Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
More then half of those people he fought while being inexperienced teenager (everybody except Sin Eater if I can recall right, and he easily pwned him too later). He's not the same now.

No? Because recently he's been schooled by cap TWICE in hand to hand combat.
Wolverine's had him dead to rights two more times.
El muerte was able to get his mitts on Spidey multiple times.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Just compare how Shang Chi could go toe to toe with him while he was a teen, and then compare how Spider-man could handle The Cat (Shang's near-equal) while being an adult. And Spider-Man doesn't even wish to fight in this instance.
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So using examples where he isn't near as good as he is now isn't really valid. Especially when he does beat all of those later, when he stops playing around. And that was when being a teen.

Ans yet I brought up several examples of people doing the same thing not several months ago.
Not to mention the fact that I don't consider the Cat Shang's "near equal" when Shang "stops messing around"...
and not when the Cat's been jacked in 3 panels by Taskmaster and dropped by Cap while fighting two other villains Simultaneously..
Not to mention that the merit of Spidey doing well against Shang or anyone "near his equal" even matters here due to the sheer fact that Wolverine's beat Shang Chi in several panels without even trying.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Nowadays, he would own each and every one of those people without breaking a sweat. Especially if he took the fight seriously.

Just sayin'.

Anyways, yeah we're getting besides the point.. C-master was posing the argument that only famous heroes are the kinds of skilled fighters who give Spiderman a hard time, as though there's no merit behind the feats due to the fact that they're famous heroes alone. I just don't think that's the case, and those examples were' simply some of the reason as to why. 😉

Originally posted by Arctic
Lolz spiderman wins. Hahahaaa debate closed.

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Nu-uh! Wolverine wins!

This thread is over

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but because Wolverine has the healing factor for that.. HE WINS!

Originally posted by Badabing
This thread is the work of Satan........durfist........and Capt and Jinzin!dur

Originally posted by Badabing
durbeware

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"This is the life you see, the Devil tips his hat to me."

Originally posted by Badabing
The truce is off! dur

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
"This is the life you see, the Devil tips his hat to me."

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"NU-UH!!!!!"

Originally posted by jinzin
No? Because recently he's been schooled by cap TWICE in hand to hand combat.
Wolverine's had him dead to rights two more times.
El muerte was able to get his mitts on Spidey multiple times.

I seriously don't think that Spider-Man fights fully against Cap. You see how he cries over him in recent post Death of Captain America comics - he's always intimidated against the man. He is his idol. Spidey goes "Wow CAP!!" every time he sees even a glimpse of red white and blue.

Neither in the fights against Wolverine you can say that Spider-man is going anywhere near his full capablities. I am assuming that you are meaning the Spider-Man Wolverine mini, where the fact that Spider-Man's mind was clouded because fears and such was mentioned directly. And the recent one (Wolverine stabbing Spidey in the shoulder I presume?), was during a training exercise. Not a real fight. You saw how surprised Spidey was when Wolverine actually stabbed him.

Plus Wolverine is fast too, and I think his comparable speed with Spidey has more to do with him tagging him then skill.

And El Muerte - you don't seriously think that Spider-Man was taking THAT fight seriously, are you?
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Originally posted by jinzin
Ans yet I brought up several examples of people doing the same thing not several months ago.
Not to mention the fact that I don't consider the Cat Shang's "near equal" when Shang "stops messing around"...
and not when the Cat's been jacked in 3 panels by Taskmaster and dropped by Cap while fighting two other villains Simultaneously..
Not to mention that the merit of Spidey doing well against Shang or anyone "near his equal" even matters here due to the sheer fact that Wolverine's beat Shang Chi in several panels without even trying.

Perhaps. I am not an expert on Cat, but thought that with him being a Shang-Chi archfoe, he would have at least challenged him on several occasions...

Originally posted by jinzin
meh, maybe, maybe not. You could have posed the same argument about Cap had the Civil War encounters not had happened but we can obviously see that isn't the case. So while you're counter isn't WITHOUT merit, I don't think that statement is more than speculation as well, though you're probably right with the exception of King Pin and MAYBE white ninja.

Already said the explanation for the Cap fights.

And when Spidey stopping holding back against Kingpin, he did do better against him, even when being a teenager.
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Plus Classic Kingpin did not do good against Spidey because of any sort of skill, he exelled against him because of brute strength and brute strength only, that thing was pretty much pointed out dozens of times.

Originally posted by jinzin
Anyways, yeah we're getting besides the point.. C-master was posing the argument that only famous heroes are the kinds of skilled fighters who give Spiderman a hard time, as though there's no merit behind the feats due to the fact that they're famous heroes alone. I just don't think that's the case, and those examples were' simply some of the reason as to why. 😉

Yeah, I guess so.

