Originally posted by Soljer
Nope.But by the same token, you can't show ME anything Wolverine's done that Nightwing couldn't.
🙂.
also has nightwing ever dodge a bullet after it was fired?
he likly has I just havent seen him do it.
Originally posted by BattlehammerSpidey has used his webbing with similar results. Three events.....so Logan can't take a nuke? Thor can't take Stark's full blast unharmed? Hulk can't bend Colossus' hands?
does not matter since you need at least three events of this happening before it can be sued as valid evidence
Here are some feat which support Peter's speed and control over his webbing.
Spider-Man’s webbing holds a large amount of rubble.
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6836/feat31equipmentum1.jpg
Spidey’s webbing together with Ghost Rider contain a HUGE blast.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/213/feat43equipment2av2.jpg
Spidey makes a huge web-statue.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8194/feat34speedequipmentxq3.jpg
Spider-Man’s webbing covers him from HUGE explosion.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5659/feat7speedequipmentzq4.jpg
A gigantic web is made in a second or two.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6596/feat34equipment1gs3.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2518/feat34equipment2cs2.jpg
Spider-Man’s webbing stops a speeding car
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1884/feat26equipmentjp4.jpg
Spidey entraps several huge monsters in his webbing.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5061/feat5equipmentye0.jpg
A huge-ass web made in no time at all.
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1548/feat14speedequipmentep6.jpg
Spidey makes a large web.
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/1374/feat2speedequipmentaz6.jpg
Spidey makes a huge web-cushion in short time.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3554/feat41equipmentyp1.jpg
Again, a huge web-net is made in a second.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3330/feat45equipmentspeedgj2.jpg
Spidey makes a large web.
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3632/feat2equipmentwp1.jpg
Spider-Man makes a web hang-glider in no time at all.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6935/feat21equipmentvr2.jpg
This scan speaks for itself.
Yeah I know but it's the only other IM/Spidey scan i couls find. 😆
Originally posted by BattlehammerNo we don't. Show me where it's stated that his organic webbing is weaker or less controllable than his original webbing. There isn't any proof. He's been able to use his organic webbing as he could the old webbing. The original scan I posted with Stark and Peter show it's at the very least the same. The fact remains that he has a high degree of control and speed with his webbing.
but thats not organic webbing........also Logan taken damage to that degree before thats the point. This is the first tiem spidermans shown to beable to shoot that kind of webbing.
Not saying he can't but we need more to go by.
Originally posted by BadabingI don't think you quite get it, I never said his ARMS were stationary, I said he was... From a single position there are angles that his webs shoo off from the cacoon that he would not be able to acheive.
You're assuming Peter had his arms stationary and his webbing was shot in a rope-like stream. The scan shows the webbing going in all directions.
Originally posted by BadabingOh, nice strawman.. should we then assume the Wolverine can fly and shoot planet destroying blasts out of his ass and eat galaxies for breakfast?
It's funny that you use the word "impossible" when we're talking about comics where heroes can fly, stick to walls, shoot lasers from their eyes, turn green and uber strong when angry, have an imaginary metal grafted to their bones, control weather, etc.
No, because in the comics some things are NOT acceptable. Spiderman or Wolverine one shotting a galactus that's just eaten is another example of something that's impossible.
Originally posted by BadabingYou're right, it BEING PIS is what makes me calling it pis valid.
The scan supports my opinion and saying something is PIS just because you think it is over and over doesn't make your opinion valid.
You seriously think he could beat ironman by webbing him up? Then I'm sorry but that is going into fanboy territory.
It was stupidity for the sake of the plot. Thus Plot induced stupidity. He's got some angles on the webbing that he would not have been able to make without moving around. Ironman just sat there and let himself get webbed in place in mid air (the thrusters of his rockets and his unibeam didn't burn through the webbing). If you seriously think that Spiderman can beat Ironman by standing in one spot and unleashing more webbing than he has before.. then you are delusional.
Originally posted by BadabingYeah, standing in one place and webbing up things that should burn through his webbing. against a person who just sat there even though he can manuever through the air. It doesn't matter that this is the first time we've seen him fully unleash.. the fight with Firelord is the first time we've seen him take down a herald... just because its the first time doesn't make it accurate... hell in Jubilee's first appearence she's immune to psionics, but guess what? She's not. The immunity was never again seen. But I guess that "first time" means that that's the naural state?
