Originally posted by Sparkz
Can your rephrase that lolAnd yeah maybe the scorpion thing is BS, but I don't think they are at such a big gap in there powers for that not to happen.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Peter Parker Spider-Man vol. 2 #14, I'm pretty sure Spidey took a whuppin from Hulk, and was still standing, and he was bloodlusted because Mary Jane was feared dead.Then there's ASM 382, where he took a Thunderclap from a near mindless Hulk and got back up a page later.
Pretty sure Spidey is darn durable.
you gotta give me an issue for the first one and title
Originally posted by capt it up
He was moving forward got hit in the nose/head and was caught by surprise thinking DD down for the count. He also clearly tripped over the foot in panel 4 you can see it.Why does this matter? I wondering why this means any thing?
Lol I don't know to be honest I think I was trying to find a fight where DD effected Logan and this was the only fight I could find without going into an in deapth search.
Yeah he probaly did trip over the foot or was supposed to, but to be picky with the artwork his foot just seems to far away...
Originally posted by marvelprince
So just to get it straight. When Elektra embarassed Spider-Man its fine but when Daredevil does it to Wolverine its terrible writing?
lol, exactly....😐
j/k
no my friend that's not what I wished to imply, or the idea I meant to communicate...
But in reply to your question, Daredevil beating wolverine is not terrible writing, you misunderstand...
Anything about marvel superheroes written by ennis is terrible writing.
I call terrible writing upon DD's neck chop to wolverine's throat, based on the entire story arch, not just that single incident. Ennis, admittedly adds his own bias against superheroes in his stories.. he doesn't like superpowered superhumans, he thinks they're stupid and thus doesn't portray them very well.
In the same arch spiderman's spidersense is completely faked out by something that's not even a danger to him,
hulk is rendered unconcious by the punisher.
wolverine while getting dropped by dd, stands up to having his entire torso and legs blown away to the skeleton and staying concious, he gets his face blown off with a shotgun anf keeps fighting, he gets run over by a steamroller and gets pissed off, he gets blasted by hulk accross a state line and hops the next train back to the fight after landing...
but a nutshot puts him out? a throat chop take him down?
another thing I find humerous, is the fact that while ennis' portrayal of DD taking out wolverine with one throat chop is used by many spidey supporters ( not necessarily you but others), they forget that in this same arch wolverine flattens spidey and no sells his webbing.
the inconsistences with the characters not withstanding, ennis couldn't even keep consistencies in his own story arch, his story reads like a sizemogram goin off the scale... that's why it's bad writing...
I don't have a problem with people bringing it up either, but let's not forget that story arch wasn't JUST embarassing for wolverine.
Originally posted by marvelprince
And you also seem to overlook the fact that in every DD/SM fight there are outside circumstances (like Peter angry and irrational, or under mind control), but when he's in a good state of mind and embarasses Daredevil it doesn't count?
I never said that either, you're just assuming such,
however, lets not forget that daredevil HAS fought spiderman without anger or mind control at play, and spiderman got billy clubed within 5 minutes of the fight.
daredevil's toe to toed it with a normal spiderman, he's layed out a bloodlusted spiderman, you can't say the same about him vs. wolverine though unless you bring up the ennis feat, which brings us full circle to wolverine pounding spidey in that very same INCIDENT much less same story arch.
Originally posted by Sparkz
Man that sucks, I love fights between DD and Spidey though I don't always agree with them I still find they are 1 of the best Hero vs hero fights, specialy the older ones.
Sad thing is spiderman is my second favorit hero
Originally posted by Sparkz
Lol I don't know to be honest I think I was trying to find a fight where DD effected Logan and this was the only fight I could find without going into an in deapth search.Yeah he probaly did trip over the foot or was supposed to, but to be picky with the artwork his foot just seems to far away...
it clearly the writter ment for logan to tripp and tghe art was a little off
Originally posted by capt it up
why would scorpion hur thim self on spiderman? there no reason for it. Not to mention spiderman was fine from the hit which is even dumber
Actually Spider-man was Ko'd after that hit, probaly cause that was the only hit Scorpion gave Spidey going all out and forgot that Spidey is quiet durable. And Scorpion gave a reason, Spider-man's muscles are strong and dense, thats why it hurt.
Originally posted by Sparkz
Actually Spider-man was Ko'd after that hit, probaly cause that was the only hit Scorpion gave Spidey going all out and forgot that Spidey is quiet durable. And Scorpion gave a reason, Spider-man's muscles are strong and dense, thats why it hurt.
Originally posted by capt it up
ya there enjoyable though I agree spiderman should take DD around 8/10 how ever I tend to back DD more often not becuase I think he wins I just hate how some spiderman fans talk out there @$$ and over rate spiderman and underate DD.Sad thing is spiderman is my second favorit hero
I noticed that DD is very underated on these boards, don't think I'v ever seen him take the majority in a fight yet lol.
Yeah I usually back Spidey in the argument but I give DD a couple of wins cause he has proven he can take advantage of situations.
Originally posted by Sparkz
So Logans been hit by powerhouses with little or no effect, so has Spider-Man, but when they fight people who shouldnt be able to hurt them with blunt force they do. Spidey has also been hit by the Hulk and got straight back up, Yet DD has Ko'd him before.
dd is SKILLED enough to compensate for his lack of strength, dd putting spiderman down with hits is not as implausible as you seem to be implying it to be here.
Here's the thing? when as spiderman gotten right back up from being hit by hulk?
How many times can he get up?
