Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Clearly you didn't understand the point then. Unfortunately, I have no time to discuss it anymore tonight. Maybe tomorrow.

And no, capt. As much as you would love to believe it, I don't ignore your scans. And I've been giving reasons left and right as to why they aren't as good as Spidey's, which you just seem to ignore honestly. I've given my reasons as to why they aren't and that Spidey's are better, meaning that I don't feel that you've matched them. You can get mad all you want, but Wolverine's speed feats just don't seem comparable to Spider-Man's.

I, too, am a fact-based debator. I don't make wide speculations concerning outcomes of fights.

you know I did not mean the fact based thing as an insult to you lol. when I ment fact based debater that all I use is evidence I can not with out evidence effectivly debate

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...pinch

Yes.

Are Wolverine's?

You do know that kraven has defeated spiderman on numerous of occasions in hand to hand but you all tend to use the fact that spiderman is faster and stronger than wolverine but spiderman lose daily to people that is slower than him and weaker and have less agility feats.

Originally posted by capt it up
It hard to believe when you pretty much think every one beats him.

The respect thread’s take every thing out of context that a fact.

Yet you once asked me not to use scans form the respect thread which was funny since you use them more then I ever due since I rather just post the issue number and title since there better references

I don't think everyone beats him. I think that MOST of the combatants he's pitted against on the forums can beat him. But by no means do I feel that everyone can.

I know that Wolverine would beat (I'm just pulling these out of my ass):
-Batman
-Moon Knight
-Elektra
-Punisher
-Shocker
-Nightwing
-Batgirl
-Araña
-Arclight
-Armadillo
-Avalanche
-X-23
-Wasp
-Wildchild
-Pete Wisdom
-Toad
-Vargas

And that's enough for now. But that should tide you over for a bit.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I don't think everyone beats him. I think that MOST of the combatants he's pitted against on the forums can beat him. But by no means do I feel that everyone can.

I know that Wolverine would beat (I'm just pulling these out of my ass):
-Batman
-Moon Knight
-Elektra
-Punisher
-Shocker
-Nightwing
-Batgirl
-Araña
-Arclight
-Armadillo
-Avalanche
-X-23
-Wasp
-Wildchild
-Pete Wisdom
-Toad
-Vargas

And that's enough for now. But that should tide you over for a bit.

at least we were able to change your view slightly

Originally posted by capt it up
no you havent you have said they are not as good or say some lame thign which me jinzin or srank quickly counter.

you know I did not mean the fact based thing as an insult to you lol. when I ment fact based debater that all I use is evidence I can not with out evidence effectivly debate

So because you, jin, or srank "counter" it, it makes it null and void?

But I thought you said (and I quote) "Just becuase some agree with you does not make it true."

Well now I'm just confused. lookaround

Originally posted by Metalmanx
So because you, jin, or srank "counter" it, it makes it null and void?

But I thought you said (and I quote) "Just becuase some agree with you does not make it true."

Well now I'm just confused. lookaround

there no reason there better. The feat's I match them with are at least equal.

please put a feat down and I will match it right now and then explain to me how it is not equal

Originally posted by capt it up
if I look i n threads I can more then likly pull out 3 or more of those character were you said they take the majority over wolverine

You can? Any of them within the past six months you can do that with?

Originally posted by capt it up
at least we were able to change your view slightly

It is unfortunate that I cannot say the same just yet. 🙁

And honestly, it really wasn't that I was "convinced" by you or the others, but more that I learned more about the respective combatants, found more feats from the two, and then re-evaluated my decision.

Originally posted by capt it up
again I not the perso n who goes psiderman feats are better jsut because I am bias as hell.

there no reason there better. The feat's I match them with are at least equal.

please put a feat down and I will match it right now and then explain to me how it is not equal

Nor am I that person, capt.

Are you so blind that you can't see that you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing? 🙁

You feel that Wolverine's feats are equal/superior. I don't call you biased (at least not to your face, most of the time at least).

There is, too, reason that Spidey's are better. Simply because they are more impressive. Spider-Man performs feats that Wolverine could do not do. That makes them more impressive.

Fine. I know I've used this one before, but you never convinced me. Maybe I'll use more later.

http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dodge2rz5.jpg

Match this one.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Nor am I that person, capt.