The writer [b]STATES that Peter has never gone all out with his internal webbing. This is the first time we've seen him unload like he did.[/b]
No I'm sorry its stupidity for the sake of the plot. and ignoring logic and common sense does not validate your invalid arguments.
Originally posted by BadabingThen you're a spiderman fanboy. There is no way he'd be able to take a full powered unibeam, or web Ironman up like that...
Peter has always had a great deal of control with his webbing. In my opinion the feat is valid an well within his abilities.
Originally posted by BadabingIts invalid evidence since its riddled with contradictions to logic and prior established occurances. I'm sorry but Spiderman cannot beat Ironman in the fashiobn he did in the picture posted.
Your opinion is the feat is PIS. The scan speaks for itself. The feat occurred in the 616 universe and the proof supports my point of view.
Originally posted by BadabingUsing stupid stunts to defend stupid stunts?
Spidey has used his webbing with similar results. Three events.....so Logan can't take a nuke? Thor can't take Stark's full blast unharmed? Hulk can't bend Colossus' hands?Here are some feat which support Peter's speed and control over his webbing.
Spider-Man’s webbing holds a large amount of rubble.
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6836/feat31equipmentum1.jpg
Spidey’s webbing together with Ghost Rider contain a HUGE blast.
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/213/feat43equipment2av2.jpg
Spidey makes a huge web-statue.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8194/feat34speedequipmentxq3.jpg
Spider-Man’s webbing covers him from HUGE explosion.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5659/feat7speedequipmentzq4.jpg
A gigantic web is made in a second or two.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6596/feat34equipment1gs3.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2518/feat34equipment2cs2.jpg
Spider-Man’s webbing stops a speeding car
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1884/feat26equipmentjp4.jpg
Spidey entraps several huge monsters in his webbing.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5061/feat5equipmentye0.jpg
A huge-ass web made in no time at all.
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1548/feat14speedequipmentep6.jpg
Spidey makes a large web.
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/1374/feat2speedequipmentaz6.jpg
Spidey makes a huge web-cushion in short time.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3554/feat41equipmentyp1.jpg
Again, a huge web-net is made in a second.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3330/feat45equipmentspeedgj2.jpg
Spidey makes a large web.
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3632/feat2equipmentwp1.jpg
Spider-Man makes a web hang-glider in no time at all.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6935/feat21equipmentvr2.jpg
This scan speaks for itself.Yeah I know but it's the only other IM/Spidey scan i couls find. 😆
You really think Spiderman can beat ironman? 😬
Originally posted by masterbruce
yeah, good work Bada. I liked your arguments, very convincing.
[sarcasm voice=imitating]"yeah, good work Bada. I liked your arguments, very convincing. "[/sarcasm]
Except that obviously they weren't... you already greed with him, so coming from you this means two things: jack and crap.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosAnd that explains the stupidity of the event how? Granted that might explain the depiction of the event.. but that doesn't change:
Did it ever occur to anyone that the artist might not have taken courses in physics and was in some perverse twist attempting to earn money by creating artwork that looked good?
Spiderman taking a full powered unibeam
Spiderman's webs taking a full powered unibeam
Ironman not dodging
Ironman's thrusters being overwhelmed by the webs
Spiderman just closing his eyes and just unleashing all he had
No the explination isn't really good enough to make up for the holes in the plot.
Originally posted by CreshoskI showed the web spooling and shooting in all different directions.
I don't think you quite get it, I never said his ARMS were stationary, I said he was... From a single position there are angles that his webs shoo off from the cacoon that he would not be able to acheive.
It's impossible for a person to shoot webs....period. Comics are full of the impossible. I have a scan of Spidey falling and he makes a web handglider. That's also impossible. Spidey wrapping someone up in a cocoon is well within his expertise. The other scans I posted show this to be true.
Originally posted by CreshoskI think you missed the point. I was referring to actual comic characters so I'm not sure what that has to do with your post above.
Oh, nice strawman.. should we then assume the Wolverine can fly and shoot planet destroying blasts out of his ass and eat galaxies for breakfast?
Originally posted by CreshoskIn your mind, Wolverine one shotting Galactus is as impossible as Spidey webbing somebody up in a cocoon??? Right.
No, because in the comics some things are NOT acceptable. Spiderman or Wolverine one shotting a galactus that's just eaten is another example of something that's impossible.
Originally posted by CreshoskProve it's PIS. I have a number of scans to support Spidey's use of webbing. All I hear from you is: "It's impossible", "It's PIS", "It's illogical"....