From what I've seen spiderman's been plastered by one hit from hulk, used by hulk like a club to bash green goblin into unconciousness, even rendered inactive by a hulk thunderclap...
spiderman standing up to hulk shots is not NEAR a standard for him
wolverine standing up to hulk shot IS.
in any case we're straying from the point to this reply. you can't assume that the evidence in wolverine's favor doesn't account for much, much stronger characters than spidey try to KO logan and remain unsuccessful, spidey's tried to KO logan or hurt him with force 4 or 5 times now, has logan ever been KOed?
I haven't seen it.. what's to assume he will?
Originally posted by SparkzI'm pretty sure the sword didn't do anything but....hurt.
And i thought the sword going through logans chest unscrambled some mind control, but I suppose its more feesable to say the weight did it.
Originally posted by capt it up
thunder clapp would have fried his ear drums.you gotta give me an issue for the first one and title
I gave issue numbers for both of them. You may wanna re-read my initial post.
You can say Wolverine is more durable. Go ahead. I think the two are relatively close, but Wolverine has a bit of an edge because of his healing factor. It's not like Spidey isn't in the close ballpark when it comes to taking damage. Look at the beatings he's taken at Venom's hands.
Originally posted by Sparkz
Its pretty obviouse he has it when Scorpion hurt his hands on Spidey, and some thugs nearly broke their hands on his stomach, and the fact he can take shots from characters with Super strength.I think Spidey could take a full on shot from the Hulk though as long as there wasn't anything behind him to be crushed to, if he was just punched and Knocked through the air I think he'd be ok, well not ok but he'd survive.
at this point I'd just like to say that scorpion has no formal training, thugs PROBABLY have no formal training.. if you don't know the right way to throw a punch (and surprisingly a lot of people don't), then there's actually a pretty high possibility of you hurting yourself more than what you're hitting.
scorpion breaking his hand doesn't validate a whole lot, for one, scorpions not a trained fighter like cap or dd, he doesn't know how and where to hit for optimum efficieny
and two, he's an idiot....
Originally posted by capt it up
thunder clapp would have fried his ear drums.you gotta give me an issue for the first one and title
peter Parker Spider-man Vol 2 14 Denial, Pete took a back hand from Hulk then Pete pounded on the Hulk as hard as he could for a while and Knackered his hands, well he tore his gloves and his hands were bleeding.
Hulk also smashed him into a wall and started strangling him with his figures before he decided to leave Spidey alone, but Spidey carried on fighting. All in all it was a very well done Spidey vs hulk fight, Spidey held his own but it was quite clear he wasn't going to beat Hulk.
Originally posted by jinzin
dd is SKILLED enough to compensate for his lack of strength, dd putting spiderman down with hits is not as implausible as you seem to be implying it to be here.Here's the thing? when as spiderman gotten right back up from being hit by hulk?
How many times can he get up?
From what I've seen spiderman's been plastered by one hit from hulk, used by hulk like a club to bash green goblin into unconciousness, even rendered inactive by a hulk thunderclap...
spiderman standing up to hulk shots is not NEAR a standard for him
wolverine standing up to hulk shot IS.in any case we're straying from the point to this reply. you can't assume that the evidence in wolverine's favor doesn't account for much, much stronger characters than spidey try to KO logan and remain unsuccessful, spidey's tried to KO logan or hurt him with force 4 or 5 times now, has logan ever been KOed?
I haven't seen it.. what's to assume he will?
I'm pretty sure the sword didn't do anything but....hurt.
Lol have they fought 4 or 5 times?? As far as i know Spidey's taken a shot from the Hulk (the fight I just described) and got straight back up, there may be more but I don't know at this point I'll have to look through their fights again.
But anyway the main reason I think Spidey can KO Logan is because if he can get a good barrage of punches its gonna affect Logan quite abit more than one punch that knocks him flying, or at least thats what i would have thought
Originally posted by jinzin
at this point I'd just like to say that scorpion has no formal training, thugs PROBABLY have no formal training.. if you don't know the right way to throw a punch (and surprisingly a lot of people don't), then there's actually a pretty high possibility of you hurting yourself more than what you're hitting.scorpion breaking his hand doesn't validate a whole lot, for one, scorpions not a trained fighter like cap or dd, he doesn't know how and where to hit for optimum efficieny
and two, he's an idiot....
Well some of the thugs I'm thinking of look like they have been trained in basic combat, but some of them are just gangsters who work for the Kingpin, would have though these people would know how to punch.
As for Scorpion yeah he probaly dosn't know how to throw a punch lol.
Originally posted by Sparkz
Lol have they fought 4 or 5 times?? As far as i know Spidey's taken a shot from the Hulk (the fight I just described) and got straight back up, there may be more but I don't know at this point I'll have to look through their fights again.But anyway the main reason I think Spidey can KO Logan is because if he can get a good barrage of punches its gonna affect Logan quite abit more than one punch that knocks him flying, or at least thats what i would have thought
they've fought a number of times..
the fights are almost entirely consistent. spiderman hops around trying to stop hulk.. hulk lands a shot and spidey almost gets KOed or killed...
same thing happened in the early amazing spidey issues.. like 120 something or another....
that's what I would have thought too, you know.. until I saw their graveyard fight. 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
they've fought a number of times..the fights are almost entirely consistent. spiderman hops around trying to stop hulk.. hulk lands a shot and spidey almost gets KOed or killed...
same thing happened in the early amazing spidey issues.. like 120 something or another....
that's what I would have thought too, you know.. until I saw their graveyard fight. 😕
In ASM 120 Spidey took one hell of a beating. You're thinking maybe of an earlier issue, around when they fought in Canada.