Originally posted by capt it up
I own every issue your talken about hell I know about 100 times more about spiderman then you. first off attacking some one who not ready to fight and is laughing means nothing it proves nothing logan has done the same thing to spiderman ecpt im not going to sink that low to using a none fight as evidence since it really proves nothing.
Besides with all your knowledge you say you posses you still havent explained how spidey was able to jump the xmen like that
Originally posted by capt it up
same thing could be said for spiderman fans you just have a bias as do I , but unlike you I know I do
I may have a bias, but I'm not going to debate on a subject unfairly. Bias needs to be left at the door. I thought that was one of the rules of this forum. 😐
Take Spider-Man's best feats as compared to Wolverines and this debate ends very, very fast. You can't take Wolverine taking on a top-tier and Spidey getting knocked over by an old lady and call it a fair debate. Also, you need to expand on what happens in fights. If you just take a few scans and not read the dialogue and context, what then?
Here's an example:
Take Hulk V2 #454. If you showed the panel of Hulk grasping his throat in fear that his throat had been cut, but dont' show the panels afterward, what the crap is that? About three panels later Wolverine is a punching bag again.
Also, don't use Hulk as a cornerstone for this debate, because it doesn't work. Wolverine is Hulk's adamantium laced punching bag. He has a very hard time hitting Spider-Man, and Spidey's taken about ten times worse hits from Hulk, Thor, Thanos, and so forth.
Originally posted by fsufan89\
Heres how it goes:WOlverine ealks up to spiderman, spiderman cracks joke about how hairy he is. Logan throws punch, Pete ducks punch, then punches logan in face. Wolverine falls to the ground. Lights out!!!!!!!!!!
except that spiderman's shown on several occasions that his punches do relatively NOTHING to wolverine but make him smile....
so much for that pathetic excuse for an argument.
Originally posted by fsufan89
Spiderman has fought way harder charcters and won Ex : Firelord.Alsospidermans jumped the whole xmen before. Making Logan look stupid along with nightcrawler. Wolverine would never be able to touch spidey if he was going all out. He can dodge dock ocks arms ccoming in a over 60 miles an hour
secret wars was nothing more than the x-men trying to contain spidey, not fight him.... even then, so what? spidey hit wolverine and wolverine got right back up by the next panal they showed him in... he wasn't effected by the punch.. so he got hit.. big deal.
and spiderman gets handled in most of his fights with ock, hell even lady ock was tossing TWO spidermen around.. so much for that theory.. in any case, wolverine has put his claws through the barrel of a gun after the trigger was pulled but before the bullet came out.... let's see spidey dodge that.. oh that's right he can't... ala marvel knights 12.. and goodnight ladies and gentlemen. 🙂
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
This debate is over 752 pages long. It seems like every Wolverine fan is taking the low showings of Spider-Man and the high showings of Wolverine. I've also seen posts about Wolverine taking punches from the Hulk.Yeah, he's a fantastic punching bag.
so what if spiderman can take on a superpowered villian with enhanced speed and super strength and the ability to shoot fireballs out his ass? I mean that's all well and good but it doesn't do much to support the ideal that spidey can take down a gifted, strategtic, top tier street level with uncanny fighting ability like wolverine. and unfortunately enough for spiderman most of his feats against such opponents don't bode well in his favor... he simply has a long history of getting hell frtom people with good fighting skills. people on wolverine's level.... also it doesn't help that wolverine has a majority of higher end showings over parker in direct confrontations.
Originally posted by jinzin
not really... it's just that we're trying to illustrate COMPARABLE sources to one another.so what if spiderman can take on a superpowered villian with enhanced speed and super strength and the ability to shoot fireballs out his ass? I mean that's all well and good but it doesn't do much to support the ideal that spidey can take down a gifted, strategtic, top tier street level with uncanny fighting ability like wolverine. and unfortunately enough for spiderman most of his feats against such opponents don't bode well in his favor... he simply has a long history of getting hell frtom people with good fighting skills. people on wolverine's level.... also it doesn't help that wolverine has a majority of higher end showings over parker in direct confrontations.
Really? Then why couldn't he dodge a shot from Parker when he was asking for it? Why is he Hulk's personal punching bag.
Also, Context defines Meaning. You're not giving the who, what, when, where, and why of anything.
Do you remember what Spider-Man did to The Ox in FNSM 2? Even when he thought Ox was Morlun he was still pulling his punches. Also, let's not forget the fact that this is a guy who dodges blasts from Heralds of Galactus, Iron Man, and so forth.
You're still selling Spider-Man short. Very short.
Originally posted by Howard_Jonesspoken like a true nooby to this thread.. no offense.
I may have a bias, but I'm not going to debate on a subject unfairly. Bias needs to be left at the door. I thought that was one of the rules of this forum. 😐Take Spider-Man's best feats as compared to Wolverines and this debate ends very, very fast.
but we've covered high end feats round and round, they are very similar in high end feats.
