Originally posted by AlfheimYou're talking about those quotes in my profile. 😆 I put those in there on purpose because I think they're funny when people lose an argument and get mad at me.
C'mon man...please read and comprehend.Well no not at all admittedly that does happen but that because im ahot head. The difference im able to look to look back and admit my istakes you are not. The problem I have with xmarks is because even when im right he doesnt admit it.
The above quote is from Cap vs Luke Cage. Xmarks spent pages trying to tell me that I didnt understand, but in the end had to admit that I did. I will probably be told that it because I wasnt able to express myself instead of xmarks being honest and admitting he was being argumentative.
I cant be assed right now but I can give you other quotes of people agreeing with what im saying and I can find another quote of xmarks admiiting that the mods put an example of PIS under SvFL, which therefore justifies the point in me saying that SvFL are very similar. If you want to take all the negative examples thats up to you.
Well its like this at the end of the day ive sent you a pm. But if you want to talk about me repeating myself I can get quotes of people saying the samething about you who are NOT fanboys. Hell you even have galan and jinzin on your own profile telling you that you're a ****. Hell I was looking through the Spiderman vs Wolverine the other day were srankmiising was calling you a brick wall and another poster was laughing at you.
The question is are you ever wrong, because basically if you admit it you're not.
I agree that Spiderman wins but how he does it is different. Cap is actually related to the thread but I cant be assed to explain.
Every single one of those people started something with me first, whether it was a racist remark or whatever, and like here I defended myself and they didn't like what I said and/or lost the argument.
There was even a point where I was getting reported more than anyone on the FORUM for no reason at all. Paola told me all about it. There has been noone here that has had more controversy than me. But I'm not sad about it, I know I can be mean without feeling too bad about it. I have nothing against anyone who I put in my profile though, but they might say the opposite about me. But those people love me, like you. Some just love me so much they don't know how to express it sometimes and they do the opposite for attention. 😄
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I seriously don't think that Spider-Man fights fully against Cap. You see how he cries over him in recent post Death of Captain America comics - he's always intimidated against the man. He is his idol. Spidey goes "Wow CAP!!" every time he sees even a glimpse of red white and blue.
Granted. but Spiderman going "all out" seems to be an irrelivency to him being hit. He should have the tools to dodge all day and stayout of cap's way without necessarily fighting him.. thus far his speed and spidey sense don't seem to help him much in those categories.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Neither in the fights against Wolverine you can say that Spider-man is going anywhere near his full capablities. I am assuming that you are meaning the Spider-Man Wolverine mini, where the fact that Spider-Man's mind was clouded because fears and such was mentioned directly. And the recent one (Wolverine stabbing Spidey in the shoulder I presume?), was during a training exercise. Not a real fight. You saw how surprised Spidey was when Wolverine actually stabbed him.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Plus Wolverine is fast too, and I think his comparable speed with Spidey has more to do with him tagging him then skill.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And El Muerte - you don't seriously think that Spider-Man was taking THAT fight seriously, are you?
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Offensively? No. but again that doesn't mean diddly for him being hit, it looks like the hits were taking him off guard.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Perhaps. I am not an expert on Cat, but thought that with him being a Shang-Chi archfoe, he would have at least challenged him on several occasions...
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerI thought that his skill in combat was also attributed to him as well though, I mean Spiderman made several references to his use of arm locks and the sort.
Already said the explanation for the Cap fights.And when Spidey stopping holding back against Kingpin, he did do better against him, even when being a teenager.
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3047/feat15fight1ni5.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8949/feat15fight2fz9.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6320/feat2speedsz5.jpgPlus Classic Kingpin did not do good against Spidey because of any sort of skill, he exelled against him because of brute strength and brute strength only, that thing was pretty much pointed out dozens of times.
