either scans so your argument is pretty mute.
But was taken down, and that is just one example, there are planty ways for Spidey to take down Wolverine and I listed them above.

Originally posted by capt it up

How am I whining, because I am proving to you that your scans are PIS?
You are not proving anything, you are only compaining that to you they are PIS but it doesn't changes anything for this fight.
Originally posted by capt it up

Cheap excuses? I am telling you how it is and you call it a cheap excuses. I am sorry, but no ones making excuses the fact is wolverine was not written with a healing factor or as a mutant during that time.
yeah or was "****ed up", or "bad writing" (only because you didn't liked that), what's next? Wolverine cought cold by that time?
Originally posted by capt it up

Yes I recall the issue, but I do not recall the number or titles could you give it to me.
As I recall it was twice
I don't have the issue at the moment, but he hit him multiple times with both hands at the same time.

Originally posted by capt it up

Good because if you were you be terribly foolish.
Oh thank you! Well I'm not saying that he is. Now I know I'm not foolish, thank you again.

Originally posted by capt it up

Were the hell did you get all this from. When did I ever say spiderman was to kind to aim for the throat? This is what I said
“When has spiderman ever aimed for the throat in a fight? Can you even show one example of spiderman punching some one in the throat?”

Were the hell do you get me saying spiderman is to kind to punch some one in the throat from what I said? I think you had no prove that Spiderman has ever hit some one in the throat so you decided to try and weave around the argument. The fact of the matter is spiderman has never hit some one in the throat, I how ever am not saying he would not, but it would never be a game plain of his because he has never done it before so he won’t be thinking to trying it.

I don't have to weave anything because that generally was your argument. I gave you scan of Wolverine getting beaten by hit in the throat and said SPider-man would do the same but with 50 times harder hit. You only showed that you don't know the rules of this forum, i don't need scans of SPider-man hitting in the throat to prove that he'd do that in the fight because by the rules of forum he'd whatever he could to take him down, so what makes you think he wont try hitting in the throat? That's what my "kind" argument was about, Spider-man never hits in the throat in the books because he doesn't want to kill anyone, but it doesn't mean he won't try that usefull attack on the forum vs thread.

Originally posted by capt it up

Also what makes you think he will be able to hit it?
SImply because Spider-man is much faster and more agile and has much better reflexes, like it or not.

Originally posted by capt it up

Also if he tried to hit it he leave him self open and would die.
Based on what? On your scenario of the fight? He'd hit him and end the fight and even if he for some reason misses he'll simply dodge anything Wolverine throws in respone because his spider sense would worn him of the attack and he'd see this attack coming 40 times slower than you or me because of his reflexes. Makes sense that he can dodge Wolverine with ease, don't you think.

Originally posted by capt it up

Also what makes you think it would ever work?
And what do you think I was trying to prove to you through my posts?
Originally posted by capt it up

Wolverine has taken shots from far strong people then spiderman to the head which also causes neck damage and wolverine has been fine what makes you think a punch to the throat from spiderman would do any thing?
Because it is not about bones of neck damage, since Logan has adamantium skeleton, this is about breath and hurting throat itself, and his skeleton wont help him here.

Originally posted by capt it up

When have I screamed at all let a lone PIS? I have merely stated what was PIS and what was not.
Yes, and everythin that involves Wolverine's defeat was PIS or bad writing according to you.

Originally posted by capt it up

If it was written with current Spiderman then no that would not be well written, but the fact is that was written back during classic Spiderman days when he was still in experiences. Why would spiderman not have been scared? Who had spiderman fought that was as deadly as wolverine? Spiderman had just saw his friend murder earlier that day, not to mention he had watch wolverine murder countless people. Spiderman had seen more killing that day then he ever seen in his live up till that point so of course he was scared.
And Spider-man was affraid to be killed in that book, makes sense to you that someone who dodges multiple machine guns at close range and laughing is affraid to be killed?
Originally posted by capt it up

Spiderman had also never met some one who moved almost on par with him
And he doesn't moves on pair with him and by the way, as you yourself said Spider-man was not that experienced by that time AND he was moving SLOW and STILL WOlverine couldn't hit him untill SPider-man allowed him. How the hell is he almost as fast then? And wha makes you think that Lizard for example is not as fast as Wolverine? Because that time Spider-man already faced Lizard and also said that Lizard is faster and stronger than him, but it doesn't mean he is, neither it means that Wolverine is only because Spider-man said that.
Originally posted by capt it up

and wolverine makes almost ever one scared hell he had warpath scared shitless of him before.
And not Carnage nor Hulk ever made Spider-man move slow, and if you ask me Carnage is MUCH scarier than Logan.