Are you so blind that you can't see that you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing? 🙁

You feel that Wolverine's feats are equal/superior. I don't call you biased (at least not to your face, most of the time at least).

There is, too, reason that Spidey's are better. Simply because they are more impressive. Spider-Man performs feats that Wolverine could do not do. That makes them more impressive.

Fine. I know I've used this one before, but you never convinced me. Maybe I'll use more later.

http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dodge2rz5.jpg

Match this one.

That fact is you are. I sayign logan are as equal becuase they are yet you denie it.

Marvel Team Up Spider-Man And Wolverine issue 117: Wolverine using his agility and reflex and fighting skill takes out army of warriors while dodging lasers, which is even mentioned in the text. He had laser shot a thim from 2 feat away from many dirrecting and yet they could not hit him.

Originally posted by capt it up
That fact is you are. I sayign logan are as equal becuase they are eyt you denie it.
Marvel Team Up Spider-Man And Wolverine issue 117: Wolverine using his agility and reflex and fighting skill takes out army of warriors while dodging lasers, which is even mentioned in the text. He had laser shot a thim from a2 feat away from any dirrecting and yet they could not hit him.

The fact is I'm not. I'm saying Spidey's are superior because they are you deny it.

^ See? I can say the same thing. How come when I say it, I'm ignoring you? But when you say it, you're just being right?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
The fact is I'm not. I'm saying Spidey's are superior because they are you deny it.

^ See? I can say the same thing. How come when I say it, I'm ignoring you? But when you say it, you're just being right?

http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=29817cz.gif
-Dodging simultaneous blasts from a guy named Chance, who has a suit equipped with a targeting computer.

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http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=42526ha.gif
-Dodging a blood-lusted Electro.

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http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=38546it.png
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-Vs. The Jury. All in high-tech battle suits.

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http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=38334po.gif
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-Same deal, pretty much.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3615/34op.jpg
-Owning Absorbing Man with amazing speed and agility.

Eh. That's good for now. I'm gonna get back to work (hopefully). Talk to you tomorrow, capt.

Originally posted by capt it up
becuase you have no evidence. I have yet to fail to match a feat it not my fault you ignore it

That literally doesn't make any sense.

I post evidence like it's my job. And I explain why it's superior. And just say "no, it's not" and then list your reasons.

My evidence is perfectly sound, and I've never ignored yours. I just don't agree. Not agreeing and ignoring are two completely different things, capt. I know you're smart enough to know this.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That literally doesn't make any sense.

I post evidence like it's my job. And I explain why it's superior. And just say "no, it's not" and then list your reasons.

My evidence is perfectly sound, and I've never ignored yours. I just don't agree. Not agreeing and ignoring are two completely different things, capt. I know you're smart enough to know this.

In all fairness I think you do ignore evidence. The fact that in the Spiderman vs Cap thread your still coming out witrh stuff like Cap shouldnt be able to hurt Spiderman show you havent been listening to what anybody has said.

Ive been looking at some of the scans and it seems what jinzin was saying is correct. Wolverine can actually do well against Spiderman. I will post my opinions later.

Originally posted by jinzin
sure read that way to me... considering that he didn't go to drastic measures to free himself until he decided that the webbing was taking to long to simply desolve. 😬

Or as I read it he simply had to wait for the webbing to weaken before could do anything

Originally posted by jinzin
then you are to imply he was uneffected?

Did you even read what I said. I said he wasn't at 100. How does that translate to full power Wolverine? 😬

Originally posted by jinzin
no not on empty.. sure.. but near 100%? no...

near 100% enough for it to be relivant to a healthy 100% wolverine who's FIGHTING spiderman in THIS thread? certainly not.

Wow, my point went waay over your head. I'm not even using that scan to prove who would win the fight, simply that Wolverine is vulnerable to webbing. Which if you take a look at the picture you can see that he his 😄

Originally posted by Martian_mind
There is no evidence to support that he can do that with organic sadly.
Organic webbing must be self-made by some internal organ or body part,and this body part must take damage like any other if over-used,So if he is capable of making that with Organic he would either be exhausted or cause himself severe harm.What good is it to have webbed up the Wolverine if he collapses afterwards?He is unconscious and Wolvy is still Conscious slowly getting out of the webbing,If Wolverine gets out before he wakes up Spidey is dead.This is assuming Spidey can do it,but he has no feats with organic webbing that say he can,and therefore the strategy should be considered null until further evidence is shown,and my statistics still stand.

