Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by jinzin
WHAT KIND OF TEAMMATE ARE YOU?!?!?! lol j/k...
look that's what we've been talking about.. spiderman's failed against other similar character with a webbing "spray" before.. wolverine can opt for the same success.

and I don't see why you think I'm assuming that spiderman's going to be motionless, I never said that, what I'm getting at is that wolverine has the speed to put him in the close quarters fight that they were in in the graveyard.. the kind where spiderman can't let up on wolverine or opt for webbing, cause if he does.. he dies.

A BAD TEAMMATE!! 😠 😆

But seriously. I'm not doubting Wolverine is fast. He is. Slightly faster than a peak human. But when compared to Spidey, that speed isn't that great anymore. Spidey fights Venom, Carnarge, Doc Ock's tentacles, the Lizard, Morlun, etc. (all of these as fast or faster than Spidey), and still manages to both out-maneuver them and effectively strike them.

Wolverine can try to close the gap all he wants. If he wants to, Spidey can stay several steps ahead of him. But that's just assuming he wants to. He can also speed-blitz Wolvie (instead of the other way around). And yes, I know Wolvie isn't slow, but he isn't in the same league of spee that Spidey is in.

Even if they do get in close quarters combat, I can see Spidey dodging all of Logan's swipes/kicks/etc. and then firing a blast of webbing in Logan's face. Logan reaches up to remove webbing, Spidey webs his hand(s) to his face, effectively incapacitating him. More webbing ensues, more incapaciation follows.

Originally posted by jinzin
well aside from the fact that wolverine can arguably get out from under it before it lands..
there's still the nasty buisness of getting it out of his belt.. in a close quarters fight, I don't see that happening.

Its not nesacarily a close quarters fight though if Spidey is keeping his distance.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
A BAD TEAMMATE!! 😠 😆

But seriously. I'm not doubting Wolverine is fast. He is. Slightly faster than a peak human. But when compared to Spidey, that speed isn't that great anymore. Spidey fights Venom, Carnarge, Doc Ock's tentacles, the Lizard, Morlun, etc. (all of these as fast or faster than Spidey), and still manages to both out-maneuver them and effectively strike them.

Wolverine can try to close the gap all he wants. If he wants to, Spidey can stay several steps ahead of him. But that's just assuming he wants to. He can also speed-blitz Wolvie (instead of the other way around). And yes, I know Wolvie isn't slow, but he isn't in the same league of spee that Spidey is in.

Even if they do get in close quarters combat, I can see Spidey dodging all of Logan's swipes/kicks/etc. and then firing a blast of webbing in Logan's face. Logan reaches up to remove webbing, Spidey webs his hand(s) to his face, effectively incapacitating him. More webbing ensues, more incapaciation follows.

<<GASP>> you stole one of my scenarios!!!!

Originally posted by Sparkz
<<GASP>> you stole one of my scenarios!!!!

What can I say? Great minds think alike. 😉

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That logic won't apply here.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If I remember correctly, Taskmaster cut up the webbing kinda "helicopter" style with a sword as it neared him, something Wolverine can't do. How did Black Panther do it?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Regardless, you can't assume that Wolverine can cut through it the same way.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If Wolverine tries to parry it with his claws, then his claws get webbed. That will slow him down, if even just a little bit.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And it's not like Spidey can't hit him with the webbing. He's his faster moving objects before. That, coupled with his superior reflexes and speed, I see no problem with his tagging Wolverine with webbing.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And assuming Wolverine does manage to dodge the webbing, Spidey will just move out of Wolvie's reach, very easily within his ability, given that Spidey's faster, quicker, has faster reflexes, etc.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
What can I say? Great minds think alike. 😉

A great mind? Wow when did I get one of those? Hell why don't i ever use it? So many questions.

Originally posted by jinzin

and how long can spiderman keep this up? that's the thing for every minute that passes spiderman gets more fatigued wolverine maintains.. we've been down this road already metalman, I'm debating with sparks because he put up a good effort and I thought he deserved a decent reply.. plus I don't recall ever really debating with him.. but you and I have danced this dance and no one's changing their minds around here..

You thought i deserved a decent reply? Awwww couldnt spell my name right though 😛

Originally posted by Soleran
So now you are limiting how much/often spiderman can use webbing in a specific range, nonsense.

nonsense.. spiderman's admitted to it... he's stated one more than several occasions how shorthanded things can be for him in close quarters combat with guys like wolverine and cap, he's stated that he had trouble to use webbing while fighting lizard in close quarters.. are you calling him a liar? lol

Originally posted by Soleran
Anyway Spiderman isn't stuck to just shooting out a stream of webbing he can cover a large area with webbing as well very quickly.

Hell in the deadpool fight he spun a HUGE web VERY VERY quickly that was able to hold a car in it, Wolverine would be caught as well.

Originally posted by Soleran
Anyway this is tedious, Spiderman wins due to his ability to use his webbing in a LARGE number of ways. If it goes H2H Spiderman might get 2 wins but the majority goes to the distance figthing.

spiderman wins because of webbing I'll grant him that, but the majority? no.. as I said before things just have to be too circumstantial for him to win out over wolverine using webbing.. unlike most, I don't give spiderman the benefit of the doubt, and I never will until he can prove for himself what everyone around here wants to believe.. thus far he hasn't.. plain and simple.