Originally posted by capt it up

The fact is both those ennis storys were PIS, so yes you are and you need to know you are. I can prove both of them were since wolverine had taken swords to the throat and been fine how the hell do you explain him being so hurt from a jab? You have no reason you just have no better argument so you cling to PIS events.

I listed like 5 ways to kill Wolverine and it is just ONE of them and you only call it PIS because you want it to be and you CAN'T prove that it is, and I on other hand can prove that healing from only adamantium skeleton is PIS that according to you is just fine writing.

Originally posted by capt it up
So your point? PIS stories are still canon. Example squirl girl beating thanos was cannon. Also wolverine surviving a nuke was cannon. Wolverine surviving nitro was canon. So what’s your point in saying it canon?
Funny that now you call that nitro thing PIS but on the comicbooks forum you was arguing that it is just fine, want me to quote you? Now you just controdict yourself. PIS stories are not canon but it depends on what you call PIS and what not, squirelgirl defeating Thanos is PIS, Spider-man beating Firelord is PIS, Wolverine being defeated isn't.

Originally posted by capt it up

You are clinging to ennis comics because the fact is that your only argument because you have nuthing else.
Try looking few pages back and look for the list of ways to beat Wolverine, i don't care much about this issues because I have many arguments, not "nothing else", it's just funny how everytime WOlverine gets beaten people try to justify it.

Originally posted by capt it up

When have I ever once said this line? Your quoting some thing as if I said it, but the fact is I did not. I am one of the people is think the hand books are good to and extent. The hand books give you basic evidence, though some times they tend to list the character weaker then they are in term of powers how ever they can still be use as evidence to an extent unless comic evidence proves other wises repeatedly.
Yes and when it's something that's convinient to you it is always fine even though comicbooks prove otherwise, but when you don't like it, it's a different story. Makes a lot of sense.
Originally posted by capt it up

Not at all and what the hell is a “pick” human? I think you mean peak human.

Yes, that's what i meant, sorry.
Originally posted by capt it up

Any ways you are sadly mistaken one of the leading sources that say wolverine is in fact superhuman is the hand books and other marvel guides such as
Marvel hand book 2002-2003 master edition
Marvel knights encyclopedia 2003
So according to them Wolverine is class 4? Post it please if you can,i'm just curious.

Originally posted by capt it up

That was one single event and it was PIS, by a PIS writer. Here I will prove just why it was PIS. In (x-men # 72 ) marrow stabs a bone dagger straight through wolverine throat and all it manage to do was hurt Logan and send him into a rage were he almost kill marrow until cannonball saves her.
Last time I check bone dagger to the throat>>>>>>>>jab.
Next example is in is in ( wolverine # 30 agent of shield part 5) were wolverine takes a sword straight through the throat from gorgon into the wall and the only thing it manage to do was hold wolverine there because wolverine did not have the leverage to pull it out. Wolverine was not only talking, but was trying to rip the sword out and was far from out of the fight.
Last time a checked sword through the throat>>>>>>>>>>>>jab.
Next example is from ( wolverine 31) wolverine gets a sword through the throat and keeps on fighting even with two people holding his arms and a third holding the sword that is still inside of wolverine throat.
Sword in throat>>>>>>>>>>>>jab.
Next example from ( wolverine # 184) 5 bullets go through wolverine throat and he does not even flinch.
Last time I checked bullets through the throat>>>>>jab.
So please enlighten me how that is not PIS when wolverine has repeatedly taken swords and bullets through the throat and kept on fight, yet he could not take a jab. That scan you showed is PIS and all the prove points to hit. Stop cling to your sad sad argument.
And sticking sword THROUGH adamantium skeleton is NOT PIS, right? Want to know what is PIS writing to me? Wolverine being KOed isn't a PIS writing to me. Wolverine healing from adamantium skeleton only IS PIS for me, Wolverine surviving a nuke IS PIS for me. That's a differance between us. You like following rules of the forum only when it's handy to you and when not, you try to justify PIS writing. I read that one thread and have question for you, you really believe that WOlverine very well might be immortal??
Originally posted by capt it up

