Originally posted by Kang16
I think Peter is the smarter fighter. He dodges avoids and plans his attacks. Logan charges in on the other hand.Logan is going down. He doesn't use his experience.
Finally, thank-you. Wolverines experience is h2h combat and military experience. I am not sure his military experience is going to help him here but his h2h will only work if Spiderman decides to be stupid and challenge him. Spidey will obvously keep away
Originally posted by python99
Wolverine uses the same lundging attack in most of his fights he hardly ends up using his H2H skills. People often say that Wolverine is a smarter fighter than Spiderman. Does Wolverine ever analize the situation before he engages in a fight? Nope, He just lunges at his opponent which leaves him vulnerable at all angles. Real smart for a guy who has years of H2H training 🙄 In a battle like this Spiderman's spider sense detects Wolverines lundge thus giving him an opportunity for the advantage.
oh ya your wolverine knowledge is very limited
Originally posted by Kang16not true logan's experiance pretty much speaks for itself even when he is in a beserker state because he is so wel trained his body acts instintively to the way it was trained
No one is questioning his knowledge. Its the fact that he doesn't use his knowledge, where as Spidey does.
Originally posted by capt it up
spiderman fighting style is the worst style possable for him. going air born is completely dumb seeing as how in mid air he a sitting target.oh ya your wolverine knowledge is very limited
The point I am trying to make is that Wolverine hardly uses his hand to hand combat and when he does who is he normally facing Samurai's, Ninjas. The scan you show me shows nothing. You got Wolverine hooked up to a computer and another guy talking about his brainwave patterns. Are you reading things right 😕 I said Spiderman would be stupid to challenge Wolverine in a H2h fight. I also missed the part where I said that Wolverine cant fight. Please read before you post. I will say it again, we all know Wolverine has great combatent skills Spidey cant compare, I can live with that. What I am stating is that Wolverine uses, as he does so often the same lundging attack which leaves him very vulnerable in the air considering that once he is in the air he cant move side to side like spidey which in fact makes him more vulnerable. Again Wolverne has great tactical skills and his quick thinking is a result of h2h combat. Now knowing that spiderman fights from a distance wolverines h2h fighting is a non factor his lunge attack is what he is going to use against spidey. What good is a lunge attack when your enemy knows you are going to do it befor you even flinch.
Wolverine is not a smart when his fighting does not result in h2h combat.
With the amount of experience Wolvie has, has he not been taught not to leave yourself open for an easy attack ie. lunge. Spidey is going to figure what to do after Wolverine tries a lunge again.
Originally posted by python99
The point I am trying to make is that Wolverine hardly uses his hand to hand combat and when he does who is he normally facing Samurai's, Ninjas. The scan you show me shows nothing. You got Wolverine hooked up to a computer and another guy talking about his brainwave patterns. Are you reading things right 😕 I said Spiderman would be stupid to challenge Wolverine in a H2h fight. I also missed the part where I said that Wolverine cant fight. Please read before you post. I will say it again, we all know Wolverine has great combatent skills Spidey cant compare, I can live with that. What I am stating is that Wolverine uses, as he does so often the same lundging attack which leaves him very vulnerable in the air considering that once he is in the air he cant move side to side like spidey which in fact makes him more vulnerable. Again Wolverne has great tactical skills and his quick thinking is a result of h2h combat. Now knowing that spiderman fights from a distance wolverines h2h fighting is a non factor his lunge attack is what he is going to use against spidey. What good is a lunge attack when your enemy knows you are going to do it befor you even flinch.
Wolverine is not a smart when his fighting does not result in h2h combat.
With the amount of experience Wolvie has, has he not been taught not to leave yourself open for an easy attack ie. lunge. Spidey is going to figure what to do after Wolverine tries a lunge again.
first off logan only lunges at people who are of no threat of a KO or of a ability that can take him out such as webbing. Have you not realized this that logan has never once lunge at spiderman while spiderman on the other hand tends to jump in the air a lot. Spiderman the one who will go air born not logan. Please name one fight in which logans lunges are spiderman ecpt for the secret war.
Originally posted by capt it uplogan does lunge a lot at just about everyone for example danger
first off logan only lunges at people who are of no threat of a KO or of a ability that can take him out such as webbing. Have you not realized this that logan has never once lunge at spiderman while spiderman on the other hand tends to jump in the air a lot. Spiderman the one who will go air born not logan. Please name one fight in which logans lunges are spiderman ecpt for the secret war.