You're right, it BEING PIS is what makes me calling it pis valid.
Originally posted by CreshoskUmm, I never said that Spidey could beat Iron Man, I said he has the ability to use his webbing ala the scans I posted.
You seriously think he could beat ironman by webbing him up? Then I'm sorry but that is going into fanboy territory.
Originally posted by CreshoskHad you read the comic you would know the Stark's armor wasn't at 100%. I said he has the ability to use his webbing ala the scans I posted.
It was stupidity for the sake of the plot. Thus Plot induced stupidity. He's got some angles on the webbing that he would not have been able to make without moving around.
Originally posted by CreshoskHad you read the comic you would know the Stark's armor wasn't at 100%. I said he has the ability to use his webbing ala the scans I posted.
Ironman just sat there and let himself get webbed in place in mid air (the thrusters of his rockets and his unibeam didn't burn through the webbing). If you seriously think that Spiderman can beat Ironman by standing in one spot and unleashing more webbing than he has before.. then you are delusional.
Originally posted by CreshoskHad you read the comic you would know the Stark's armor wasn't at 100%. I said he has the ability to use his webbing ala the scans I posted.
Yeah, standing in one place and webbing up things that should burn through his webbing. against a person who just sat there even though he can manuever through the air.
Originally posted by CreshoskYour comparisons are way off. Spidey beating Fire Lord and Jubilee's first appearance have nothing to do with Peter's webbing abilities.
It doesn't matter that this is the first time we've seen him fully unleash.. the fight with Firelord is the first time we've seen him take down a herald... just because its the first time doesn't make it accurate... hell in Jubilee's first appearence she's immune to psionics, but guess what? She's not. The immunity was never again seen. But I guess that "first time" means that that's the naural state?
Originally posted by CreshoskIgnoring your logic, real world logic or comic logic? The scan shows the webbing spooling and shooting in all directions. I have posted various scans to show Spidey's control and expertise with his webbing. A cocoon isn't all that extraordinary for him.
No I'm sorry its stupidity for the sake of the plot. and ignoring logic and common sense does not validate your invalid arguments.
Originally posted by CreshoskI never said that. I said Spidey has the ability to use his webbing ala the scans I posted. Also, had you read the comic you would know the Stark's armor wasn't at 100%.
Then you're a spiderman fanboy. There is no way he'd be able to take a full powered unibeam, or web Ironman up like that...
Originally posted by CreshoskI never said Spidey could beat Iron Man. You really should pay attention to my posts before you have a hissy fit and call me names.
Its invalid evidence since its riddled with contradictions to logic and prior established occurances. I'm sorry but Spiderman cannot beat Ironman in the fashiobn he did in the picture posted.
I'm not sure why you're acting this way. I've highlighted some of the words you chose to use in describing me. I haven't done one thing to you and you act this way. If you can't be civil then there's no reason for me continuing this discussion with you.
Originally posted by BadabingI have a low tolerance for bullshit.
I'm not sure why you're acting this way. I've highlighted some of the words you chose to use in describing me. I haven't done one thing to you and you act this way. If you can't be civil then there's no reason for me continuing this discussion with you.
Originally posted by jinzin
Getting the best of Spiderman and his villains, and his arch enemy, AND three of his villains at the same time isn't enough?
so what? kingpin and worse has tagged Spidey...don't mean they're his speed. it's for the sake of comics to make it interesting.
Logan is more durable and deadly, but Spiderman is faster, more agile, stronger, more unpredictable, and smarter. Plus, since Spidey doesnt have luxury of HF, he has to fight better and more careful than Logan, who makes mistakes.
Originally posted by masterbruce
so what? kingpin and worse has tagged Spidey...don't mean they're his speed. it's for the sake of comics to make it interesting.
It DOES however mean that they're fast and skilled enough to tag Spiderman, which is all that realy matters here.
Originally posted by masterbruce
Logan is more durable and deadly, but Spiderman is faster, more agile, stronger, more unpredictable, and smarter. Plus, since Spidey doesnt have luxury of HF, he has to fight better and more careful than Logan, who makes mistakes.
Faster? Hardly...
More Agile? Somewhat..
Stronger? Not to a degree that matters. ..
More unpredictable? Than a berserker? No...
Smarter? This isn't a science class it's a fight.. No way in hell does Spiderman's battlefield intelligence come even close to Wolverine's...
Exactly he HAS to fight immaculate or he'll lose, where as Wolverine can AFFORD to make mistakes and STILL come out on top.
