Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by masterbruce
1) You can match this one?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/Spider%20SpeednAgility/SpiderSpeed2.jpg

Spiderman jumping across the room, whoopity doo!

Not only did Spider-Man completely avoid all the obstacles/traps in the Avengers mansion/tower (I forget which one), he also moved so fast that NOT one of the highly-trained guards OR Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch could get a visual on him. Not even HAWKEYE could tell who it was infiltrating their base. That's not impressive? Could Wolverine do the same?

(Cue the scan of Wolverine dashing through several soldiers and cutting their guns before they could react)

Originally posted by masterbruce
4) And you don't think this is impressive at all?
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dodge2rz5.jpg
Spidey able to dodge what seems to be rapid-fire laser shots, greatly aided by what appears to be a sophisticated targeting system, AND being only a good five feet away from the shooter. That's a high speed and agility feat.

We never said Spiderman isn't impressive...he is. but that doesn't mean Logan can't tag him.

Clearly you missed the point. Could Wolverine honestly perform this feat the exact same way?

Originally posted by masterbruce
5) Here's your combat speed feat
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6425964
Notice how his hands/arms are blurring and there are multiple images of them as well. Hell, it's a strength feat, too. He's cracking the hell out of Titanium Man's armor. Ya know, composed of Titanium.

his hands are hardly 'blurring', you're seeing things through fanboyvision. Cracking titanium armor is impressive, but titanium ain't jack compared to adamantium.

...Okay. That's just bad. Even for you. "his hands are hardly 'blurring'". Did you even look at it? Or are you just blind? His hands and arms are CLEARLY blurring. That's not my opinion. It's RIGHT there on the page. And there's three of each arm! Jeez. I feel like pounding my hand with a hammer would be more productive than attempting to learn you in the ways of common sense.

Originally posted by masterbruce
so because I don't read comics, I can't critique the mighty and infallible metalmanx?? great logic 🙄

Originally posted by masterbruce
having comics give your opinions credibilty as it shows you understand the context of what you post...and context is VERY important

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Does this mean that your opinion means little to nothing since you don't even read comics?

And by the way, I do own a pretty decent amount comics. They're just not always applicable to the thread in which I am posting.

Originally posted by Soleran
Lol, I don't even see Spiderman struggling or looking even the slightest concerned. You're over analyzing that sequence of events but yet again thank you.

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your so bias it funny.

spiderman web's wolverine and wolverine does not even pop his claws and yet you find it fine. yet wolverine doing a similar thing to spiderman and it eman's spiderman was nto struglling? how bais cna you get?

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Uhh, ...

jinzin ....

I don't know if you've ever read Spider-Man...

but he lives in a C-I-T-Y, which by definition is filled with buildings (and therefore walls) and cars, because that is how people get around in cities...

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uhhh dreampanther I don't know if you've ever read the forum rules.. but....

THESE FIGHTS TAKE PLACE IN AN ARENA SETTING UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED... imbecile.

Originally posted by Sparkz
Again those points I made were just a point I was trying to make about it all being speculation not saying Spider-man moved so fast Wolverine couldnt react, sorry if anyone got the wrong impression.

Now i don't agree that Wolverine would be able to close a gap with Spider-man when Spidey is constantly moving and firing webbing, after all Wolverine would have to be 1 moving faster than Spider-man and completely out manouver all the webbing to get to him, which i don't see happening, will it be easy for Spidey to web him up this way, no, is it possible, yes.

i don't think he necessarily has to negotiate the webbing to get to spiderman though.. people have shredded it bypassing it completely nailing spidey....

again BP's done it, wolverine himself has done it... I don't see this as so much a non option here. 😬

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I feel like pounding my hand with a hammer would be more productive than attempting to learn you in the ways of common sense.

ok, you're right, his arms are blurring...didn't see that at first. still don't think its that impressive though since anyone can blur their hands if they move it fast.

I looked at the avengers room pic more carefully and yeah I guess it is pretty impressive that Hawkeye couldn't spot him.

Originally posted by Soleran
Wow, no kidding, good job Sparkz, you [b]GOT IT, lol

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Seriously Jinzin I'm not going to post a dissertation on this, Wolverine was webbed and incapacitated from two feet away and couldn't get out, just think about that. Especially when considering Wolverine's "speed." [/B]

cause you don't have a proper argument.

one: you're wrong, since wolverine DID get out... 😐

two: if you're going to ignore context then you're only proving your one sided bias here for what it really is.

