Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

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Logan can't cut off Hulk's head in 616 because of Hulk's healing factor. Is Hulk's healing factor the same in the What If? [/QUOTE]
No idea and that’s my point how do you know logan and spiderman powers were the same? You don’t you cearly just assumeing

Originally posted by Metalmanx
:I don't understand your problem with the scene itself. Spidey backflip-kicked him. That move, coupled with Spidey's strength, sent Logan to the wall. Where's the problem here? The kick doesn't need to "phase" Logan. He only weighs 300 lbs, it's very easy for Spidey to send him back with that kick. Spidey then, before Wolverine could move from this spot, webbed him up against the wall

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Originally posted by Metalmanx
: Spidey's done this on numerous occassions with his foes. He knocks them against a wall and begins webbing so that the web makes contact as soon as the enemy hits the wall.

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Originally posted by Metalmanx
: I don't see the issue with this. You could see, given their abilities, the very same scenario take place in 616 (sans teleportation).

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Forget it, dude. You didn't get my point then. But thanks for playing anyway.

Originally posted by masterbruce
*thinking* *thinking* *eureka*

you said spiderman webbing wolverine in a What IF should be accepted because it is now beyond the means of 616 spiderman to do the same (aside from the small little detail that the 616 has never webbed Wolverine in a straight up fight)

now, by logic then, we should accept that Wolverine killing Spiderman in the same sense because it is perfectly within the powers of 616 wolverine to do so. Now, I know you're going to say that Wolverine can't actually get spiderman with his claws. Well, you know what? You're wrong. Spiderman is not God, he's not perfect. One of his flips is going to be slightly off and wolverine will stab his clawes through spiderman like a shish kebob.

happy? I did some thinking.

Hey, good job! You did do some thinking! Unfortunately, just not in the right direction.

Wolverine CAN kill Spider-man. He can also kill: Jean, Cyclops, Magneto, Blob, Toad, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, etc., etc. Claws through the head is a sure-fire way to win for Wolverine.

What you don't seem to understand is that "can" and "will" are two different things. Wolverine can kill all of the mentioned characters--if they're standing still, not using their powers, and letting Wolverine take a free shot at them. Of course he CAN kill them.

You will never hear me say Spider-Man is a God. Nor that he can avoid getting hit forever. You know why? Because I know taht Spidey can get hit. It's just not a very common thing with characters much slower than he. Spidey's webs have held stronger, faster, more powerful beings than Wolverine before, with hardly any trouble in fact.

Spider-Man can web Wolverine up. It's not a hard task and well within his abilities to do so. Just picture this: http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5122/whatifwolverineenemyoftjf0.jpg happening in a 616 comic. There's nothing (aside from the teleportation) that would differentiate itself from a 616 showing.

Originally posted by bigbran
That they have the exact same abilities (strength, skill, speed, duribility, etc), and Spider-Man has done it?

Sure. I guess that's what I was going for.

Capt. Quick question.

Hypothetically, if that scene had happened (without the teleportation) in a 616 comic (just assume here), would you have a problem with it? I'm just curious.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Just picture this: http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5122/whatifwolverineenemyoftjf0.jpg happening in a 616 comic. There's nothing (aside from the teleportation) that would differentiate itself from a 616 showing.

hmmm, except that it's NEVER EVER happened in 616.

Now ask yourself, why is that?

Obviously, they can't have Logan killing off their cash cow, but why never have Spiderman use one of his (according to you) common abilities against wolverine in a straight up fight?

answer me that.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Capt. Quick question.

Hypothetically, if that scene had happened (without the teleportation) in a 616 comic (just assume here), would you have a problem with it? I'm just curious.

just as you would have a problem with logan killing spiderman like he did in the x-men what if which you keep ignoring.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Sure. I guess that's what I was going for.

But, really, What-Ifs are kind of crap. Some writing is good, some isn't.
I agree with Capt for the second time... *gasp* you can't pick and chose.
Even though I see what your getting at with this...

Anyway, wouldn't Wolverine cutting his web, only result in it getting stuck on his hands/claws, making them less of a hazard (meaning this as in, him getting hit by the webbing), and eventually getting caught up and making him an easier target?

Originally posted by capt it up
yes I would it be cannon, but I have a problem with it.

just as you would have a problem with logan killing spiderman like he did in the x-men what if which you keep ignoring.

Now, what would be your problem with it? Go into detail, I'm curious.

By the way, I keep ignoring it because I haven't read it. I figured I just wouldn't make an assumption over a comic I haven't read at all. I haven't a clue as to what happens in it.

Originally posted by capt it up
yes I would it be cannon, but I have a problem with it.

just as you would have a problem with logan killing spiderman like he did in the x-men what if which you keep ignoring.

