Originally posted by marvelprinceSpider-man isnt a martial arts master of any style, unlike both Daredevil and Elektra. Spider-man relies on speed and agilitly, while Wolverine is a master of vituallly all forms of martial arts and fighting. He's considered the most dangerous and proficent fighter in all of Marvel Universe.
Yea, he's thrown down with the Hulk. Yet he also has a hell of a time throwning down with Elektra, Daredevil etc.
I can agree Peter is smarter at some levels, but fighting experience and tactical skills hes not even close to wolverines level. Wolverines fought number of times against opponents that you cant use the same moves more than once. Such as ( Sentinels, Nimrod, Shiva)
I dont think Spider-man has the endurance, he maybe strong but doesnt mean he's body is more durable. Wolverine with reinforced adamantium bones and claws will cut, bruise and break Peter with every touch. Wolverine just keeps coming if it takes 1 hour or 16 hours, he wont quit or tire.
Originally posted by sapphiremouse
Spider-man isnt a martial arts master of any style, unlike both Daredevil and Elektra. Spider-man relies on speed and agilitly, while Wolverine is a master of vituallly all forms of martial arts and fighting. He's considered the most dangerous and proficent fighter in all of Marvel Universe.I can agree Peter is smarter at some levels, but fighting experience and tactical skills hes not even close to wolverines level. Wolverines fought number of times against opponents that you cant use the same moves more than once. Such as ( Sentinels, Nimrod, Shiva)
I dont think Spider-man has the endurance, he maybe strong but doesnt mean he's body is more durable. Wolverine with reinforced adamantium bones and claws will cut, bruise and break Peter with every touch. Wolverine just keeps coming if it takes 1 hour or 16 hours, he wont quit or tire.
Yea...I wasn't arguing about Spider-Man's level of skill. It was a simple strength matter response. Don't act as if nothing short of Hulk punches can hurt Logna. And Spider-Man is by no means as skilled as Elektra or Daredevil but he still beats them due to his superior attributes
Originally posted by marvelprince
Yea...I wasn't arguing about Spider-Man's level of skill. It was a simple strength matter response. Don't act as if nothing short of Hulk punches can hurt Logna. And Spider-Man is by no means as skilled as Elektra or Daredevil but he still beats them due to his superior attributes
darredevil and electra dont have superhealing though, that makes a BIG difference
Originally posted by masterbruce
darredevil and electra dont have superhealing though, that makes a BIG difference
But they have both still given Logan a good fight, hell DD stunned Logan with a weight in "Enemy of the State" so I can't see why Spider-man's punches won't do the same, with a punch, which would also have alot more force to it.
Originally posted by Sparkz
But they have both still given Logan a good fight, hell DD stunned Logan with a weight in "Enemy of the State" so I can't see why Spider-man's punches won't do the same, with a punch, which would also have alot more force to it.
spiderman ahs failed repeatedly to hurt logan. He really can not KO him with out Logan allowing spiderman to constantly pound on him
Originally posted by Sparkz
But they have both still given Logan a good fight, hell DD stunned Logan with a weight in "Enemy of the State" so I can't see why Spider-man's punches won't do the same, with a punch, which would also have alot more force to it.
I can....
especially when you consider how many times logan's taken brick shots, or shots from spiderman himself with virtually no effect...
I don't think that the dumbbell necessarily hurt logan, or stunned him through blunt force... rather I imagine that the blow simply unscrambled a bit of his mind control (which it did), logan didn't say that the blow hurt him, and losing balance while tripping over dead ninja bodies isn't an impossibility... he did however comment on dd knocking some of the mond control lose.
anywho... I don't know why dd and elektra are brought up as negatives for logan, the only time either of these two have gotten the upper hand on logan was through circumstance that they wouldn't otherwise have ... here anyways.. or through ennis' horrible excuse for writing...
but it's like people are forgetting that dd regularly gives spiderman a hard time regardless of circumstance, and elektra flat out humiliated him... I don't get why they only apply to wolverine as negatives and not spiderman.. 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
I can....especially when you consider how many times logan's taken brick shots, or shots from spiderman himself with virtually no effect...
