Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by jinzin
There was NO STRUGGLING after the claws came out... he got out EASILY... it's not up for debate, when the claws came out he GOT OUT...

Right so he was struggling? So while Wolverine is struggling Spiderman is just standing their and letting him get his claws out?

Originally posted by jinzin

Spiderman webbed him up using an ASSLOAD of circumstances to his advantage. will you ignore those?
Clearly you will if you think all the times he's escaped the webbing and attacked Spiderman in MID FIGHT are negated by one instance loaded with circumstances that Peter doesn't have to his advantage in this fight.

Ok then what were these circumstances?

In the scan above Spiderman is using a thin thread of web. When Spidey means business, like catching a bus overshooting the bridge business he cuts loose with a big wet thick wad of webbing snagging everthing in its path

Logan is not gonna have an arm free to claw outa a big blob of glue.

Originally posted by don't shiv
In the scan above Spiderman is using a thin thread of web. When Spidey means business, like catching a bus overshooting the bridge business he cuts loose with a big wet thick wad of webbing snagging everthing in its path

Logan is not gonna have an arm free to claw outa a big blob of glue.

Thats what im thinking and I dont see what so god damn hard to understand that. There is the possibility that Wolverine could close the gap but I thinks its reasonable to think he couldnt as well.

All the examples given are of Wolverine getting out of webbing that Spiderman did not unleash at full force. All the scans indicate is that Wolverine can get out of a certain amount of webbing but if there is a huge amount hes not getting out of it...simple.

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not really. if a mind control Logan can get out of that amount of webbing a normal one could get out of far more

Originally posted by Alfheim
Right so he was struggling? So while Wolverine is struggling Spiderman is just standing their and letting him get his claws out?

Read that again.. When the claws CAME OUT..... HE.. GOT....OUT....
NO STRUGGLING.

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Are you arguing that Logan's NOT going to have his claws out during this fight? 🤣

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok then what were these circumstances?

Umm i believe I've described them in full detail only 200 times.. I've actually described them not two pages ago.. you go find them..

Originally posted by don't shiv
In the scan above Spiderman is using a thin thread of web. When Spidey means business, like catching a bus overshooting the bridge business he cuts loose with a big wet thick wad of webbing snagging everthing in its path

Logan is not gonna have an arm free to claw outa a big blob of glue.

You mean like he did to Black Panther who just ripped right through the crap?

Originally posted by jinzin
That's about how it'd go in a fight..Spiderman was shooting webbing but BEFORE it could completely incapacitate Wolverine, Wolverine got out....
It's the whole point of the scan.. In a fight where Logan has his claws out, the webs are easily negoitiated...

Same thing in MK Spiderman 13, Spiderman was in the PROCESS of webbing Logan up when he was counter attacked and stabed, webbing still coming out of his wrists..

Originally posted by jinzin
You mean like he did to Black Panther who just ripped right through the crap?

how exactly can one rip through something if one's arms cannot move an inch?

please explain that phenomenon to me.

Originally posted by Mindship
SM could easily have raised his left arm a few inches and pasted W's arm right in that position, at the same time he was webbing W's waist

Originally posted by Mindship
(he didn't need both barrels aimed at W's least dangerous bodypart). W would've had even more of a "Huh...?" expression than he already has. The writers needed W to come back lookin' good. (Hey, if the Panther can armlock the Surfer, anything can happen). 😉

He's a horrible writer and there's multiple threads on multiple forums that go into full detail as to why..
Not to mention the fact that he's gone INTO some of these forums with the specific intent of counter attacking his critics and upholding his own admitted bias.

NOW: Wolverine's got out of the webbing 5 times, 4 times mid fight, and always closes the gap before Spiderman can do anything about it... But when he does the things I say he can, it's not because he can do them but because the writers have to make him look good?

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HUH... well, if that's not bias on your part I don't know what is.

Originally posted by Mindship
If you have scans, I would appreciate seeing them. My guess is, at least one set of W's claws were still free, while Spidey was webbing up something else.

Spiderman had webbing on both of his arms and was still in the process of webbing one of them when Logan bum-rushed him and stabbed him in mid-jump.

Originally posted by masterbruce
how exactly can one rip through something if one's arms cannot move an inch?

please explain that phenomenon to me.