Originally posted by jinzin
nonsense.. spiderman's admitted to it... he's stated one more than several occasions how shorthanded things can be for him in close quarters combat with guys like wolverine and cap, he's stated that he had trouble to use webbing while fighting lizard in close quarters.. are you calling him a liar? lol

this as already been deabated in the last few pages I'm not going over it again.

it IS tedious isn't it...

spiderman wins because of webbing I'll grant him that, but the majority? no.. as I said before things just have to be too circumstantial for him to win out over wolverine using webbing.. unlike most, I don't give spiderman the benefit of the doubt, and I never will until he can prove for himself what everyone around here wants to believe.. thus far he hasn't.. plain and simple.

When did he state his webbing was ineffective in close combat??

Originally posted by Sparkz
Well i'd disagree I think this stratagey would be very easy to pull off as he could stay away from Wolverine easily while getting the cartridge then hitting wolverine with it should be very easy as he actualy dosn't need to hit Logan directly for it to work.

Originally posted by Sparkz
Kraven no, Hobgolin probaly wouldn't hit as he has his glider, Lizard no point realy Rhino no point.

And Spidey has used impact webbing once but i'll have to get the scan another time...

And i have seen him pour webbing on guys without impact but again I need time to get that scan so...

Originally posted by Sparkz
When did he state his webbing was ineffective in close combat??

Originally posted by jinzin
again spiderman can't avoid wolverine's EASILY... don't mistake wolverine for a human thug, or a superpowered bonehead... he's got an amazing amount of speed, skill, and intelligence on the battlefield... sure spiderman can avoid him.. if that's what he's concentrating on.. otherwise he gets clobbered like on the rooftop or stabbed like in the training session.

and yet spiderman's hit faster things than gobby's glider with his webbing as he not? again.. I've seen spiderman do stuff like this. but not enough times in comparible scenarios to show me it's a viable option.

I know he can't avoid Wolverine easily but i think he can stay far away from logan while getting his cartridge ready.

Also please don't use the training session as evidence, I have no problem with it but it usualy makes hell break loose with everyone saying they werent fighting at their best and wolverine broke out of webbing and spidey didn't dodge etc, it just cause to much trouble lol

I still think the webbing is a viable option but also don't forget that when he was fighting all these guys he was using web shooters and I bet he didn't want to waste that much webbing on people he knew could most likley break out of it.

Originally posted by jinzin
not his webbing being ineffective, just that he has problems in close quarters, against wolverine he stated he didn't have the time to give logan ONE second or he would get killed...
against cap he alluded to close quarters being a bit of a disadvantage for him
against the lizard he said he was having a hard time dodging lizard much less use his webbing...
hell he's stated that his spidersense and agility/speed are only an equalizer for a guy like iron fist i close quarters combat.. close quarters just isn't his thing when it comes to guys on that level.

True but using his webbing is pretty much an instint aswell so it isn't that much of a stretch for him to use his webbing against Logan even when dodging constantly.

Crap is that the time I gotta be up early for work tommorow and I need to get sorted for it so I need to go, but I'll continue this tommorow, after all if i didn't go to work I couldnt get these dandy comics we all talk about so much....

Originally posted by Metalmanx
A BAD TEAMMATE!! 😠 😆

But seriously. I'm not doubting Wolverine is fast. He is. Slightly faster than a peak human.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
But when compared to Spidey, that speed isn't that great anymore. Spidey fights Venom, Carnarge, Doc Ock's tentacles, the Lizard, Morlun, etc. (all of these as fast or faster than Spidey), and still manages to both out-maneuver them and effectively strike them.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Wolverine can try to close the gap all he wants. If he wants to, Spidey can stay several steps ahead of him.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
But that's just assuming he wants to. He can also speed-blitz Wolvie (instead of the other way around). And yes, I know Wolvie isn't slow, but he isn't in the same league of spee that Spidey is in.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Even if they do get in close quarters combat, I can see Spidey dodging all of Logan's swipes/kicks/etc. and then firing a blast of webbing in Logan's face. Logan reaches up to remove webbing, Spidey webs his hand(s) to his face, effectively incapacitating him. More webbing ensues, more incapaciation follows.

Originally posted by Sparkz
I know he can't avoid Wolverine easily but i think he can stay far away from logan while getting his cartridge ready.

Also please don't use the training session as evidence, I have no problem with it but it usualy makes hell break loose with everyone saying they werent fighting at their best and wolverine broke out of webbing and spidey didn't dodge etc, it just cause to much trouble lol

I still think the webbing is a viable option but also don't forget that when he was fighting all these guys he was using web shooters and I bet he didn't want to waste that much webbing on people he knew could most likley break out of it.

but by your own strategy he could slow them down, and then open up a cartride on them while they were about to get out right? see when you think about it, it doesn't add up.. somethings missing somewhere.

and yeah I know the training session makes people pissed, I'm just demonstrating that wolverine can hit spiderman.. considering the vast number of less skilled or slower or as fast people that have done it I don't see how this can effectively be argued against.

Originally posted by Sparkz
True but using his webbing is pretty much an instint aswell so it isn't that much of a stretch for him to use his webbing against Logan even when dodging constantly.

Why is this poll 3-to-2?? I thought this was an epic poll with hundreds of votes.

Maybe I'm just cheap, but if I was Spiderman I'd just jump into the air and spam the place with webbing. Whether he could cut through the sheets without it sticking to his claws would be moot because it would be constantly sticking to his body until he's trapped.

Jin, what is your theory/scenario for how Wolverine gets the majority over Spider-Man with both of them fighting to the best of their ability? (Within limits, of course--no cosmic Spidey, no Wolrd-destroying Wolverine, etc.--You get the point). I'm just curious.

Is Wolverine's entire strategy to outlast Spidey? Because that seems to be at least the only probable way to defeat him.