Again a nuther sad argument. Both these scans below would be far more pain full then being hit in the balls and yet wolverine is fine
Wolverine on firer which is so much worse then getting hit in the balls with a bat it not even funny.
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mcp83pg5edited2jrxd2.jpg

Wolverine with 100s of bullets in him which again is way more pain full the getting hit in the balls with a bat.
http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5599de7bxg3.jpg

Wolverine getting shot with many many bullets again which is far more painfull then getting hit in the balls
http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loganib5.jpg

This is not about pain only, when he's shot in the head bullets hit adamantuim skeleton and do not cause much damage, but there is no adamantium in his balls I believe so he takes damage that he can't heal instantly. That's why it took him down for some time and would take him down after class 15 kick, makes sense.

Originally posted by capt it up

seriously are you going to keep using this terrible examples as evidences? First of wolverine took two punches then the slap. Also sweet example, using a pre written healing factor and mutant wolverine. How many times you going to try and sue this example as standard evidence when wolverine did not even have a healing factor. Also the evidence is again against you, seeing how wolverine has repeatedly taken far more this with out being KO.
Such as when Sas attacked wolverine and as you can see wolverine is far from KOed
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cheapshotke4.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=morecheapnessvy3.jpg

Also when hulk went rip on wolverine as you can, see Logan is again far from out of the fight.
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smashfk5.jpg

Theses are just two examples from many.

And that doesn't mean it's bad writing, just accept it happened in canon normally written story and your hatred to the writer ain't gonna change this. Atleast damaged balls make MUCH more sense than healing from NOTHING that according to you was well written story.

Were does it ever show this? Can you prove this because I would love to see that.[/B][/QUOTE] You missunderstood me. My point is not that Deadpool is faster but that even though Wolverine has skills and speed that according to you is a match for Spider's 🙄 Deadool still has an upperhand in their fights.

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Originally posted by capt it up

What excuses? I have been proving to you that the scans you were using are PIS. That’s not an excuses that is fact.
That is what you don't like and that's why don't accept.
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Originally posted by capt it up

Really? Were did you come up with this conculsion? Wolverine can be KOed, but you have yet to show valid proof of a street leveler doing it.
If you really think that he is might be immortal then what on earth would prove to you that he can be KOed...
Originally posted by capt it up

You keep saying you know this you know that yet you have no valid proof what so ever. Wolverine can match ever one of Spiderman’s speed feats and yet you still say you know Spiderman is far faster. How do you come up with this crap how do you know some thing when you have no proof of it?
And posting scans that WOlverine could never match isn't a proof to you? You like saying he is a match in and in that even though books that you yourself call welwritten prove otherwise.
Show me Wolverine doing this (even before the upgrade and being absolutly exosted)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6834323
And this.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6634101
And especially this.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6506479
You can't prove that WOlverine is a match. Your only explanation is that he dodges bullets or lasers sometimes and that's what almost all books characters do and it doesn't puts them on the same level as Spider-man.
The thruth is you don't have comparable feats to dodging bullet that is 1 feet away or catching bullet that proves that Spider='s reflexes and speed are far greater than Logan's.

Originally posted by capt it up

It makes perfect sense actually?
Arguments above make sense.
Originally posted by capt it up

Did hulk ever fight Spiderman back then? As I recall didn’t wolverine fight Spiderman before hulk ever did. Also who said spiderman was moving slow? Spidemrna said I feel like im moving slow in no way does that mean he is moving slow. Spiderman was scared and had to that point never faced off such a against such a dangerous opponent who could move almost as fast as him so of course he thought he was moving slow because wolverine was keeping up with him and he was not sue to that

You must've been reading different book, he was literally moving SLOW
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4082252
and he wasn't experienced and Wolverine still couldn't hit him untill Spider-man allowed.