I was referring to idea that characters will be helpless if Spiderman starts spraying large amounts of webbing en masse..
They don't get to the point where they can't move because they rip through it to begin with , which is the point..

For example:
Wolverine won't START OFF webbed up, he has to become that way first... but it takes time to do it, and against a fighting Wolverine it's not going to easily be done...
The insinuation that parker can get Logan into such an uncomprimising position right off the bat isn't only an insult to Wolverine but an appeal to ignorance of Spiderman's entire career...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=9076822
Is this one of the scans you were referring to? Two things are clear. First, the scene was set up so that it was unclear exactly what parts of W were getting webbed up, though clearly, in the upper right corner panel, W's claws were still within reach of the webbing (not to mention that W was not affixed to anything solid, like a wall or floor; simply webbing up the arms still leaves them free to move and reach the web). Plus, if Spiderman was able to shoot that much web at Wolverine, he could've easily lobbed a chunk of wall at him, stunning W long enough for spider-speed to immobilize him the proper way.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=9076821
This is even more of an affront. Again, not only is Spidey not affixing Wolverine to anything inflexible (so he can't articulate his arms), but what is Spidey webbing in the first panel? His claws? If you were fighting someone with knives, would you grab the blades? No, you'd grab the arms controlling the blades...exactly what Spiderman is doing in the last panel. BTW, do you have a scan of the next page? I'd like to see what happened.

Both instances also conveniently ignore a distraction tactic Spider-Man has used on opponents, often to good effect: web on the face.

The question is not whether W can cut through web (it would be an insult to Wolverine if he couldn't). But is Spider-Man fast enough to immobilize Wolverine the proper way. Since Spider-Man is the faster of the two, I would say yes.

Originally posted by jinzin
OMG are you retarded?
Cause if that was the case at least I could forgive you for being so ignorant, or have such a disability when it comes to comprehension...

Read that again.. When the claws CAME OUT..... HE.. GOT....OUT....
NO STRUGGLING.

😂
Are you arguing that Logan's NOT going to have his claws out during this fight? 🤣

IM NOT BLOODY ARGUING THAT HE WONT HAVE HIS CLAWS OUT!!!!

IM ARGUING THAT HE DIDNT HE GET OUT!!!

IM ARGUING THAT HE WAS STRUGGLING!!!!!! LOOK!!!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=9076822

HES GOING UNGHHHH AND ARGGGHH!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!

Originally posted by jinzin

Umm i believe I've described them in full detail only 200 times.. I've actually described them not two pages ago.. you go find them..

Well ok that but that doesnt change anything. Sure in other cases he got out of the webbing but again if there is even more hes not getting out. There is a limit to how much webbing he can dodge or manage.

Lets draw an analogy. Solo is seen fighting Wolverine on various ocassions he has a gun that fires a spary of 10 bullets for the sake of argument. In each incident Wolverine manages to dodge most of them but not all. My point is that if Solo then decides to increase the spary to something like a 1000 theres no way hes dodging them all.

This is a similar thing to the Spiderman example, Spiderman has webbed him up, Wolverine has got out but the amount of webbing is small in comparison to how much he can actually unleash, so therefore we can conlude is the webbing is unleashed at full force in a wide arc hes not getting out. Maybe he will maybe he wont but in an arena setting its going to be even hard because there are no obstacles that will block the webbing.

For webbing feats go here:
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,142705.msg2318294.html#msg2318294

Originally posted by Mindship
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=9076822
Is this one of the scans you were referring to? Two things are clear. First, the scene was set up so that it was unclear exactly what parts of W were getting webbed up, though clearly, in the upper right corner panel, W's claws were still within reach of the webbing (not to mention that W was not affixed to anything solid, like a wall or floor; simply webbing up the arms still leaves them free to move and reach the web). Plus, if Spiderman was able to shoot that much web at Wolverine, he could've easily lobbed a chunk of wall at him, stunning W long enough for spider-speed to immobilize him the proper way.

Kinda.. that's one of the non-fight scenarios..
The webbing was all over Logan and it WAS ffixed to walls and the floor...