Originally posted by masterbruce
ok, you're right, his arms are blurring...didn't see that at first. still don't think its that impressive though since anyone can blur their hands if they move it fast.

I looked at the avengers room pic more carefully and yeah I guess it is pretty impressive that Hawkeye couldn't spot him.

...There's THREE images of his arms. You don't think that's fast? 😑

Honestly though, glad to see that you're using reason and logic now. Really, it shows a lot about you. 🙂 👆

Originally posted by capt it up
so are you trying to say spiderman let him self be slammed in to a tree and made totaly defensless?

your so bias it funny.

spiderman web's wolverine and wolverine does not even pop his claws and yet you find it fine. yet wolverine doing a similar thing to spiderman and it eman's spiderman was nto struglling? how bais cna you get?

I'm not biased against Wolverine.

I'm biased agaisnt your interpretive analysis of said events with Wolverine.

In your scan I don't see Spiderman struggling one bit, not once, not even flinching. Keep up the good work though 😉

cause you don't have a proper argument.

one: you're wrong, since wolverine DID get out... no expression

two: if you're going to ignore context then you're only proving your one sided bias here for what it really is.

I am simply stating the facts and not making excuses like some folks around here, I don't need to argue, Wolverine was webbed up and incapacitated from two feet away from Spiderman, period.

Oh I'm so sorry on the literal interpretation there Jinzin, Wolverine could get out after he was left alone and had to let the webs weaken.

The only thing people are ignoring is the fact Wolverine was webbed from TWO feet away and didn't/couldn't stop it. With all of the "speed" feats posted for Wolverine you need to sit back and just admit Spiderman was faster then Wolverine to web him up like that. If you don't see that then the bias falls on your shoulders not mine.

Originally posted by marvelprince
Not fact. To believe what you said means that I would have to envision Wolverine readily accepting his position of being trapped and gladly remaining there until he determined its time to move. Didn't read that way to me

Originally posted by marvelprince
Why yes I do. Thanks for asking. I don't seem to remember exactly passing out from exhaustion prior to reaching Spider-Man though

then you are to imply he was uneffected?

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Originally posted by marvelprince
Nope, but he certainly wasn't running on empty.

no not on empty.. sure.. but near 100%? no...

near 100% enough for it to be relivant to a healthy 100% wolverine who's FIGHTING spiderman in THIS thread? certainly not.

Originally posted by Soleran

I am simply stating the facts and not making excuses like some folks around here, I don't need to argue, Wolverine was webbed up and incapacitated from two feet away from Spiderman, period.

Oh I'm so sorry on the literal interpretation there Jinzin, Wolverine could get out after he was left alone and had to let the webs weaken.

The only thing people are ignoring is the fact Wolverine was webbed from [b]TWO feet away and didn't/couldn't stop it. With all of the "speed" feats posted for Wolverine you need to sit back and just admit Spiderman was faster then Wolverine to web him up like that. If you don't see that then the bias falls on your shoulders not mine. [/B]

wrong again, there was no indication that the webs were severely weakened or even that wolverine had to wait for them to weaken so that's just speculation all over again.

and it's only "period" if you ignore context completely.. but since you seem fine with that then there's really no reason to debate this furthur with you..

the only "period" here is that you're bias.. period.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...There's THREE images of his arms. You don't think that's fast? 😑

Honestly though, glad to see that you're using reason and logic now. Really, it shows a lot about you. 🙂 👆

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Uh...Spider-Man got stronger. He started off as a 15-year-old kid. He got older, he filled out more, he got stronger. Out of most comics, that makes the most sense.

What was the Disassembled upgrade again?

it was when he hatched from a spider egg, he got faster, stronger, and organic webbing.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
What I find interesting is how the "fatigue" argument is used when Wolverine has a bad showing. But when Hulk hits him with a full-power punch, he's hardly phased. 🙄

I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. 🤨 honestly...

if you think being blasted by an omega level mutant isn't going to effect a person.. even wolverine.. then.. just: 🤨

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And we've also seen Spidey move much faster on many more occasions then he does with his fights against Wolverine.

which means nothing since we've seen wolverine move faster than he does in his fights with spiderman.. 😐

Originally posted by Metalmanx
2 seconds? I remember it taking a bit longer than that. Minutes at the VERY least. 😬

after his wrist was free? cause if that's the case you remember wrong.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If he could've just flicked his wrist to freedom, then he wouldn't have even been in the webbing long enough for his long monologue-bubbles.

