Originally posted by jinzinExactly he HAS to fight immaculate or he'll lose, where as Wolverine can AFFORD to make mistakes and STILL come out on top.
my point was, and as you agreed, Logan is much more PRONE to mistakes during battle because of his reliance on his HF to save his butt.
Spiderman will be able to capitalize on those mistakes.
Originally posted by masterbruce
my point was, and as you agreed, Logan is much more PRONE to mistakes during battle because of his reliance on his HF to save his butt.Spiderman will be able to capitalize on those mistakes.
I think it stands as a matter of effeciency.. why dodge if you don't have to when the quickesy way between two points is a straight line?
Really? Cause you know he's done a great job o'that so far:
😐
Excuse me while I read the preceding 891 pages carefully before commenting.
Mmm, OK done. 😛
Spider-Man wins.
Wolvie's roughed him up a few times in the past by virtue of being mean. If Spiderman takes off his kid gloves and actually tries to hurt Wolvie for real, then Logan will drown with his lungs full of webbing and his arms dislocated and bound with webbing from elbow to wrist behind his back.
btw, this is how the fight went on CBUB
Callisto: Thank you Viewers at Home. And there's the signal to start! This match is underway!
Quinn: Wolverine and Spider-Man close the distance rapidly...
Callisto: Wolverine takes the first punch...
Quinn: Spiderman easily dodges...
Callisto: No Wolverine's blow was a feint!
Quinn: Wolvie underhand claw strike... The real deal!
Callisto: Spider Man dodges again...!
Spider Man: Awww c'mon yellow britches... ACK!
Callisto: YES!
Quinn: Wolverine triple feint!
Callisto: I never saw the real attack! Left claw leaves a bloody trail across Spider Man's chest!
Quinn: Blood in the sand! Crowd goes wild!
Callisto: Spider Man, off balance! Can't believe he got tagged!
Quinn: Wolvie tries to take advantage with a leg sweep...
Callisto: Spider Man easily leaps up... dodges... OUCH!
Quinn: Kick's Wolverine right in the skull!
Callisto: Spider Man dances back... he's limping.
Quinn: Bet he broke a couple toes, smashing 'em into Wolvie's adamantium skull like that.
Callisto: Wolverine looks hardly phased... he keeps coming.
Wolverine: Flamin' jumpin' bean, stand still!
Quinn: Spider Man goes for the web shooters...
Callisto: No! Wolverine rolls under the streams...
Quinn: Spider Man jumps high... keeps sprayin' the sticky stuff! Hits Wolverine!!
Callisto: Sticks Wolverine to the sand! He's just lying there... easy pickins!
Quinn: Spider Man lands beside him to deliver the coup de... WAIT!
Callisto: The moment he lands, Wolverine reaches out... strikes like a snake! Grabs Spider Man by the ankle!
Quinn: The sand gives him just enough play to move around in the webs.
Callisto: Spider Man tries to snatch his ankle back... Ha! Wolverine's hand is now super-glued to Spider Man's ankle thanks to those webs!
Quinn: The wall-crawler ain't gettin' away this time! Wolverine twists his wrist and digs his pig stickers into Spidey's leg!!
Callisto: The crowd goes nuts as you can almost see Ma' Parker's only son crying out in pain under that mask. How delicious.
Quinn: Instinctively, Spider Man kicks Wolverine in the head again!
Callisto: You can almost hear the rest of Spider Man's toes snapping like twigs.
Quinn: Spider Man, enraged, leaps onto Wolverine! Man, this is big action. The crowd can't believe it. Now, let's get back down onna field again for the Up-Close with James T. Kirk!
James T. Kirk: The brightly colored men... Fight! Like animals. The crowd cheers them on. What... barbaric... ritual is this?
Callisto: Yes, thank you Captain Kirk. It's a big sticky mess down there, but Spider Man has managed to pin both of Wolverine's hands down.
Quinn: Yeah, and that's a pretty big accomplishment considerin' one a' Wolvie's hands is permanently stuck ta' Spidey's right ankle. Ya know, Spidey would be, like, the ultimate Twister(TM) player.
