Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Metalmanx
doh

You missed the entire point of the scan, dude.

Had I used it to debate why Magneto lost to Wolverine, that would be different. Magneto is so many levels above Wolverine, that well, it just doesn't make any sense.

But I'm actually curious about something, capt. BESIDES the fact that it's a What If, what's wrong with the outcome? If anything, Wolverine was even MORE deadly in this comic. And yet Spider-Man still had total control over the fight. I just want to know what the problem is with it, BESIDES it being a What If.

Or is that your only problem with it? 😬

because you either accept What Ifs as cannon or you don't. You can't pick and choose which ones you think should qualify as cannon and which ones shouldn't.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
doh

You missed the entire point of the scan, dude.

Had I used it to debate why Magneto lost to Wolverine, that would be different. Magneto is so many levels above Wolverine, that well, it just doesn't make any sense.

But I'm actually curious about something, capt. BESIDES the fact that it's a What If, what's wrong with the outcome? If anything, Wolverine was even MORE deadly in this comic. And yet Spider-Man still had total control over the fight. I just want to know what the problem is with it, BESIDES it being a What If.

Or is that your only problem with it? 😬

You can not simply use a part of it becuase you liked that part it sad and pethetic of you. Do you see us using what if as evidence? honestly the whole thing does not matter becuase it a what if. if it had shown logqan stabbing spiderman you be scream and yelling saying it unusable and such yet becuase spiderman does good you find it useable. That retarded and show how bad you can get some times with the whole spiderman thing. You are a spiderman fanboy and you need to learn this.

Originally posted by bigbran
So, Wolverine can beat Dr Strange?
It happened in the same comic, didn't it?

I'm not disagreeing that Spider-Man wins, but really?

You and capt both missed the point of the scan entirely.

Alright, look. Had it been another character, say...I dunno, Invisible Woman, then it would make absolutely no sense. She has the ability to defeat Wolverine ten times over. Same with Magneto. Same with Juggernaut. Same with Hulk. Etc., etc.

But someone like Spider-Man, who only has certain means to defeat his opponent, it's different. Unless you mean to tell me that, in this particular What If, Spider-Man was all around more powerful than in 616? And Wolverine weaker? Because that just wouldn't make sense at all.

Sigh, it's very difficult for me to truly articulate my thoughts via the internet. I could describe this philosophy so much more clearly in person.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Still false.

shame on you MetalmanX, shame, shame, shame nono

simple question to you metal if you have no problems with the recent what if incidence you must not have a problem with the what if the x-men lost the enferno incident were logan kills spiderman

Originally posted by capt it up
what was wrong with Logan killing spiderman in the what if the x-men lost the enferno. what if are what if becuase the pure fact they never happen and are unusable as evidence

You can not simply use a part of it becuase you liked that part it sad and pethetic of you. Do you see us using what if as evidence? honestly the whole thing does not matter becuase it a what if. if it had shown logqan stabbing spiderman you be scream and yelling saying it unusable and such yet becuase spiderman does good you find it useable. That retarded and show how bad you can get some times with the whole spiderman thing. You are a spiderman fanboy and you need to learn this.

Alright. Lemme try a different approach here.

That scene that I showed you, this one right here:

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5122/whatifwolverineenemyoftjf0.jpg

...This could happen exactly the same way (sans teleportation) in a 616 comic. That was my entire point. Magneto, Invisible Woman, or Classic Juggernaut losing to Wolverine would not happen ever in 616. Yet, this scene with Spider-Man and Wolverine could happen just like this in 616 continuity. There's no stretching of the "truth" here. Just simple fact applied to a different realm.

I mean, if I argued that people in What Ifs breathed oxygen then they must breathe oxygen in 616, would you deny it because it happens first in What If? If I said "In What Ifs, when normal people get cut they start to bleed, so that must be true in the 616 universe as well", would you again deny this and say it can't be used as evidence because it's a What If? Using your logic, apparently you would.