The webbing has a wider spray area than a bullet. It is sticky. It fires more constantly.

Yes, yes, Wolverine has some speed feats, but not nearly as much as Spides, and not as quick. Sure he can dodge some attacks, but all of the webbing Spidey fires?

Originally posted by bigbran
I agree that Spider-Man should win.
There is no proof that he can cut up every web either.

But, really, What-Ifs are kind of crap. Some writing is good, some isn't.
I agree with Capt for the second time... *gasp* you can't pick and chose.
Even though I see what your getting at with this...

Anyway, wouldn't Wolverine cutting his web, only result in it getting stuck on his hands/claws, making them less of a hazard (meaning this as in, him getting hit by the webbing), and eventually getting caught up and making him an easier target?

Okay, we can agree to disagree. I see and clearly understand the point you're making, while I hope you understand the point I was trying to make. In no way do I condone the use of What Ifs as evidence. I merely showed that to prove another point is all. But you're with me now I think.

And yes, I agree with your description of the webbing on Wolverine's claws. Cutting into or not, they're still sticky and hella-strong. Cutting into them would nothing more than hinder Logan even more.

The same what if where Wolverine kills the Invisible Woman and Magneto?!?!?! 😆

Originally posted by bigbran
I agree that Spider-Man should win.
There is no proof that he can cut up every web either.

But, really, What-Ifs are kind of crap. Some writing is good, some isn't.
I agree with Capt for the second time... *gasp* you can't pick and chose.
Even though I see what your getting at with this...

Anyway, wouldn't Wolverine cutting his web, only result in it getting stuck on his hands/claws, making them less of a hazard (meaning this as in, him getting hit by the webbing), and eventually getting caught up and making him an easier target?

you mean you agree with ME. i was the one who said you can't pick and choose.

Wolverine has beaten Spider-man before and he will continue to do so everytime they fight until Spider-man is dead.

Originally posted by masterbruce
you mean you agree with ME. i was the one who said you can't pick and choose.

I'm neither picking nor choosing. I was merely pointing out a similarity between the two.

So no, he agrees with me.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Now, what would be your problem with it? Go into detail, I'm curious.

By the way, I keep ignoring it because I haven't read it. I figured I just wouldn't make an assumption over a comic I haven't read at all. I haven't a clue as to what happens in it.

My problem is simple it does not show enough. how did logan get hit why did he not slash spidermans leg. It not 616 is my big problem with it so there said abilities could be different. also Logan ehad was goign straight at the wall in a perfect form for logan could flipp yet he did not which makes no senses since he done it loads of times. also logan should have recovered instantly and yet he did not he got webb. Makes no senses he should have been able to claw the shit out of the webbing and yet he did not even try to. Those are my problems and the fact it unusable evidence

Originally posted by masterbruce
you mean you agree with ME. i was the one who said you can't pick and choose.

I gotta go write a paper for a final( though most likly I end up at a party and get way to drunk and do the paper tommarrow)

Originally posted by capt it up
My problem is simple it does not show enough. how did logan get hit why did he not slash spidermans leg. It not 616 is my big problem with it so there said abilities could be different. also Logan ehad was goign straight at the wall in a perfect form for logan could flipp yet he did not which makes no senses since he done it loads of times. also logan should have recovered instantly and yet he did not he got webb. Makes no senses he should have been able to claw the shit out of the webbing and yet he did not even try to. Those are my problems and the fact it unusable evidence

Guess I still don't understand the problem. Had this occurred in 616, it would appear to be quite feasible to me. Spider is both stronger and faster than Wolverine. It's well within his ability to kick Logan hard enough so that he has no time to flip. Do you follow so far? If he's hit hard enough, he reaches the wall faster. Meaning he has no time to pull off sad flip. Not really sure where's flipping to anyway. The webbing still would've hit him, as it sprays instead of a straight line.

I see no way he could've slahed at Spidey's legs. Look at the picture again, I just did, too. Spidey moved too fast for Logan. He threw his feet right in between Logan's arms and connect with his jaw. The force of the blow sent Logan back, arms now useless since they're being pulled back by his moving torso.

Spidey then moved faster than Wolverine (since he's faster) and webbed Logan as soon as he reached the wall. Being faster than Logan, this makes sense. He finished his flip-kick and positioned himself for webbing before Logan even reached the wall.

Like I said, if it were 616, I don't see the problem. No, not becuase Spider-Man was winning, but because it makes sense given even their 616 characters. Spidey could VERY easily do this same exact thign in 616. He just, well, hasn't. Yet.

Why has Spiderman never webbed Wolverine in a headon fight against Wolverine?

How can you explain this HUGE discrepancy (considering webbing is one of Spiderman's main arsenal in every fight, unlike say Thor's godblast)