Originally posted by Soleran
Spiderman's webbing gives him the advantage he needs to pull off a win in a defensive position as well as spiderman's mobility.Wolverine couldn't fight a defensive fight and garner a win if Parker stayed defensive as well, thats Spiderman's biggest advantage.
kind of what I'v been trying to say, next time I should just say it all simplistic like...
Originally posted by Sparkz
No Spidey dosn't get prep but if you are both standing there waiting for a sign to start you wuld probaly be thinking of a stratagye Spidey may do that while waiting though its kind of a lame excuse i know.
yeah it is a bit lame.. no offense..
I always considered these fights to be kinda like marvel vs. dc hulk vs. supes where both characters just get "zapped" to a battlefield and then make due... in any case I don't think reaching in his own pants is going to be spiderman's first strategy in this fight.
Originally posted by Sparkzimmaculate... that's how spiderman's going to have to dodge to be able to do something like reach in his belt for a a cartridge he may or ma not have...
And Spidey may be on the defensive, but whats it gonna take to throw a cartridge at wolverine while he is dodging.
again in their graveyard fight spiderman says that he can't give wolverine one second or wolverine will kill him... he focused completely on his spider sense because he had to... no room for aynthing else.
Originally posted by Sparkzby whom?
As for the stealth I'd say he could but its uncomfired its assumed he can though...
Originally posted by SparkzI just don't see him winning any h2h scenarios.
I'd agree about H2H it was just something I threw in there showing a possible way he could win a H2H scenario.
Originally posted by jinzin
falling from a building takes him what.. 2 3 4 seconds? wolverine's speedblitzed over 20 yards to get to a guy before he could pull a trigger. spiderman just doesn't have the time.
This is assuming Spidey stands completely motionless after missing with the web?
Hell, I don't even see him missing Logan if he plays it smart. Sure, Logan might dodge his thin, individual streams. But we've all seen Spidey fire a wide ass-load of webbing at once at a target, so wide that it would be nigh impossible for Logan to dodge.
Originally posted by Sparkzexactly! 😱
maybe but he dosn't usualy pour gallons of webbing on a random "badguy"
because it's not a viable strategy when they're coming at him and putting him on the defensive... if it was, he'd do it every time he saw venom coming and run for the hills... but he doesn't...
Originally posted by Sparkzokay.. this is going in circles now...
Spidey might be on the defensive but while Wolverine is lunging he can't avoid Spider-man's webbing can he?And even if Wolverine tried to get out of the webbing he's gonna be slowed down to much to get away from all that webbing untill he can't move.
wolverine can avoid the webbing while closing the gap.. too many people on wolvie's level have done just that to ignore it...
HOWEVER.. if he opts to cut through the webbing, the webbing won't offer much resistance if ANY AT ALL to slow him down..
again it didn't to taskmaster, it didn't to black panther.. it won't to wolverine... he's not going to be slowed down enough for spiderman to take advantage of that unless spiderman has already put him in a precarious position.
Originally posted by jinzin
yeah it is a bit lame.. no offense..I always considered these fights to be kinda like marvel vs. dc hulk vs. supes where both characters just get "zapped" to a battlefield and then make due... in any case I don't think reaching in his own pants is going to be spiderman's first strategy in this fight.
immaculate... that's how spiderman's going to have to dodge to be able to do something like reach in his belt for a a cartridge he may or ma not have...
again in their graveyard fight spiderman says that he can't give wolverine one second or wolverine will kill him... he focused completely on his spider sense because he had to... no room for aynthing else.
by whom?
I just don't see him winning any h2h scenarios.
None taken I did admitt it after all lol 😛 I always looked at it as they were taken to an arean and told to duke it out to the best of their ability, to each his own.
Ok he's not gonna be at close range when getting the cartridge out only when he has it in his hands is he gonna close the gap. And it won't take much to throw when he is close.
By me lol no1's realy said it i was more using a phrase than refering to someone.