Originally posted by capt it up

Ya and carnage never fought spiderman back then. After that fight spiderman had a huge story arc because of all that happened and his character change because of the fact he killed some one. The spiderman that fought carnage was way more experienced then the one who fought wolverine back
But he did fought Lizard by that time and he also didn't made him move slow and huge Lizard is much more scarier than man with adamantium claws. But it still makes sense to you.

Originally posted by capt it up

Yes but then again he never saw them kill a whole bunch of people in front of his eye, nor do those guys keep up with him in speed.
Nor Wolverine can keep up with him in speed and I already proved that. But how do you explain Lizard for example? Another excuses? Why huge monster didn't made him move slow but WOlverine did. But don't say killing people was the reason because SPider-man wasn't even thinking about by then.

Originally posted by capt it up

Nice example except you for got one key thing, Spiderman did not get a hit in until wolverine allowed Spiderman to hit him.
Were you sleeping and reading at the same time? Actually Spider-man was moving slow and WOlverine still couldn't hit him untill Spider-man allowed, and spider-man started pounding on Wolverine as fast as he realized that he is being passive.
Originally posted by capt it up

Again Spiderman was not moving slowly, he only felt like he was moving slowly because wolverine was keeping up with him and Spiderman was scared
He literally was moving slowly, like it or not and even then Logan couldn't catch up with him or hit him. And being scared makes no sense as i said and proved above.

Originally posted by capt it up

How can you say this when wolverine ahs hit Spiderman and has comparable feats in theses areas.

How about you find better arguments then PIS valid comics and events. Both those scans are PIS comic and events so there not valid on the forum so why are you still trying to use them as evidence.

Because according to the rules of this forum we can't use PIS, but PIS is usually something that is obviously is and not something you want to be. You want better arguments? Ok forget about Enis books, because it ain't getting us anywhere. You'll keep complaining that it's PIS because you only don't like it.

Ways to beat Wolverine.
Kicking in balls was # 1) but you don't like so I ain't gonna use it.
1)Keeping beating him non stop would take him down sooner or later and you yourself admitted he can be KOed and dozens of class 15 punches are gonna do it.
2)Webbing him to the groung and ripping of his skeleton would do it to and to rip skeleton from the body for someone who can lift a train car is not a big deal.
3)Webbing him such way that he wont be able to rech to the web with his claws like in "X" position and webbing his face so he'd die because he wont' be able to breath.
Here are three ways. I gave you ways and i gave you proofs that SPider-man would be able to do all that since he is far faster (like it or not) and has better reflexes and spider sense and he is MUCH stronger. And only Wolverine advantages (durabiltiy and skills) are not gonna help him against faster and stronger opponent if Spider-man tries to do the ways I listed above, because Spider-man is clever enough not to make this a long fight and fast enough to dodge Wolverine with ease and dodging like 30 lasers at once prove that.
So here I made my points pretty clear, and explained and PROVED how and why Spider-man is not getting stabbed and also how is he going to take Wolverine down.

Originally posted by capt it up

you let your love to the character blind you
Sorry, but that's what you do. I gave simple and clear explanation of everything but you wont accept anything because it involves defeat of your favourite character, I don't blame you for that. You don't wanna accept my explanations and proofs, fine. But I made myself cleare and proved everything. Let everyone judge.

Good post

Sam Z, if I had a bowing smiley, I'd use it here.

Kudos, brother.

Lets also not forget the fact Spiderman can web Wolverine's mouth like Spiderman did to the Lizard and I posted the picture back ages ago.

nvm this message

Originally posted by Sam Z
But he did fought Lizard by that time and he also didn't made him move slow and huge Lizard is much more scarier than man with adamantium claws. But it still makes sense to you.