Yeah, I guess so.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well that just proves my own point to me. Your point shifts from "skilled fighters" to "those that can give Spiderman trouble" (those fights which wouldn't have the same outcome on the forums regardless). It simply readresses my point that "Spiderman can't fight skilled fighters" is just a rumor thought up on the boards, since the fighters you mentioned would lose the majority here.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Characters then.
Kingpin has also given guys like DD trouble as well, so is it safe to say that skilled fighters have problem with characters with vastly superior stats?
Of course it is.
Not that that would be the greatest comparison considering that the pin has skill that's high ranking enough to be comparible to good fighters, his stats pick up the rest.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Have to love the "own admission thing", because it only tends to work when the opponent wants it to. I guess that means that Spiderman can break Logan's neck?
Not so sure that's a good comparison either. Spiderman recognizing Wolverine's speed against his own, as opposed to him making assumptions (and logical ones at that) about Wolverine's skeletal structure are entirely different wouldn't you say?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Especially since someone like Peter sells himself short many times, only to go up against squads of opponents later and dodge them all.
granted, but I don't think the statment should be immediately disarded considering the other evidence that goes with it.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm going to have to disagree with that as it depends on the size of what's lifted
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Are you talking about what he flicked? That was a train car. And those feats were BEFORE his upgrades, so it's easy to assume that someone like him can lift at least twice that amount in duress. I'm more curious of how Logan becomes stronger, faster, etc. By his supporters the longer he's on this board, without ever having seen it mentioned by Marvel.
Yes I know the feat you're talking about, and I agree that in times of great stress peter's strength goes way up.. but 70 tons? I haven't seen it.
What do you mean in reference to Logan becoming stronger/faster?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Now you're throwing several aspects in there that aren't needed. Logan didn't tear the webbing with his claws, or else I wouldn't aruge it. He tore it with his shoulders, which is something infeasable for someone at his strength class to get that much leverage at that location, even if it hadn't fully dried. If your arms are held to a wall by string in that position it would be difficult to get out. Spiderman's webbing is faster moving than Logan, and can cover more area, and is stronger as well.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterin the majority of scenarios I agree to that. I just think that the possibilities of getting him into an uncomprimising position where he can't use them are slim. the chances of doing that mid fight slimmer, and the chances of doing that mid-fight before he hits you, slimmer... but that's just an opinion.
Bottom line is that Logan needs to get out with his claws. If those are put in a position where he cannot use them, then he is screwed, and should not be able to break out.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
This is what I mean, you say that he can't take a fighter out, and when presented with one, a invalid comparison with Wolverine shows up. How does this take away that Spiderman did it?
it doesn't take away that Spiderman did it, never said it did, I was just pointing something out is all.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Are you admitting Wolverine is less of a threat when Spiderman is serious?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
If they both weren't trying then it would make sense that it's a good feat for both.But honestly, Wolverine beating Shang Chi "without trying" simply is a bad showing for Shang Chi.
agreed to the first, but not to the second.
Originally posted by Grinning GokuOn paper? what? cause the only times he has have been secret wars, mtu1, and a what if.... Every other time Wolverine's walked away with an advantage. 😐
Low showings. Spider-Man beats Logan almost every-time on paper. He's faster, 10 times stronger (at least) and has that little thing called Spider-sense. He's like Logan 2.0, without the adamantium and souped up healing factor.
Originally posted by Alfheim
That still doesnt matter. Why because:1. A robot clone of Spiderman couldnt take CA in H2H
2. Civil War Spiderman couldnt take CA in H2H, which therefore means the robot clone was correct.
3. Cap has taken on Spiderman villains such as the Scorpion. The Scorpion **** himself because Cap punches so hard.Ok thats the end of that. 😐
Originally posted by Alfheim
If Spiderman webs up his arms so even if he unseaths his claws he cant move his arms to cut himself out of the webbing. His claws are useless if he cant move his arms.