Originally posted by jinzin
exactly! 😱because it's not a viable strategy when they're coming at him and putting him on the defensive... if it was, he'd do it every time he saw venom coming and run for the hills... but he doesn't...
yes but he knows thats a complete waste of time with venom Wolverine is a different matter though... and dumping webbing dosn't put him on the defensive if he hits.
Originally posted by Soleranno, spiderman's mobility allows him to fight defensively, his webbing gives him a range option for fighting defensively but he can only use it so much in a close quarters fight.
Spiderman's webbing gives him the advantage he needs to pull off a win in a defensive position as well as spiderman's mobility.
Originally posted by Soleranwolverine can't win a defensive fight because he's got no range.. which is exactly why he wouldn't fight defensively.
Wolverine couldn't fight a defensive fight and garner a win if Parker stayed defensive as well, thats Spiderman's biggest advantage.
Originally posted by jinzin
because it's not a viable strategy when they're coming at him and putting him on the defensive... if it was, he'd do it every time he saw venom coming and run for the hills... but he doesn't...
Um why is that, if spiderman jumped in the air and broke it over the top of Logan or in front of logan it wouldn't make any difference the effect is still the same.
However I don't see his artificial webbing coming into play with this fight.
Originally posted by jinzin
okay.. this is going in circles now...wolverine can avoid the webbing while closing the gap.. too many people on wolvie's level have done just that to ignore it...
HOWEVER.. if he opts to cut through the webbing, the webbing won't offer much resistance if ANY AT ALL to slow him down..
again it didn't to taskmaster, it didn't to black panther.. it won't to wolverine... he's not going to be slowed down enough for spiderman to take advantage of that unless spiderman has already put him in a precarious position.
your right it is going in circles your basing this whole thing on Wolveine closing the gap and I just can't see him doing that when Spidey isn't standing still hoping the sheet will stop him, its more of a diversion for his next wave of webbing to hit.
Originally posted by Soleran
Um why is that, if spiderman jumped in the air and broke it over the top of Logan or in front of logan it wouldn't make any difference the effect is still the same.However I don't see his artificial webbing coming into play with this fight.
that was actualy a scenario for classic Spider-man but people keep refering to that one as current but what the hey.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
This is assuming Spidey stands completely motionless after missing with the web?Hell, I don't even see him missing Logan if he plays it smart. Sure, Logan might dodge his thin, individual streams. But we've all seen Spidey fire a wide ass-load of webbing at once at a target, so wide that it would be nigh impossible for Logan to dodge.
WHAT KIND OF TEAMMATE ARE YOU?!?!?! lol j/k...
look that's what we've been talking about.. spiderman's failed against other similar character with a webbing "spray" before.. wolverine can opt for the same success.
and I don't see why you think I'm assuming that spiderman's going to be motionless, I never said that, what I'm getting at is that wolverine has the speed to put him in the close quarters fight that they were in in the graveyard.. the kind where spiderman can't let up on wolverine or opt for webbing, cause if he does.. he dies.
Originally posted by jinzin
okay.. this is going in circles now...wolverine can avoid the webbing while closing the gap.. too many people on wolvie's level have done just that to ignore it...
HOWEVER.. if he opts to cut through the webbing, the webbing won't offer much resistance if ANY AT ALL to slow him down..
again it didn't to taskmaster, it didn't to black panther.. it won't to wolverine... he's not going to be slowed down enough for spiderman to take advantage of that unless spiderman has already put him in a precarious position.
That logic won't apply here.
If I remember correctly, Taskmaster cut up the webbing kinda "helicopter" style with a sword as it neared him, something Wolverine can't do. How did Black Panther do it?
Regardless, you can't assume that Wolverine can cut through it the same way. If Wolverine tries to parry it with his claws, then his claws get webbed. That will slow him down, if even just a little bit.
And it's not like Spidey can't hit him with the webbing. He's hit faster moving objects before. That, coupled with his superior reflexes and speed, I see no problem with his tagging Wolverine with webbing.