Originally posted by X-Logan
Now THIS is move your hands fast.

Hm. Not fast enough it seems. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
it was when he hatched from a spider egg, he got faster, stronger, and organic webbing.

I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. 🤨 honestly...

if you think being blasted by an omega level mutant isn't going to effect a person.. even wolverine.. then.. just: 🤨

which means nothing since we've seen wolverine move faster than he does in his fights with spiderman.. 😐

after his wrist was free? cause if that's the case you remember wrong.

but he did flick his wrists to freedom, so it's illogical to say he couldn't.. 😐
the reason why he was there long enough for monologue bubbles? speculation: so i won't get into it.

Flick of the wrist = Figure of speech. Sorry for the confusion.

And I never said after the wrist was free. I said that it took him a while to get his wrist free in the first place.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
You can match this one?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/Spider%20SpeednAgility/SpiderSpeed2.jpg

Here a feat that is if not more impressive

Wolverine issue 40: Wolverine well carrying a girl , dodges beams many beams of deadly light.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
And your right. I don't have the comics. I sure wish I did though. Although I was not aware that one of the requirements for posting your knowledgable opinion was to actually own the comics... 😕

Originally posted by Metalmanx
As good as Wolverine's speed feats are, Spider-Man's have been superior.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dodge2rz5.jpg
Spidey able to dodge what seems to be rapid-fire laser shots, greatly aided by what appears to be a sophisticated targeting system, AND being only a good five feet away from the shooter. That's a high speed and agility feat.

Here one that matches it.
Marvel Team Up Spider-Man And Wolverine issue 117: Wolverine using his agility and reflex and fighting skill takes out army warrior’s while dodging lasers, which is even mentioned in the text. There was a 100 of them and he was dodging some fo there laser fire form 2 feet away.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Here's your combat speed feat
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6425964

Not to mention that guy in your feat was paid off by iron man and was suppose to lose lol. What a great feat.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Another?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6823461
I have yet to see Wolverien ever maneuver so easily that way against an opponent before.

X-Men What Price Victory?! Issue 102: Wolverine speed blitzes Domina hitting her repeatedly so fast and hard she could not react to the onslaught.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Hm. Not fast enough it seems. 😐

[QUOTE=8336384]Originally posted by Soleran
[B]I'm not biased against Wolverine.

I'm biased agaisnt your interpretive analysis of said events with Wolverine.

In your scan I don't see Spiderman struggling one bit, not once, not even flinching. Keep up the good work though 😉

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your so bias it unbelievable. So your trying to tell me spiderman elt him do it?

ya and spiderman was really strugglign when spiderman did it you know he was swtruggling so much he did not even pop his claws 🙄

well that's what I'm saying once he had a free wrist one flick/ 2 seconds and he was out..

if he tried that during the webbing he wouldn't have been there in the first place...

I could give a plethora of reasons for why he allowed such a slip up, but again.. they'd all be speculation so...

in any case, I'm not quite sure what this MJ nonsense is..

so what? spiderman's scored one hotty in his entire life and he was lucky to have her.. and he knows it too!

I mean that's not that big of a deal...

black cat doesn't count.. she's literally begged peter to put his mask BACK ON.. 😂

and qwen.. well.. she was a ****.. she banged norman osborn... 😬

wolverine?

scored with elektra, yuriko, mariko, mystique, silver fox,

had a fling with storm, jean grey... shall I continue?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

wrong again, there was no indication that the webs were severely weakened or even that wolverine had to wait for them to weaken so that's just speculation all over again.

Can you read those bubbles that specifically state Wolverine saying "As soon as the webbing dissolves," or how about "I don't even know how long this stuff lasts."

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/10185_827-wolverine-vs-spider-man

Did you even freakin know that you quoted that picture as well and now you are saying there is no mention of webs weakening? Derp, Derp, Derp yeah that's kinda what I thought, your paragraph is just another useless instrument you are flailing around with.

and it's only "period" if you ignore context completely.. but since you seem fine with that then there's really no reason to debate this furthur with you..

the only "period" here is that you're bias.. period.

Yeah it is "period" and I guess you did completely ignore the text but this is something I have learned to expect, so at least I wasn't let down.

Pot Kettle Black, thanks though 😉