Originally posted by Alfheimthat was AFTER he was webbed up though, AFTER he was webbed up WITHOUT using his claws to cut them away, look at the first scan I posted, that's what happens when his claws are out and Spiderman tries that, he cuts it away like nothing.. the same way he did to venom's webs, the same way he did to the symbiote.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=9076822Yes look at these scans. It took Wolverine 3 panles to be able to break free using his strength. We can clearly see that a certain amount of webbing is able to give Wolverine trouble. All Spiderman has to do is increase the amount of webbing and he wont be able to break free..
Originally posted by Alfheimyeah i know... I just... gah.... this stupid life consuming thread! 😠
[BHes still using that rubbish argument, eventhough ive already told him the Enforcers have beaten Spiderman? The Enforcers...who? 😕Well thats the end of that point, but im sure he'll get amnesia and bring it up again. [/B]
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
1. I don't think robot clones have anything to do with...anything? A robot clone isn't Spider-Man.
2. In Civil War fight it was specifically shown how intimidated and reclutant he was against Cap. He won't have an disability like that against Cap in a forum fight.
3. What does Scorpion have anything to do with this either?
Originally posted by peejayd
* from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man%27s_powers_and_equipment#Webbing):Upon release, the webbing dries into an extremely tough, flexible, adhesive fiber. One account described a single strand as stronger than piano wire and it is perhaps as strong as real spider silk or Kevlar. (Spider-Man has used web-shields on several occasions to protect himself from small-caliber bullets). In Spider-Man: The Ultimate Guide, one strand of webbing is described to be strong enough to bind the Hulk and hold him prisoner, but only if the Hulk were to hold still and let the webbing sufficiently dry. Also, according to recent volumes of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, the tensile strength of the webbing is equivalent to 120 lbs per square millimeter in cross-section and is comparable to nylon with extraordinary adhesive properties. Its exact composition is unknown, but after about an hour, the webbing breaks down, loses strength and eventually evaporates, since Spider-Man never intended to hold his captives forever.
* can Logan escape this type of webbing if Spidey really managed to cocoon him? and do you think, in a real fight, can Spidey successfully cocoon Logan with his webs?
why are you giving Spiderman the ben of the doubt that Wolverine's already instantly going to be helplessly cacooned?
Originally posted by jinzin😆 This is getting profiled. 😂
agreed.how's he gonna go about doing that? I sincerely doubt that Wolverine will be standing there spread eagle against a wall or something.
that was AFTER he was webbed up though, AFTER he was webbed up WITHOUT using his claws to cut them away, look at the first scan I posted, that's what happens when his claws are out and Spiderman tries that, he cuts it away like nothing.. the same way he did to venom's webs, the same way he did to the symbiote.
yeah i know... I just... gah.... this stupid life consuming thread! 😠
Just for the fight heres a couple of fighters that have owned spiderman. Starting with task master. Someone who deadpool has owned.
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Nightcrawler has beat spiderman without teleport, just a straight up fight.
Punisher owning spiderman.
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Blade owning a vampiric spiderman that stats was increased. Said that spiderman got stronger and more faster in the comic.
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King pin, someone who isnt even on wolverine level in any department owning spiderman. I can show more scans of king pin owning spiderman but it aint worth it.
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Daredevil owns him.
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wolverine gets the majority.
Originally posted by carver9That's fine carver. On KMC Spidey isn't inhibited in any way. Anybody that has read Spider-Man knows he has a conscience and feels badly when he uses his powers to his fullest. My opinion is that this is a close match but Spidey has higher speed, strength, dexterity and reflexes. Daredevil has put a hurting on Logan as well. This is KMC and low showings and crap writing goes out the window. There are always scans and showings to counter.
Just for the fight heres a couple of fighters that have owned spiderman. Starting with task master. Someone who deadpool has owned.
http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beatingspidermanstraightup18yi.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beatingspidermanstraightup28rw.jpg
http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beatingspidermanstraightup36xw.jpg
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/9219/beatingspidermanstraightup41yx.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beatingspidermanstraightup54jk.jpg
http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beatingspidermanstraightup64zg.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beatingspidermanstraightup71gz.jpgNightcrawler has beat spiderman without teleport, just a straight up fight.