Callisto: Spider Man uses his Spider Strength... that and the webs pretty much keeps Wolverine from moving an inch.
Quinn: Ref's out onna field now. He's slappin the sand, callin' the Ten Count.
Callisto: No, Wolverine gave it his best, but this fight is history.
Quinn: Well, least he gave ol' web head a couple nice scratches to keep him up at night.
jinzin, you put some scans with Logan winning, whoopity doo
I'm SURE you're leaving out the parts where Spiderman is kicking Logan's behind so those scans don't mean much, as they show only part of the picture and lack context.
Didn't Spidey himself say that he could KO Logan, but he'd have to resort to deadly force by breaking Logan's neck?
Originally posted by Laminator_X
Excuse me while I read the preceding 891 pages carefully before commenting.Mmm, OK done. 😛
Spider-Man wins.
Wolvie's roughed him up a few times in the past by virtue of being mean. If Spiderman takes off his kid gloves and actually tries to hurt Wolvie for real, then Logan will drown with his lungs full of webbing and his arms dislocated and bound with webbing from elbow to wrist behind his back.
hopes and dreams.. hopes and dreams.
Originally posted by masterbruce
jinzin, you put some scans with Logan winning, whoopity dooI'm SURE you're leaving out the parts where Spiderman is kicking Logan's behind so those scans don't mean much, as they show only part of the picture and lack context.
Didn't Spidey himself say that he could KO Logan, but he'd have to resort to deadly force by breaking Logan's neck?
😂 I'm sorry we all can't use the stone cold standard of evidence that is the CBUB.. hysterical
Spiderman really never kicked Logan's behind in any of those encounters and Logan only needs one hit to win.. 😬
Spidey THOUGHT the only way he could take Logan down was by breaking his neck.. which means nothing since he can't do it. 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
Which, if you're going to persist on using their past encounters you can't ignore the fact that webbing hasn't really worked on those occasions... the only time it looked like it was working were when he claws were in, when they came out? not so much. 😬
Yes I know.
Originally posted by jinzin
What YOU don't seem to be getting is the point that Wolverine isn't just going to be standing there letting it cake on top of him...
If was was just taking it, you might have a point.. but this is a fight and Wolverine's going to be stressing to close the gap....
After that "I can't let up for a second, he'll kill me..."
Yes I know...I did state that already didnt I?
Originally posted by jinzin
all the time? No.. enough for the majority? Considering that Spiderman has to put his ass in an EXTREMELY uncomprimising position to beat him with webbing.. yes.
Yes but when has Spiderman ever unleashes a massive load of webbing at him? Never. You do realise that Spiderman could cover more distance than Wolverine eventually. How is Wolverine going to get him if hes standing on top of a wall or a lampost and decides to unleash his webbing at full force?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
does not matter since you need at least three events of this happening before it can be sued as valid evidence
Thats not entirely fair though is it, this is the first time he has gone all out with his organic webbing, just because he hasn't done it 3 times yet doesn't mean its valid, really the feat should be valid until he has done this 2 more times to no avail from a similar power set. But I still can't decide whether that feat is PIS cause he hasn't really done anything big with his organics besides that, and most of the time his webbing has been broken since the upgrade was either it being cut or ripped off (not ripped apart at least to my knowledge but I'd have to check all the comics since he's had it to be sure) but maybe this new webbing can absorb alot of the impact from energy beams and such, but not take sharp objects, oh I don't know...I think I'v confused myself lol
Originally posted by Sparkz
Thats not entirely fair though is it, this is the first time he has gone all out with his organic webbing, just because he hasn't done it 3 times yet doesn't mean its valid, really the feat should be valid until he has done this 2 more times to no avail from a similar power set. But I still can't decide whether that feat is PIS cause he hasn't really done anything big with his organics besides that, and most of the time his webbing has been broken since the upgrade was either it being cut or ripped off (not ripped apart at least to my knowledge but I'd have to check all the comics since he's had it to be sure) but maybe this new webbing can absorb alot of the impact from energy beams and such, but not take sharp objects, oh I don't know...I think I'v confused myself lol
I don't think Tony fired any energy beam...all he did was light up his unibeam to maximum brightness to try to blind Peter
its not like Tony wanted to kill Peter.