Nor Wolverine can keep up with him in speed and I already proved that. But how do you explain Lizard for example? Another excuses? Why huge monster didn't made him move slow but WOlverine did. But don't say killing people was the reason because SPider-man wasn't even thinking about by then.

Were you sleeping and reading at the same time? Actually Spider-man was moving slow and WOlverine still couldn't hit him untill Spider-man allowed, and spider-man started pounding on Wolverine as fast as he realized that he is being passive.
He literally was moving slowly, like it or not and even then Logan couldn't catch up with him or hit him. And being scared makes no sense as i said and proved above.

Because according to the rules of this forum we can't use PIS, but PIS is usually something that is obviously is and not something you want to be. You want better arguments? Ok forget about Enis books, because it ain't getting us anywhere. You'll keep complaining that it's PIS because you only don't like it.

Ways to beat Wolverine.
Kicking in balls was # 1) but you don't like so I ain't gonna use it.
1)Keeping beating him non stop would take him down sooner or later and you yourself admitted he can be KOed and dozens of class 15 punches are gonna do it.
2)Webbing him to the groung and ripping of his skeleton would do it to and to rip skeleton from the body for someone who can lift a train car is not a big deal.
3)Webbing him such way that he wont be able to rech to the web with his claws like in "X" position and webbing his face so he'd die because he wont' be able to breath.
Here are three ways. I gave you ways and i gave you proofs that SPider-man would be able to do all that since he is far faster (like it or not) and has better reflexes and spider sense and he is MUCH stronger. And only Wolverine advantages (durabiltiy and skills) are not gonna help him against faster and stronger opponent if Spider-man tries to do the ways I listed above, because Spider-man is clever enough not to make this a long fight and fast enough to dodge Wolverine with ease and dodging like 30 lasers at once prove that.
So here I made my points pretty clear, and explained and PROVED how and why Spider-man is not getting stabbed and also how is he going to take Wolverine down.
Sorry, but that's what you do. I gave simple and clear explanation of everything but you wont accept anything because it involves defeat of your favourite character, I don't blame you for that. You don't wanna accept my explanations and proofs, fine. But I made myself cleare and proved everything. Let everyone judge.

Dude there are sum problems with wat u just said...Wolverine is not just going to stand there and let Spider-man just beat on him or web him up. First of all Wolverine is a better fighter than Spider-man so if Spider-man tries to go H2H wit Wolverine hes going to end up getting cut, and probably in a vital area. Second of all Wolverine is not just going to be a sitting target for Spider-man just to web up....Wolverine has dodged bullets b4, he shuldnt have truble wit Spidey's webs. And last of all Wolverine has beaten Spidey b4 and he culd do it again.

Sam your my new best friend I hope I can be yours LOL

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
Dude there are sum problems with wat u just said...Wolverine is not just going to stand there and let Spider-man just beat on him or web him up. First of all Wolverine is a better fighter than Spider-man so if Spider-man tries to go H2H wit Wolverine hes going to end up getting cut, and probably in a vital area. Second of all Wolverine is not just going to be a sitting target for Spider-man just to web up....Wolverine has dodged bullets b4, he shuldnt have truble wit Spidey's webs. And last of all Wolverine has beaten Spidey b4 and he culd do it again.
When has he ever beat him, they have stalemated while Peter was shitting himself like hes never shited himself before, but he isn't defeated, where as Spidey has owned Logan many times like webbing him up completely in the alley that I saw once and punching him threw a window onto a taxi.

I'm glad u asked that question...I dont know how many times I've posted this but every time I do its always better than the last. And Spidey has not owned Logan...give me proof.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e168/Kolb90/Wolverine/DeadSpidey.jpg

I think the bottom right one happened after Spidey webbed up Wolverine in an alley

Originally posted by Wolverine2006
I'm glad u asked that question...I dont know how many times I've posted this but every time I do its always better than the last. And Spidey has not owned Logan...give me proof.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e168/Kolb90/Wolverine/DeadSpidey.jpg

Posting hits and what if stuff [I think] is quite pathetic to be honest, I will go looking for stuff then and show you.