Originally posted by lando005
logan does lunge a lot at just about everyone for example danger
danger was a shitt example it was written by a guy who as admitted he has no idea how to writt wolverine
Originally posted by lando005
the thing is that one good hit wont come as easy as your thinking
besides.. wolverine's already landed that easy hit... on 3 or 4 occasions now.. ...
Originally posted by lando005more or less true.... he'll have more of an option to take flight to a wall.. but the fact is that wolverine has the tools to bring a wall down...
it wont be an outright win for either side but again spiderman has a few more angles of approch than wolverine unless this fight is in a flat opern area enviroment the advantage is to spiderman
Originally posted by lando005taskmaster did... black panther did. white ninja did...
he cant cope with wolverin in h2h skill for very long he knows this already and if wolverine is on th charge the best thing to do is to put some distance between them clim up a wall whatever also wolverin may be fast enough to cut away some incomeing webbing but not all of it
in terms of dodging the stuff... balck cat's done it, cap's done it, tm again.. white ninja again.... spidey's only prayer is taking to a wall that won't come crashing down if wolverine tears it up... other than that, there's too great a chance for wolverine to close the gap and reporduce what happened in mk spidey 12.
Originally posted by lando005using webbing leaves spidey momentarily open to attack as well...
even with the webshooters spiderman could adjust the thickness and spread of the web a wide and thick enough web will leave him tangled even if he cuts away at it if eaven for a few moments and depending on how tangeled he is that would leave him open to attack
Originally posted by lando005I'm not debating whether he can use them well or not.. they just won't be very effective against wolverine... his speed.. is a SLIGHT factor, and it's subject to time and fatigue... his strength is nearly a non factor altogether though...
spider-man can make full utilization of his speed and strenght
Originally posted by lando005so can wolverine.. that' doesn't help spidey unless he can do it to a point that leaves wolverine defensless... spiderman's not faster than speed demon so it ain't happening.. period...
on just about any opponet i havent seen him display a lack of such unless there was a reason for it also htere are a few other options he's been known to change up the pace on the fly
Originally posted by lando005against weakened, distracted or stupid opponents.. he hasn't done this to good fighters though... why?
again lest say he's using webbing on logan and wolverine is cutting it away he can execute several manovers in a moment and switch to impact webbing or web balls without wolverine takeing notice he has done this before
again.. there's too much risk of reproducing mk knights 12 with that strategy...
Originally posted by lando005impact webbing is a scarlet spider gimmick hence moot....
or a combo of both if he is insnared in the impact webbing he is not getting out the thing
Originally posted by lando005umm well he can punch kick or headbutt spiderman into submission....
is all else aside logan has no way of beating spiderman without use of his claws
wolverine's hurt hulk with a head but
knoked him over with a jump kick
put warpath on the recieving end of a h2h ass kicking.
knocked out the 70 ton boasting roughouse
hell he's even knocked spiderman away with a back fist, kicked the wind out of him, and knocked him out via groin shot.. 😬
Originally posted by lando005
and due to the position of his claws on his body he is limited to a numer of ways he could attack the mass of which is a frontal attack that's why i say versitility wise wolverine is outclassed when it's all said and done he's still very limited on his options of attack
Originally posted by jinzin
he was the dominating force because wolverine allowed it... wolverine prepping himself for spiderman's incoming blows.. "here it comes" he has his guard up.. then he drops it after than statement and spiderman whacks away to no avail.. the reason why it's a loss is because regardless of everything else, spiderman ADMITTED he gave his all, he ADMITTED there was only one way left to bring logan down.. he WAS WRONG in that the way he tought up WOULD NOT HAVE WORKED... he could have tried to snap wolverine's neck but it simply would not have done anything... sabretooth tried the same stunt.. wolverine still fought back.... spiderman was in a losing position, wolverine wasn't. he thought he could kill wolverine, he couldn't.. it's that simple.