thus, the webbing was able to tie IM up
It's legit to say that Wolverine would win because Spiderman suffers from chronic CiS in the form of not really wanting to hurt most people, while Wolverine is a far more viscous and balls out combattant. Heck, Logan didn't think it was a big deal when he stabbed Peter during training. On the other hand, Wolverine shouldn't stand a chance if Spidey really goes all out.
Plan for Spidey victory if he was really hellbent to win:
1) Fight defensively, then grab Logan by the wrist or ankle, as the opportunity presents itself.
2) Crack Logan's whole body like a whip as hard as he can.
Wolvie'd be a mess of torn ligaments, hyper extended tendons, dislocated limbs, and probably a severed spinal chord until he heals. Pete would have plenty of time to do whatever he needed to do to immobilize or kill him in that state.
He's fast and strong enough to do both of those things if he was ever mad enough to overcome his CiS (or rather, his compassion for others).
Originally posted by AlfheimSpiderman doesn't have the ability to generate lamp posts or walls.. the fight takes place in an arena type setting so as to not give either character the advantage. That's in the rules.
Yes I know.Yes I know...I did state that already didnt I?
Yes but when has Spiderman ever unleashes a massive load of webbing at him? Never. You do realise that Spiderman could cover more distance than Wolverine eventually. How is Wolverine going to get him if hes standing on top of a wall or a lampost and decides to unleash his webbing at full force?
Originally posted by masterbruceCBUB determines those sort of fights based off of fanbased voting. Ad populem is not a valid argument and neither is CBUB.
don't bash the source just because it doesn't support your stance. CBUB is a very credible source and I think it gets most of the matches very right.
Originally posted by masterbruceHe said maximum power, not maximum birightness. A maximum powered unibeam is more than just a lamp, a maximum power unibeam is an offensive energy beam which should have done more than it did.
I don't think Tony fired any energy beam...all he did was light up his unibeam to maximum brightness to try to blind Peterits not like Tony wanted to kill Peter.
thus, the webbing was able to tie IM up
Originally posted by CreshoskHe said maximum power, not maximum birightness. A maximum powered unibeam is more than just a lamp, a maximum power unibeam is an offensive energy beam which should have done more than it did.
maximum power could mean maximum brightness
do you really think the writer intended to make Peter Superman in that instant??? come on, even PIS is not that ridiculous. his clothing wasn't even damaged in the slightest...it was a goddam light, not a offensive beam.
why would Tony use his beam on max when he knows it could kill Peter?
Originally posted by masterbruceYou're reaching. Maximum power means maximum power, maximum brightness means maximum brightness.
maximum power could mean maximum brightness
Originally posted by masterbruceActually that level of ridiculousness is what makes it PIS.. like wolverine surviving the napalm attack with his pants in tact, or Spiderman knocking out Firelord etc. etc...
do you really think the writer intended to make Peter Superman in that instant??? come on, even PIS is not that ridiculous.
Originally posted by masterbruceLike Wolverine being hit by napalm and surviving with his pants intact?
his clothing wasn't even damaged in the slightest...it was a goddam light, not a offensive beam.
Originally posted by masterbruceAny answer I could give you would be speculation. Doesn't change the fact he said maximum power, and not brightness. He might have expected peter to dodge.
why would Tony use his beam on max when he knows it could kill Peter?
at any rate, its still PIS and not a valid feat.
Originally posted by Creshosk
He might have expected peter to dodge.
So he attempted to fire his most powerful beam with the intention of missing?
now you're reaching.
The proof is conclusive that Tony only intended to blind Parker, which he succeeded, by amping his beam to maximum power, therefore so bright Parker couldn't see.