Originally posted by jinzin
White dragon's not even CLOSE to a top ranking fighter, the guy got dropped and EASILY at that, by a very human Moon Knight, and he got the drop on Marc.

Being a supposed martial arts master doesn't put you in the same category as guys that have taken Spidey toe to toe in hand to hand combat.

Originally posted by jinzin
True, but you did address "only" "heroes".

Characters then.

Kingpin has also given guys like DD trouble as well, so is it safe to say that skilled fighters have problem with characters with vastly superior stats?

Originally posted by jinzin
What feats are "not even close". Both have dodged bullets, been faster than fast characters can react to, no sold super speedsters, moved faster than eyes can register,
Several characters have done "similar feats" but they haven't done the same feats with the same ease as Spiderman has, as we proved on that thread, the entire thread simply lead to denial on one side since they had none of this "proof" that we heard so much of.

[QUOTE=9169084]Originally posted by jinzin
[B]all that coupled with Peter's own ADMISSION to Wolverine's speed doesn't lend itslef NOT to think that they're near equals in sheer speed, much less think that Wolverine's "not even clsoe".

Have to love the "own admission thing", because it only tends to work when the opponent wants it to. I guess that means that Spiderman can break Logan's neck?

Especially since someone like Peter sells himself short many times, only to go up against squads of opponents later and dodge them all.

Originally posted by jinzin
Also, someone posted links to the ave weight of sub cars, we see that Spidey lifted several and even assuming there were a few more, that's still only putting him somewhere in the 25-30 ton category. 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
And building? I'm fairly certain that was a train car.

Are you talking about what he flicked? That was a train car. And those feats were BEFORE his upgrades, so it's easy to assume that someone like him can lift at least twice that amount in duress. I'm more curious of how Logan becomes stronger, faster, etc. By his supporters the longer he's on this board, without ever having seen it mentioned by Marvel.

Originally posted by jinzin
I don't know who has said THAT, but the incidents of spiderman webbing up someone as fast, agile, skilled, experienced, etc etc with bladed weapons is few and far between there's no BS about that whatsoever.

Bottom line is that Logan needs to get out with his claws. If those are put in a position where he cannot use them, then he is screwed, and should not be able to break out.

Originally posted by jinzin
Not to mention that the merit of Spidey doing well against Shang or anyone "near his equal" even matters here due to the sheer fact that Wolverine's beat Shang Chi in several panels without even trying.

But honestly, Wolverine beating Shang Chi "without trying" simply is a bad showing for Shang Chi.

Wolverine whooping spiderman
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Sabertooth whooping spiderman almost killing him.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742035
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742042
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Wovlerine beating the hell out of spiderman easily
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735842
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735846
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735849

There, the problem is solved. Showed wolverine soloing spiderman beating him.

There ya go DarkCrawler, I just showed you some scans of skilled fighters beating spiderman. I can do better. Ill be back.

wolvie for the win

Originally posted by carver9
Sabertooth whooping spiderman almost killing him.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742035
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742042
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742044

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That doesn't prove anything, nor does it show what you're implying it does.

Originally posted by carver9
There ya go DarkCrawler, I just showed you some scans of skilled fighters beating spiderman. I can do better. Ill be back.

Low showings. Spider-Man beats Logan almost every-time on paper. He's faster, 10 times stronger (at least) and has that little thing called Spider-sense. He's like Logan 2.0, without the adamantium and souped up healing factor.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Low showings. Spider-Man beats Logan almost every-time on paper. He's faster, 10 times stronger (at least) and has that little thing called Spider-sense. He's like Logan 2.0, without the adamantium and souped up healing factor.

Originally posted by batdude123
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That doesn't prove anything, nor does it show what you're implying it does.

Well maybe this is better for ya. Cap has owned spiderman TWICE. Well actually 3 times and 2 of the times was during civil war.

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The thing that is different about this fight is that cap hit spiderman 3 times while spiderman didnt land a lick but thats all it would take is one good lick from wolverine and that would be the end of the fight.

Originally posted by batdude123
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That doesn't prove anything, nor does it show what you're implying it does.

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The point of the scans is that wolverine is a better fighter than sabertooth, has a healing factor almost like sabertooth, and could be faster than sabertooth but spiderman lost to sabertooth and almost go killed, while having the aid of punisher. Thats my point.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Low showings. Spider-Man beats Logan almost every-time on paper. He's faster, 10 times stronger (at least) and has that little thing called Spider-sense. He's like Logan 2.0, without the adamantium and souped up healing factor.

Low showings to you because spiderman got his a** handed to him. Do you know that scan what people keep putting up when spiderman webbed wolverine hands against his head. Can someone please put up what happened before that. It would prove something.

BY the way spiderman has a lot of bad showings, if thats what you want to call it. Just ask kraven and king pin.