In case you didn't understand most of this, I'm not technically using the What If scene as evidence. I'm pointing out the fact that the very same thing can happen frame-for-frame (sans teleportation) in 616 and it would be just fine character-wise.

If you still deny this, then simple logic is clearly lost on you.

Originally posted by capt it up
simple question to you metal if you have no problems with the recent what if incidence you must not have a problem with the what if the x-men lost the enferno incident were logan kills spiderman

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I do not condone using What Ifs as evidence. If you read my post prior to this you'll (hopefully) understand my point.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
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I do not condone using What Ifs as evidence. If you read my post prior to this you'll (hopefully) understand my point.

It is also possible AND realistic then that Wolverine killed Spiderman, unlike say Wolverine killing Juggernaut.

So I guess you accept that too, since it is possible.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Alright. Lemme try a different approach here.

That scene that I showed you, this one right here:

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5122/whatifwolverineenemyoftjf0.jpg

...This could happen exactly the same way (sans teleportation) in a 616 comic. That was my entire point. Magneto, Invisible Woman, or Classic Juggernaut losing to Wolverine would not happen ever in 616. Yet, this scene with Spider-Man and Wolverine could happen just like this in 616 continuity. There's no stretching of the "truth" here. Just simple fact applied to a different realm.

I mean, if I argued that people in What Ifs breathed oxygen then they must breathe oxygen in 616, would you deny it because it happens first in What If? If I said "In What Ifs, when normal people get cut they start to bleed, so that must be true in the 616 universe as well", would you again deny this and say it can't be used as evidence because it's a What If? Using your logic, apparently you would.

In case you didn't understand most of this, I'm not technically using the What If scene as evidence. I'm pointing out the fact that the very same thing can happen frame-for-frame (sans teleportation) in 616 and it would be just fine character-wise.

If you still deny this, then simple logic is clearly lost on you.

That’s nice and all completely useless though. That’s like saying logan cutting off hulks head is ok in a what if because he could do that in 616. fact is logan could cut off hulks head in 616 would it ever happen? Logan claws have the ability to do so, but that does not me it would happen.

So from what your saying then Logan stab spiderman and kill him in the what if “X-men had lost enferno” is usable since that could happen in 616 based on power sets.

also the scan show only part of the fight and spiderman kicked logan and webbed him up. First off the way logan was going he never should have ended up the way he did. Second logan should have been able to react fast enough to cut the webbing since that hit would not have even fazed him. Also why had logan not simply flipped with the hit some thing that is well with in his ability and he has done so on many occasions.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
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I do not condone using What Ifs as evidence. If you read my post prior to this you'll (hopefully) understand my point.

ask you again do you ahve a problem with logan killing spiderman via stabb in the stomack during the what if x-men had lost the enferno

Originally posted by Metalmanx
You and capt both missed the point of the scan entirely.

Alright, look. Had it been another character, say...I dunno, Invisible Woman, then it would make absolutely no sense. She has the ability to defeat Wolverine ten times over. Same with Magneto. Same with Juggernaut. Same with Hulk. Etc., etc.

But someone like Spider-Man, who only has certain means to defeat his opponent, it's different. Unless you mean to tell me that, in this particular What If, Spider-Man was all around more powerful than in 616? And Wolverine weaker? Because that just wouldn't make sense at all.

Sigh, it's very difficult for me to truly articulate my thoughts via the internet. I could describe this philosophy so much more clearly in person.

It doesn't matter if Thanos beat a low level hero in a what-if, it still isn't canon.
What-Ifs, are also some bad writing most of the time, hell, non canon books, but still not What-Ifs, are better... unless we have Galactus now being Elvis in this forum...

Main point, non-canon/What-If before they told a story(how they usually do).
Also, those were alternate universes. The mainstream Galactus is mre powerful than any other.

It might be believable, it might not be, but What-Ifs are meant for fun, not for evidence.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5122/whatifwolverineenemyoftjf0.jpg

Originally posted by masterbruce
It is also possible AND realistic then that Wolverine killed Spiderman, unlike say Wolverine killing Juggernaut.