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
You can't take Wolverine taking on a top-tier and Spidey getting knocked over by an old lady and call it a fair debate. Also, you need to expand on what happens in fights. If you just take a few scans and not read the dialogue and context, what then?.
Originally posted by Howard_Joneswell for one that was bone claw wolverine... and two wolverine was actually still giving hulk hell later on, kicking him into the ground.... hulk landed a punch on him, but the only time hulk got his mits on logan was while logan was trying to reason with him.
Here's an example:
Take Hulk V2 #454. If you showed the panel of Hulk grasping his throat in fear that his throat had been cut, but dont' show the panels afterward, what the crap is that? About three panels later Wolverine is a punching bag again.
Originally posted by Howard_Joneshe's not a cornerstone of the debate, but rather a POINT of the debate... wolverine's durability.
Also, don't use Hulk as a cornerstone for this debate, because it doesn't work.
Originally posted by Howard_Jonesno he hasn't. 😕 in their confrontation's (fights) wolverine's hit spiderman every time save secret wars.
Wolverine is Hulk's adamantium laced punching bag. He has a very hard time hitting Spider-Man,
Originally posted by Howard_Jonesspiderman has never taken full on hits from thanos or thor, the only time hulk has hit spiderman with a full on shot spiderman ended up half smeared in a lake....
and Spidey's taken about ten times worse hits from Hulk, Thor, Thanos, and so forth.
Originally posted by Howard_Jonescause he was asking for it... 😐
Really? Then why couldn't he dodge a shot from Parker when he was asking for it?
Originally posted by Howard_Joneswho isn't?
Why is he Hulk's personal punching bag.
Originally posted by Howard_JonesI'm not? okay since when?
Also, Context defines Meaning. You're not giving the who, what, when, where, and why of anything.
Originally posted by Howard_Jonesno no i'm not.. spiderman has said it himself, it's near impossible to SHOOT him with anything, but he's flat out admitted on several occasions that hand to hand specialists make him look like an ameateur and that his spidersense serves as an equalizer. so what if he dodges blasts? again that's NOT comparible to dodging fighters is it?
Do you remember what Spider-Man did to The Ox in FNSM 2? Even when he thought Ox was Morlun he was still pulling his punches. Also, let's not forget the fact that this is a guy who dodges blasts from Heralds of Galactus, Iron Man, and so forth.You're still selling Spider-Man short. Very short.
Originally posted by jinzin
spoken like a true nooby to this thread.. no offense.but we've covered high end feats round and round, they are very similar in high end feats.
didn't happen so it's irrelivant.
well for one that was bone claw wolverine... and two wolverine was actually still giving hulk hell later on, kicking him into the ground.... hulk landed a punch on him, but the only time hulk got his mits on logan was while logan was trying to reason with him.
he's not a cornerstone of the debate, but rather a POINT of the debate... wolverine's durability.
no he hasn't. 😕 in their confrontation's (fights) wolverine's hit spiderman every time save secret wars.
spiderman has never taken full on hits from thanos or thor, the only time hulk has hit spiderman with a full on shot spiderman ended up half smeared in a lake....
but those examples are irrelivant, those characters use brute force, blunt trauma, wolverine uses claws that can dice peter in half... they're not really that easy to compare.
Thanos and Thor have never hit Spidey full on? You need to read more comics, especially ones with those two characters in them. Also, Hulk's done a LOT of damage to Spider-Man in the past, to the point where Spider-Man is still fighting full on.
Also, what didn't happen, so it's irrelivant? It's completely relevant. Don't say crap like that for the sake of your own case. If you're going to make a good case, don't sit there and use the word irrelivant like it's your mother on a street corner. Taking a high end feat off one and comparing it to the low end feat of another is a common idiotic fallacy that most people use. The only reason you're throwing the word irrelivant around is because you've been caught stewing in your own crap.
Also, you may wanna read my post again, because you missed the point by a mile. You may wanna turn around and face the target, because I was talking about context. 😉
Please try to keep up.
Originally posted by jinzin
cause he was asking for it... 😐who isn't?
what does that have to do with anything?I'm not? okay since when?
no no i'm not.. spiderman has said it himself, it's near impossible to SHOOT him with anything, but he's flat out admitted on several occasions that hand to hand specialists make him look like an ameateur and that his spidersense serves as an equalizer. so what if he dodges blasts? again that's NOT comparible to dodging fighters is it?
So, fist>Light Speed blast.
Gotcha.
Originally posted by jinzin
\except that spiderman's shown on several occasions that his punches do relatively NOTHING to wolverine but make him smile....
so much for that pathetic excuse for an argument.
he beat firelord using a bucket load of plot devices... period...
Wrong, he used the devices but firelord was able to easily survive them all. Spiderman knocked him out cold.secret wars was nothing more than the x-men trying to contain spidey, not fight him.... even then, so what? spidey hit wolverine and wolverine got right back up by the next panal they showed him in... he wasn't effected by the punch.. so he got hit.. big deal.