And assuming Wolverine does manage to dodge the webbing, Spidey will just move out of Wolvie's reach, very easily within his ability, given that Spidey's faster, quicker, has faster reflexes, etc.
Originally posted by Sparkzyup I think that spidey CAN pull this kind of trick off... but again it's not likely.. that's why he doesn't get the majority.
None taken I did admitt it after all lol 😛 I always looked at it as they were taken to an arean and told to duke it out to the best of their ability, to each his own.Ok he's not gonna be at close range when getting the cartridge out only when he has it in his hands is he gonna close the gap. And it won't take much to throw when he is close.
Originally posted by Sparkzhmmm i see.. lol
By me lol no1's realy said it i was more using a phrase than refering to someone.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
That logic won't apply here.If I remember correctly, Taskmaster cut up the webbing kinda "helicopter" style with a sword as it neared him, something Wolverine can't do. How did Black Panther do it?
Regardless, you can't assume that Wolverine can cut through it the same way. If Wolverine tries to parry it with his claws, then his claws get webbed. That will slow him down, if even just a little bit.
And it's not like Spidey can't hit him with the webbing. He's his faster moving objects before. That, coupled with his superior reflexes and speed, I see no problem with his tagging Wolverine with webbing.
And assuming Wolverine does manage to dodge the webbing, Spidey will just move out of Wolvie's reach, very easily within his ability, given that Spidey's faster, quicker, has faster reflexes, etc.
You know I'v tried explaining the manovabilty part of the fights numerouse times now but I just don't seem to be doing at as well as everyone eles, I think I reply to fast and don't think about my answers much,
Originally posted by jinzin
no, spiderman's mobility allows him to fight defensively, his webbing gives him a range option for fighting defensively but he can only use it so much in a close quarters fight.
So now you are limiting how much/often spiderman can use webbing in a specific range, nonsense.
Anyway Spiderman isn't stuck to just shooting out a stream of webbing he can cover a large area with webbing as well very quickly.
Hell in the deadpool fight he spun a HUGE web VERY VERY quickly that was able to hold a car in it, Wolverine would be caught as well.
Anyway this is tedious, Spiderman wins due to his ability to use his webbing in a LARGE number of ways. If it goes H2H Spiderman might get 2 wins but the majority goes to the distance figthing.
Originally posted by Sparkzis it a complete waste of time with kraven? hobgoblin? lizard? rhino? shocker? etc etc...
yes but he knows thats a complete waste of time with venom Wolverine is a different matter though... and dumping webbing dosn't put him on the defensive if he hits.
see he doesn't do it in any fights to prove that he can.. the only time he had the capacity for such was back in the days of his impact webbing and that was his clones..
spiderman's going to be on the defensive 10 times out of 10 here.. anything else gets him skewered.
Originally posted by jinzin
yup I think that spidey CAN pull this kind of trick off... but again it's not likely.. that's why he doesn't get the majority.hmmm i see.. lol
Well i'd disagree I think this stratagey would be very easy to pull off as he could stay away from Wolverine easily while getting the cartridge then hitting wolverine with it should be very easy as he actualy dosn't need to hit Logan directly for it to work.
Originally posted by Soleranwell aside from the fact that wolverine can arguably get out from under it before it lands..
Um why is that, if spiderman jumped in the air and broke it over the top of Logan or in front of logan it wouldn't make any difference the effect is still the same.However I don't see his artificial webbing coming into play with this fight.
Originally posted by jinzin
is it a complete waste of time with kraven? hobgoblin? lizard? rhino? shocker? etc etc...see he doesn't do it in any fights to prove that he can.. the only time he had the capacity for such was back in the days of his impact webbing and that was his clones..
spiderman's going to be on the defensive 10 times out of 10 here.. anything else gets him skewered.
Kraven no, Hobgolin probaly wouldn't hit as he has his glider, Lizard no point realy Rhino no point.
And Spidey has used impact webbing once but i'll have to get the scan another time...
And i have seen him pour webbing on guys without impact but again I need time to get that scan so...