This doesn't make sense to me. Organic webbing has been shown to be the equivalent of Peter's web cartridges many times but you say that he can't replicate the feat even though we've nothing to indicate that he can't. Thats pure speculation on your part that he would pass out or los consciousness. Imo, worst case scenario is that he just runs out.

Originally posted by carver9
Answer this Metalmanx, is spiderman speed, agility, and strength superior than kraven.

Yes it is. You are aware that most times there's a plot device or something in Kravens favour. First he couldn't match Peter, then he took his "herbs" or whatever and got all enhanced (I believe he was stronger too at one point) and even then he still he had to utilize tranqs and the occasional jungle rememdy to cancel out the spider-sense

Originally posted by Alfheim
In all fairness I think you do ignore evidence. The fact that in the Spiderman vs Cap thread your still coming out witrh stuff like Cap shouldnt be able to hurt Spiderman show you havent been listening to what anybody has said.

Ive been looking at some of the scans and it seems what jinzin was saying is correct. Wolverine can actually do well against Spiderman. I will post my opinions later.

I don't think anyone is refuting that Wolverine can't do well against Spider-Man. What's being said is that a) Wolverine is not his equal in speed or other physical attributes and b) In a fight Spider-Man wins the majority. No one is saying Wolverine will just get punked.

Imo it goes like this

City: Spider-Man 7/10
Arena: Spider-Man 6/10

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman and punisher couldnt even sabertooth 1 on 1, what is spiderman going to do to wolverine. Can we all say that spiderman almost got killed
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742035
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So a fight where a) Spider-Man and Punisher are practically at each others throats and b) where SM and Pun are getting in each others way = a win one-on-one for Wolverine against Spider-Man 😬?

Btw, you said Sabs almost killed him? Where was that? It must have come after that panel where Spider-Man was perfectly fine

Originally posted by carver9
Stop using this picture. How is spiderman going to escape something coming at him this fast.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/dprfla/xmen_v2_133_p03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/dprfla/xmen_v2_133_p04.jpg

Side-step, backflip, triple sow-cow? No idea

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I still don't see how this hasn't been resolved yet.AWolverine,Spider-man fight has an outcome that is alway's linked to condition or environment,they're just that damn even.In a City environment to run/hide Spider-sense will always trump enhanced senses,not to mention the sh*tloads of objects spidey could web to Wolverine.

City=Spidey 6-7/10

Now in an Arena or Open plain/Rooftop setting,we now have Spider-sense that can only be used defensively against a much fiercer and dangerous opponent who needs one hit to take the win.Wolverine is good enough to score that hit and put Spidey down,he is fast enough to escape webbing Via speed/slashingin such an open space and will be able to tag spidey.

Arena=Wolverine6-7/10

Pretty much

There is no evidence to support that he can do that with organic sadly.
Organic webbing must be self-made by some internal organ or body part,and this body part must take damage like any other if over-used,So if he is capable of making that with Organic he would either be exhausted or cause himself severe harm.What good is it to have webbed up the Wolverine if he collapses afterwards?.

Seriously lets not focus to much on things like this, it's comics and if "energy" were the largest concern Wolverine would be a skeleton from healing constantly or he would have to eat a frickin cow a day.

Originally posted by marvelprince
This doesn't make sense to me. Organic webbing has been shown to be the equivalent of Peter's web cartridges many times but you say that he can't replicate the feat even though we've nothing to indicate that he can't. Thats pure speculation on your part that he would pass out or los consciousness. Imo, worst case scenario is that he just runs out.

Yes it is. You are aware that most times there's a plot device or something in Kravens favour. First he couldn't match Peter, then he took his "herbs" or whatever and got all enhanced (I believe he was stronger too at one point) and even then he still he had to utilize tranqs and the occasional jungle rememdy to cancel out the spider-sense

I don't think anyone is refuting that Wolverine can't do well against Spider-Man. What's being said is that a) Wolverine is not his equal in speed or other physical attributes and b) In a fight Spider-Man wins the majority. No one is saying Wolverine will just get punked.

Imo it goes like this

City: Spider-Man 7/10
Arena: Spider-Man 6/10

My feelings exactly. Kudos, marvelprince. 👆

I would say:

In a city:Wolverine 7/10

In an arena:Wolverine 9/10