So I guess you accept that too, since it is possible.

I've never ONCE denied that Wolverine can kill Spider-Man. Of course he can. He's got friggin razor-sharp claws. Of course he can kill Spider-Man.

Think before you post, eh?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I've never ONCE denied that Wolverine can kill Spider-Man. Of course he can. He's got friggin razor-sharp claws. Of course he can kill Spider-Man.

Think before you post, eh?

ok, so then you agree wolverine wins.

wolverine killing spidey >>>>>> spidey webbing wolverine

Originally posted by capt it up
That’s nice and all completely useless though. That’s like saying logan cutting off hulks head is ok in a what if because he could do that in 616. fact is logan could cut off hulks head in 616 would it ever happen? Logan claws have the ability to do so, but that does not me it would happen.

So from what your saying then Logan stab spiderman and kill him in the what if “X-men had lost enferno” is usable since that could happen in 616 based on power sets.

also the scan show only part of the fight and spiderman kicked logan and webbed him up. First off the way logan was going he never should have ended up the way he did. Second logan should have been able to react fast enough to cut the webbing since that hit would not have even fazed him. Also why had logan not simply flipped with the hit some thing that is well with in his ability and he has done so on many occasions.

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Logan can't cut off Hulk's head in 616 because of Hulk's healing factor. Is Hulk's healing factor the same in the What If?

I don't understand your problem with the scene itself. Spidey backflip-kicked him. That move, coupled with Spidey's strength, sent Logan to the wall. Where's the problem here? The kick doesn't need to "phase" Logan. He only weighs 300 lbs, it's very easy for Spidey to send him back with that kick. Spidey then, before Wolverine could move from this spot, webbed him up against the wall. Spidey's done this on numerous occassions with his foes. He knocks them against a wall and begins webbing so that the web makes contact as soon as the enemy hits the wall.

I don't see the issue with this. You could see, given their abilities, the very same scenario take place in 616 (sans teleportation).

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
What a simple manuever. What's the problem with something like this happening in every fight with Wolverine? Is it because his flash-like speed and reflexes did jack-smurf? Is it because Spiderman didn't fight like he just downed 2 cheese pizzas and a pitcher of beer?

I'm glad SOMEONE understands what I'm trying to point out here. Kudos, Swanky.

Originally posted by bigbran
No, I knew your point.
It still boils down to the issue being non-canon.

It doesn't matter if Thanos beat a low level hero in a what-if, it still isn't canon.
What-Ifs, are also some bad writing most of the time, hell, non canon books, but still not What-Ifs, are better... unless we have Galactus now being Elvis in this forum...

Main point, non-canon/What-If before they told a story(how they usually do).
Also, those were alternate universes. The mainstream Galactus is mre powerful than any other.

It might be believable, it might not be, but What-Ifs are meant for fun, not for evidence.

Forget it, dude. You didn't get my point then. But thanks for playing anyway.

Originally posted by masterbruce
ok, so then you agree wolverine wins.

wolverine killing spidey >>>>>> spidey webbing wolverine

...You clearly did not heed my advice. Try again. This time, do that little thing called "thinking" and comprehend my previous post a bit more. Then reply.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...You clearly did not heed my advice. Try again. This time, do that little thing called "thinking" and comprehend my previous post a bit more. Then reply.

*thinking* *thinking* *eureka*

you said spiderman webbing wolverine in a What IF should be accepted because it is now beyond the means of 616 spiderman to do the same (aside from the small little detail that the 616 has never webbed Wolverine in a straight up fight)

now, by logic then, we should accept that Wolverine killing Spiderman in the same sense because it is perfectly within the powers of 616 wolverine to do so. Now, I know you're going to say that Wolverine can't actually get spiderman with his claws. Well, you know what? You're wrong. Spiderman is not God, he's not perfect. One of his flips is going to be slightly off and wolverine will stab his clawes through spiderman like a shish kebob.

happy? I did some thinking.