Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by fsufan89
Also the devices didnt knock out firelord. Pete went hand to hand with him and knockked him out cold.

Also when he jumped the xmen Wolvie came out claws out and nightcrwler came at him as fast as possible. Both admited that he made them look like ameteurs. They deffinently wenrent just trying to contain him

they were tryting to contain him.. since you know. that's what proffesor x wanted... 😕
wolverine even states he doesn't want to hurt spiderman; and coming at him with calws means little to nothing who doesn't wolveirne come at with claws, when he's holding back, kidding around, threatening, etc etc etc..?

Originally posted by fsufan89
Also the devices didnt knock out firelord. Pete went hand to hand with him and knockked him out cold.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Did he deliver the final blow on that? I don't think I'd call the fight a plot device win though. If I remember correctly, he swung around the city all day with Firelord on this caboose looking for a way to stall Firelord. In my book, the longer you take to find something, the further it drifts from plot device. I wouldn't bank on Spidey getting a win every time though. Even with the building crashing down on him, Firelord was only knocked out for like 30 seconds.

Firelord was coming out of everything unscathed. Pete probably couldnt take him every time hand 2 hnd bu that day he wailed on firelord

Both guys are good fighters, but spidey spidey sence will keep him one step ahead. Spidey for the win.

Originally posted by fsufan89
Firelord was coming out of everything unscathed. Pete probably couldnt take him every time hand 2 hnd bu that day he wailed on firelord

[QUOTE=7844276]Originally posted by jinzin
plot devices put firelord in the position to be knocked out in the first place. and exactly firelord tried to hand to hand it with spiderman.. firelord.. the guy who can't hand to hand with silver surfer.. silver surfer the guy who has a fighting ability of a whopping 2... 😕

they were tryting to contain him.. since you know. that's what proffesor x wanted... 😕
wolverine even states he doesn't want to hurt spiderman; and coming at him with calws means little to nothing who doesn't wolveirne come at with claws, when he's holding back, kidding around, threatening, etc etc etc..? [/QUOTe

Professor x was knocked out cold so it was unclear what he wanted. And i doubt wolverine would admit spidey made him look like an ameteur if he was holding back. Plus wolviie knows holdin back on spiderman would be stupid. Spidey outclasses him in stregnth, speed, and agility, why would wolvie hold back on him

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I don't remember any wailing. Mostly annoying Firelord until he found something sufficient to have dropped on him.

No.. the final scen was spiderman confronting him after he emerged from an explosion unharmed. Spidey started screaming he didnt care who firelord was and that he would never give up.. This became an example of how strong spidey is when hes not holding back.. he just kept swingin and swingin til the cap America and some of his crew showed up to find firelord lying over the ground tellin petey he got him

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I don't remember any wailing. Mostly annoying Firelord until he found something sufficient to have dropped on him.

No firelord came out from the explosion unscathed, pete fought him hand to hand yelling he didnt care who firelord was and that he would never give up..... this became an example of how powereful spidey is when hes not holdingback.. he was swingin and swingin until cap and the crew arrived to find firlord on the ground unconscious and then telling pete he got him

sorry double post

Originally posted by fsufan89
sorry double post

Originally posted by jasonk3
One thunderclap seems to do the trick against spidey, but against wolverine it didn't do much. Wolverine 5.5/10

And one more thing Howard_Jones... Nice Sig

Fun fact about that scan is that Hulk was near mindless, and was infused with a gamma virus that doubled his strength. Esentially, he was stronger than Maestro. Taking that thunderclap and his head not exploding is an amazing durability feat.

Also, there are seventeen comics where Hulk and Spider-Man have fought, and Spidey has taken even worse hits than that and kept going. He's beaten Hulk twice, but once he needed the Uni-Power to do it.

So, yeah, it's not really that simple. Like I said before, context defines meaning.

Thanks for the compliment on my sig though.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Fun fact about that scan is that Hulk was near mindless, and was infused with a gamma virus that doubled his strength. Esentially, he was stronger than Maestro. Taking that thunderclap and his head not exploding is an amazing durability feat.

Also, there are seventeen comics where Hulk and Spider-Man have fought, and Spidey has taken even worse hits than that and kept going. He's beaten Hulk twice, but once he needed the Uni-Power to do it.

So, yeah, it's not really that simple. Like I said before, context defines meaning.

Thanks for the compliment on my sig though.

Using fights from when Spiderman had the Uni Power would be like taking evidence from Thanos' fights while he had the infinity gauntlet.

You just can't compare Spiderman to Captain Universe Spiderman.

Lets keep this logical. With Spideys powers combined he can hang with the strongest, fastest, most durable and best fighting marvel universe characters. Spideys overall attributes combined make him very difficult to defeat because he uses all of them at any given time making him a very versatile opponent. Spidey just brings more to the table in an overall attribute perspective when it comes to this battle. Whether you are a fanboy or not it doesn't matter, you have to admit that Spidey's attributes combined outmatch Wolverines overall. Just keeping it logical

Originally posted by python99
Lets keep this logical. With Spideys powers combined he can hang with the strongest, fastest, most durable and best fighting marvel universe characters.

Since when?

Spiderman couldn't 'hang' with the Surfer or the Runner. Nor could he 'hang' with Thanos. Nor could he deal with the Juggernaut. Nor could he take down Gamora.