Wolverine came at spidey claws out, Nightcrwler used his agility to the fullest, they werent containin anybody. they were going all out. And wolvie admitted spidey made them look like ameteurs.and spiderman gets handled in most of his fights with ock, hell even lady ock was tossing TWO spidermen around.. so much for that theory.. in any case, wolverine has put his claws through the barrel of a gun after the trigger was pulled but before the bullet came out.... let's see spidey dodge that.. oh that's right he can't... ala marvel knights 12.. and goodnight ladies and gentlemen. 🙂
Originally posted by Howard_JonesNO.
Thanos and Thor have never hit Spidey full on?
Originally posted by Howard_Jones🤨
You need to read more comics, especially ones with those two characters in them. Also, Hulk's done a LOT of damage to Spider-Man in the past, to the point where Spider-Man is still fighting full on.
Originally posted by Howard_Jonesno it's not. no one compared spiderman losing to an old lady, you're exaggerating your ass off there.. thus irrelivant.. funny though people actually brought up aunt may beating wolverine with a broom as a pro spidey point in this thread.
Also, what didn't happen, so it's irrelivant? It's completely relevant.
Originally posted by Howard_Jonesokay just because you're hainvg problems understanding simplistic logical concepts is no reason to go on insulting my mother....
Don't say crap like that for the sake of your own case. If you're going to make a good case, don't sit there and use the word irrelivant like it's your mother on a street corner.
Originally posted by Howard_Joneswhich is why you brought up spiderman vs herolds right?
Taking a high end feat off one and comparing it to the low end feat of another is a common idiotic fallacy that most people use.
Originally posted by Howard_Jonesnot really.
The only reason you're throwing the word irrelivant around is because you've been caught stewing in your own crap.
Originally posted by Howard_JonesI understood your attempt at making a point perfecty but you're rambling on about shit that isn't taking place.
Also, you may wanna read my post again, because you missed the point by a mile. You may wanna turn around and face the target, because I was talking about context. 😉Please try to keep up.
Originally posted by fsufan89no on'es arguing that spiderman's a better dodger than wolverine.. hell spiderman's argueably the best dodger in the MU period... but that fact of the matter is dodging gunfire and doding bullets are two different stories altogether...
You want to talk about dodging in the new avengers comic spiderman dodged a beret of machine gun fire from a dozens of soldiers while towing a man behind him. Lets see that wolvie dodge.
Originally posted by jinzin
\except that spiderman's shown on several occasions that his punches do relatively NOTHING to wolverine but make him smile....
so much for that pathetic excuse for an argument.
he beat firelord using a bucket load of plot devices... period...
secret wars was nothing more than the x-men trying to contain spidey, not fight him.... even then, so what? spidey hit wolverine and wolverine got right back up by the next panal they showed him in... he wasn't effected by the punch.. so he got hit.. big deal.
and spiderman gets handled in most of his fights with ock, hell even lady ock was tossing TWO spidermen around.. so much for that theory.. in any case, wolverine has put his claws through the barrel of a gun after the trigger was pulled but before the bullet came out.... let's see spidey dodge that.. oh that's right he can't... ala marvel knights 12.. and goodnight ladies and gentlemen. 🙂
Also the devices didnt knock out firelord. Pete went hand to hand with him and knockked him out cold.
Also when he jumped the xmen Wolvie came out claws out and nightcrwler came at him as fast as possible. Both admited that he made them look like ameteurs. They deffinently wenrent just trying to contain him
Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Thanos and Thor have never hit Spidey full on? You need to read more comics, especially ones with those two characters in them. Also, Hulk's done a LOT of damage to Spider-Man in the past, to the point where Spider-Man is still fighting full on.Also, what didn't happen, so it's irrelivant? It's completely relevant. Don't say crap like that for the sake of your own case. If you're going to make a good case, don't sit there and use the word irrelivant like it's your mother on a street corner. Taking a high end feat off one and comparing it to the low end feat of another is a common idiotic fallacy that most people use. The only reason you're throwing the word irrelivant around is because you've been caught stewing in your own crap.
Also, you may wanna read my post again, because you missed the point by a mile. You may wanna turn around and face the target, because I was talking about context. 😉
Please try to keep up.
One thunderclap seems to do the trick against spidey, but against wolverine it didn't do much. Wolverine 5.5/10
And one more thing Howard_Jones... Nice Sig
Originally posted by jinzin
no on'es arguing that spiderman's a better dodger than wolverine.. hell spiderman's argueably the best dodger in the MU period... but that fact of the matter is dodging gunfire and doding bullets are two different stories altogether...
spiderman's been shown dodging gunfire from literally hundreds of hydra agents, but that didn't stop cap from knocking him up and down that alley like a red headed step child did it?
All wolvies stregnth and dodging abilities didnt save spidey from swatting him like a fly while insulting those formidable claws of his