I don't think that the dumbbell necessarily hurt logan, or stunned him through blunt force... rather I imagine that the blow simply unscrambled a bit of his mind control (which it did), logan didn't say that the blow hurt him, and losing balance while tripping over dead ninja bodies isn't an impossibility... he did however comment on dd knocking some of the mond control lose.
anywho... I don't know why dd and elektra are brought up as negatives for logan, the only time either of these two have gotten the upper hand on logan was through circumstance that they wouldn't otherwise have ... here anyways.. or through ennis' horrible excuse for writing...
but it's like people are forgetting that dd regularly gives spiderman a hard time regardless of circumstance, and elektra flat out humiliated him... I don't get why they only apply to wolverine as negatives and not spiderman.. 😕
So just to get it straight. When Elektra embarassed Spider-Man its fine but when Daredevil does it to Wolverine its terrible writing?
And you also seem to overlook the fact that in every DD/SM fight there are outside circumstances (like Peter angry and irrational, or under mind control), but when he's in a good state of mind and embarasses Daredevil it doesn't count?
Originally posted by marvelprince
So just to get it straight. When Elektra embarassed Spider-Man its fine but when Daredevil does it to Wolverine its terrible writing?And you also seem to overlook the fact that in every DD/SM fight there are outside circumstances (like Peter angry and irrational, or under mind control), but when he's in a good state of mind and embarasses Daredevil it doesn't count?
He never actaully embarressed DD before. Hell he never defeat DD before.
What DD did to Logan goes against Logans character. It was also written by E nis and not only cou nterdicted logans powers, but counterdicted what Logan did in that run.
Logan heals instantly from beeing turn to a skeleton and yet a neck shot took him down in the same issue? does that make sense too you?
Originally posted by capt it up
He never actaully embarressed DD before. Hell he never defeat DD before.What DD did to Logan goes against Logans character. It was also written by E nis and not only cou nterdicted logans powers, but counterdicted what Logan did in that run.
Logan heals instantly from beeing turn to a skeleton and yet a neck shot took him down in the same issue? does that make sense too you?
Nope and thats my point. Can't have it both ways
Originally posted by jinzin
I can....especially when you consider how many times logan's taken brick shots, or shots from spiderman himself with virtually no effect...
I don't think that the dumbbell necessarily hurt logan, or stunned him through blunt force... rather I imagine that the blow simply unscrambled a bit of his mind control (which it did), logan didn't say that the blow hurt him, and losing balance while tripping over dead ninja bodies isn't an impossibility... he did however comment on dd knocking some of the mond control lose.
anywho... I don't know why dd and elektra are brought up as negatives for logan, the only time either of these two have gotten the upper hand on logan was through circumstance that they wouldn't otherwise have ... here anyways.. or through ennis' horrible excuse for writing...
but it's like people are forgetting that dd regularly gives spiderman a hard time regardless of circumstance, and elektra flat out humiliated him... I don't get why they only apply to wolverine as negatives and not spiderman.. 😕
So Logans been hit by powerhouses with little or no effect, so has Spider-Man, but when they fight people who shouldnt be able to hurt them with blunt force they do. Spidey has also been hit by the Hulk and got straight back up, Yet DD has Ko'd him before.
And i thought the sword going through logans chest unscrambled some mind control, but I suppose its more feesable to say the weight did it.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Nope and thats my point. Can't have it both ways
No were not using an issue that not only was it just wrong, but it was wirtten by ennis.
so wait you want us to allow it? You do realize logan defeat spiderman in that issue right?
also were nto syaing all the fights DD had with spiderman were accurate how ever it happen more then ounce. Logan how ever happen ounce and it was against logan said abilities and never should have worked. I can even prove it not beign possiable with comic issues