Think before you post. None of Spiderman's abilities will let him hang with the strongest, fastest, most durable, or most skilled characters in the Marvel Universe. Even as Captain Universe Spidey, there are plenty of characters that would still curbstomp him, whilst simultaneously breaking the god damned curb.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Yes it is regular human. Yes he is stronger and faster than wolvie as well. Wolvie has his senses too along with unbreakable bones, claws, years of fighting skills and a healing factor that is super human. Spidey dodges for a good while but one hit and he is done.

I think spider-man could handle a hit from Wolverine. He has been hit by a lot worse.

Originally posted by Soljer
Since when?

Spiderman couldn't 'hang' with the Surfer or the Runner. Nor could he 'hang' with Thanos. Nor could he deal with the Juggernaut. Nor could he take down Gamora.

Think before you post. None of Spiderman's abilities will let him hang with the strongest, fastest, most durable, or most skilled characters in the Marvel Universe. Even as Captain Universe Spidey, there are plenty of characters that would still curbstomp him, whilst simultaneously breaking the god damned curb.

Yeah you are right I ment some of the most strong etc,etc,etc ie the hulk, namor , the thing durability also falls with them as well. Spidey has not hung with Juggs? 🙄 Spidey has not hung with surfer 🙄 I am not saying spidey wont get smashed to shit . All I am saying is that he brings more to the table. We all have see a few Spidey battles, and when he fights more often than not his opponent has more than just his strenght to worry about ie. Speed , reflexes , his spider sense, his versatility, his abilities to stick to walls, his webbing.
The combination sometimes proves to be to much for some of Spideys foes to handle.

Wasn't Cosmic Spidey stated to be the Strongest character in all of marvel?

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
I may have a bias, but I'm not going to debate on a subject unfairly. Bias needs to be left at the door. I thought that was one of the rules of this forum. 😐

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Take Spider-Man's best feats as compared to Wolverines and this debate ends very, very fast.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
You can't take Wolverine taking on a top-tier and Spidey getting knocked over by an old lady and call it a fair debate. .

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
[B] Also, you need to expand on what happens in fights. If you just take a few scans and not read the dialogue and context, what then?

Please when the hell did I do this? Your just talking about nothing. I use more evidence in my debates then you have probably ever seen.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Take Hulk V2 #454. If you showed the panel of Hulk grasping his throat in fear that his throat had been cut, but dont' show the panels afterward, what the crap is that? About three panels later Wolverine is a punching bag again.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Also, don't use Hulk as a cornerstone for this debate, because it doesn't work. Wolverine is Hulk's adamantium laced punching bag.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
He has a very hard time hitting Spider-Man,

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
and Spidey's taken about ten times worse hits from Hulk, Thor, Thanos, and so forth.

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Originally posted by fsufan89
Besides with all your knowledge you say you posses you still havent explained how spidey was able to jump the xmen like that

You mean run away and show extreme amount of PIS with out even hurt logan.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Really? Then why couldn't he dodge a shot from Parker when he was asking for it?

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Why is he Hulk's personal punching bag.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Do you remember what Spider-Man did to The Ox in FNSM 2? Even when he thought Ox was Morlun he was still pulling his punches. Also, let's not forget the fact that this is a guy who dodges blasts from Heralds of Galactus,

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Iron Man, and so forth.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
You're still selling Spider-Man short. Very short.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Thanos and Thor have never hit Spidey full on?

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
You need to read more comics, especially ones with those two characters in them.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Also, Hulk's done a LOT of damage to Spider-Man in the past, to the point where Spider-Man is still fighting full on.

Really like when? What issue number? Any prove?

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Also, what didn't happen, so it's irrelivant? It's completely relevant.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Don't say crap like that for the sake of your own case. If you're going to make a good case, don't sit there and use the word irrelivant like it's your mother on a street corner.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Taking a high end feat off one and comparing it to the low end feat of another is a common idiotic fallacy that most people use. The only reason you're throwing the word irrelivant around is because you've been caught stewing in your own crap.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Also, you may wanna read my post again, because you missed the point by a mile. You may wanna turn around and face the target, because I was talking about context. 😉

Please try to keep up.

Originally posted by fsufan89
You want to talk about dodging in the new avengers comic spiderman dodged a beret of machine gun fire from a dozens of soldiers while towing a man behind him. Lets see that wolvie dodge.

What issue? I own every avengers issue. I need to see the comic to know what feat I showed match it with so I don’t over do it.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Fun fact about that scan is that Hulk was near mindless, and was infused with a gamma virus that doubled his strength. Esentially, he was stronger than Maestro. Taking that thunderclap and his head not exploding is an amazing durability feat.

Not really logan took a stronger one in 6 hours and made a joke about it.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Also, there are seventeen comics where Hulk and Spider-Man have fought,

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
and Spidey has taken even worse hits than that and kept going. He's beaten Hulk twice, but once he needed the Uni-Power to do it.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
So, yeah, it's not really that simple. Like I said before, context defines meaning.

Thanks for the compliment on my sig though.

You keep saying that yet you have yet shown any good context that proves any thing.

Originally posted by doctorstrongbad
I think spider-man could handle a hit from Wolverine. He has been hit by a lot worse.

Originally posted by capt it up
he can handle 3 foot long claws going through him?

A "hit" it not the same as being "run though". Wolverine attacks people all the time with out running them through.

You know spider-man has talons now. They may not be as sharp but they can still hurt when your being stabbed at 15x human strength.