Punisher owning spiderman.
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2213838576c03a187drp3.jpgBlade owning a vampiric spiderman that stats was increased. Said that spiderman got stronger and more faster in the comic.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsSpiderman.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/BladevsSpiderman2.jpgKing pin, someone who isnt even on wolverine level in any department owning spiderman. I can show more scans of king pin owning spiderman but it aint worth it.
http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=512gl8.jpgDaredevil owns him.
http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13lp1.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=24mv.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=32lb.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=49qq.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=61kz.jpgwolverine gets the majority.
Originally posted by jinzinWhite Dragon is a highly trained MA, is he crappy because he lost?
I thought that you would be able to connect the dots: the higher level of skill usually equates to more trouble for the web-head. Anyways, I don't see how comparing a crappy fighter like White Dragon to good fighters helps your argument.Kingpin has also given guys like DD trouble as well, so is it safe to say that skilled fighters have problem with characters with vastly superior stats?
Of course it is.
Not that that would be the greatest comparison considering that the pin has skill that's high ranking enough to be comparible to good fighters, his stats pick up the rest.Not so sure that's a good comparison either. Spiderman recognizing Wolverine's speed against his own, as opposed to him making assumptions (and logical ones at that) about Wolverine's skeletal structure are entirely different wouldn't you say?
granted, but I don't think the statment should be immediately disarded considering the other evidence that goes with it.
I would think the material used is another contribution up for consideration, but fair enough.
Yes I know the feat you're talking about, and I agree that in times of great stress peter's strength goes way up.. but 70 tons? I haven't seen it.
What do you mean in reference to Logan becoming stronger/faster?Wait, you're talking about the MK episode.. again, I think that he just pulled away before the organic webs had set.
in the majority of scenarios I agree to that. I just think that the possibilities of getting him into an uncomprimising position where he can't use them are slim. the chances of doing that mid fight slimmer, and the chances of doing that mid-fight before he hits you, slimmer... but that's just an opinion.
it doesn't take away that Spiderman did it, never said it did, I was just pointing something out is all.
Why would I have to admit that? isn't it common sense? in that same regard Spiderman's less of a threat when Wolvie's serious too.
agreed to the first, but not to the second.
But let's make this short and sweet so we won't have a multipost quote marathon going on. 😆
If these characters he fight won't do the same thing on KMC or have the same luck due to the way the fights are made, why bring them up and present them as so?
Originally posted by Badabing
That's fine carver. On KMC Spidey isn't inhibited in any way. Anybody that has read Spider-Man knows he has a conscience and feels badly when he uses his powers to his fullest. My opinion is that this is a close match but Spidey has higher speed, strength, dexterity and reflexes. Daredevil has put a hurting on Logan as well. This is KMC and low showings and crap writing goes out the window. There are always scans and showings to counter.
There's a difference between Ennis DECIDING how Logan reacts to pain in ONE issue and Spiderman by and large having problems with highly skilled MA's consistently in fights.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
White Dragon is a highly trained MA, is he crappy because he lost?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But let's make this short and sweet so we won't have a multipost quote marathon going on. 😆
sounds good to me.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI'm not sure why you think their actions or luck would change so drastically on the forums as to negate every point those feats make.
If these characters he fight won't do the same thing on KMC or have the same luck due to the way the fights are made, why bring them up and present them as so?
Originally posted by jinzinHaven't YOU been quoted as saying that you don't take the weak feats? Only the strong ones?
There's a difference between Ennis DECIDING how Logan reacts to pain in ONE issue and Spiderman by and large having problems with highly skilled MA's consistently in fights.
Because most of Spiderman's career he doesn't take his fights seriously.. When he DOES he's nearly unstoppable.
This is a bloodlust fight 😉