He's the dominating force because Wolverine allowed it? Thats not an assumption?! Lol. of course Wolverine was prepping for Spider-Man's blows, he couldn't dodge them so didn't have much choice in the matter. Again with the neck breaking won't work. Wolverine ADMITTED that Spider-Man could take him down that way. This isn't an open-ended statement all characters make like "Your good", or "He can take me". No, it was clearly stated yet you still deny it. If he thought he could kill Wolverine and Wolverine thought he could kill Wolverine then why is this still an issue?
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm not debating that... now you're confusing yourself....
look, HF is one of wolverine's powers.. if he wins a fight or gains an advantage due to HF, the advantage still counts...
I'm not even sure what this point is for. You said at the end of the fight of the fight Wolverine got up before Spider-Man and you tried to spin it to say that somehow it equates to Wolverine having the advantage and thus win in the fight. My point is of course he'll get up. He'll get up from practically anything. That doesn't mean he'll beat everything though
Originally posted by jinzin
that's not an assumption on my part that's stating what happened and what was said directly from the book.. 😐yes.. that IS what he was waiting on, think rationally here.. if you have to wait for an hour or so to get out of that position or impale your own head to get out, waiting's no biggie... if after some time has passed and you realize your initial plan wasn't going to work time to switch to plan B... what i've stated are facts.. wolverine attributed NONE of his escape to the weakening of webbing.... he got out when he tried at his own expense end of story...
Aren't you the same guy who says Wolverine doesn't have to dodge bullets cause Wolverine will just heal from any damage they do to him? Isn't it the same scenario here? If he can heal from whatever injuries he inflicts on himself why not just do it from the get-go, free yourself and go find Spider-Man. IIRC time was a necessity in this situation, why waste it if you don't have?
k, what are you now? five?
Originally posted by jinzin
I'd have to START making LIKE assumptions to stop first.. 🙄
Whats the "LIKE" for? Taking facts from the books and using them to ASSUME results is what you've been doing all this time. If you fail to see that then your more far gone than I realized
Originally posted by jinzin
it has nothing to do with a "fair fight" i simply stated what happened.. it's no more a fair fight than the webbing assault was in MTU1, but it is however what happened.. spiderman got punked.... look at my original post that you responded to... I mentioned nothing of fair fights, I simply stated what happened.. 😐
Of course it has to do with a fair fight. Thats what this very very very long thread is about. You can't use these examples to justify a win in a fair fight because none of your examples are fair.
Originally posted by jinzin
but you DO prepare yourself to get hit, and prepare yourself for mistakes to happen, if you don't you're just nieve.
But you don't expect the other person to go for a KO
Originally posted by jinzin
sure there is...
"tag your it"
"all upset over a little scratch"
"it was an accident"there's absolutely nothing to suggest that wolverine was taking that all that seriously other than the fact that spiderman got hit.. which is within wolverine's capacity to do.... this is what we've been saying forever now.. wolverine's got the skills, he's got the enhancements, and he's got the experience to hit spiderman... he just also happens to have some weaponry that can end a fight in one hit..
Logan was trying to downplay what he did. Classic Logan. I don't think there was malicious intent in his blow but he wasn't playing around. Wolverine does have skills, he is enhanced and he's experienced. All that amounts to is that he's able to hit a Spidey who isn't sparring with him. Bravo
Originally posted by jinzin
he probably was. logan likes to fight.
That he does
Originally posted by jinzin
like captain america? or daredevil? or punisher? or jason macendale? or king pin? or vulture? or doc doom? or fancy dan? or ox? or man mountain marko? or hammer head? or slyde? or sabretooth? or black cat? or steel dragon? or balck panther? or shang chi? or iron fist? or taskmaster? or the white ninja? or shocker? or john jamison? or eddie brock? or etc etc etc....it's this simple.. upclose.. spiderman's in over his head.. hell the guy's admitted it.
Lets say we ignore the fact that most of these took place before he got upgrades, fact is this Spider-Man is NOT holding back. Something I don't think either of those guys have had the luxury of seeing
Originally posted by capt it up
first off logan only lunges at people who are of no threat of a KO or of a ability that can take him out such as webbing. Have you not realized this that logan has never once lunge at spiderman while spiderman on the other hand tends to jump in the air a lot. Spiderman the one who will go air born not logan. Please name one fight in which logans lunges are spiderman ecpt for the secret war.
When Logan tried to attack Spidey from behind when Spidey took on the X-men and got swatted away like a fly. Oh and the graveyard fight.