On the forums there's won't be random walls lying about. 😬

Originally posted by Mindship
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=9076821
This is even more of an affront. Again, not only is Spidey not affixing Wolverine to anything inflexible (so he can't articulate his arms), but what is Spidey webbing in the first panel? His claws? If you were fighting someone with knives, would you grab the blades? No, you'd grab the arms controlling the blades...exactly what Spiderman is doing in the last panel. BTW, do you have a scan of the next page? I'd like to see what happened.

And yeah I've got a scan of the next page.. if has Wolverine flip kicking Spiderman in th ball sack and dropping him like a bad habit.. you sure you want to see that? 😕

Originally posted by Mindship
Both instances also conveniently ignore a distraction tactic Spider-Man has used on opponents, often to good effect: web on the face.

Originally posted by Mindship
The question is not whether W can cut through web (it would be an insult to Wolverine if he couldn't). But is Spider-Man fast enough to immobilize Wolverine the proper way. Since Spider-Man is the faster of the two, I would say yes.

And yet: Show me one feat that Spiderman has that clearly outstrips Wolverine in terms of sheer speed. 😐

Originally posted by Alfheim
IM NOT BLOODY ARGUING THAT HE WONT HAVE HIS CLAWS OUT!!!!

IM ARGUING THAT HE DIDNT HE GET OUT!!!

IM ARGUING THAT HE WAS STRUGGLING!!!!!! LOOK!!!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=9076822

HES GOING UNGHHHH AND ARGGGHH!!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!

🤨 Do you even understand WHY he's grunting?

It might having something to do with the fact that he was STABBING HIMSELF IN THE HEAD to get his claws out in the first place.. And what did I say? AFTER THE CLAWS WERE OUT. AFTER THEY WERE OUT means AFTER HE WAS DONE STABBING HIMSELF IN THE FRIGGIN HEAD....
What happened then? HE GOT OUT.. NO STRGGLING.. he just got out.. 😐

BTW: I don't think the love of God is going to help your comprhension problems. 😬

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well ok that but that doesnt change anything. Sure in other cases he got out of the webbing but again if there is even more hes not getting out. There is a limit to how much webbing he can dodge or manage.

It's like the wheels aren't turning fast enough upstairs for you.. He got out in other instances because he reacted too fast for Spiderman to web him up "even more".. Wolverine's gotten out of webbingwhile closing the gap on Spidey still shooting the webbing out.. Spiderman can't encase him in webbingif Wolvie doesn't give him the chance.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Lets draw an analogy. Solo is seen fighting Wolverine on various ocassions he has a gun that fires a spary of 10 bullets for the sake of argument. In each incident Wolverine manages to dodge most of them but not all. My point is that if Solo then decides to increase the spary to something like a 1000 theres no way hes dodging them all.

That's only under the assumption that Wolverine's not fast enough to dodge ten bullets when there's multitudes of evidence to support that he can, AND that he can dodge/evade even 1,000.

The reason why that analogy is debunked is because as with the bullets, the webbing scenarios you people are making are making it under the assumption that Wolverine can't close the gap before he gets encased in webbing, which like the bullet analogy is proven wrong when you look at the feats that clearly show that he can.

Originally posted by Alfheim
This is a similar thing to the Spiderman example, Spiderman has webbed him up, Wolverine has got out but the amount of webbing is small in comparison to how much he can actually unleash, so therefore we can conlude is the webbing is unleashed at full force in a wide arc hes not getting out. Maybe he will maybe he wont but in an arena setting its going to be even hard because there are no obstacles that will block the webbing.

How much he can unleash? How do you know? You don't, you're running off of pure speculation...

One might be able to argue that Spiderman could unleash more webbing faster, but one could easily argue the only reason it looks like he isn't is because Wolverine's drilling in to him too fast..

The Iron man example? We don't even get a clear timeframe under which that took place.

The only way that you can "conclude" anything about Wolverine and Spiderman in regards to your webbing scenario is if you rob Wolveirne of his feats while giving Spiderman the benefit of the doubt which is EXACTLY what you're doing here.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
For webbing feats go here:
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,142705.msg2318294.html#msg2318294

Originally posted by jinzin
🤨 Do you even understand WHY he's grunting?

It might having something to do with the fact that he was STABBING HIMSELF IN THE HEAD to get his claws out in the first place.. And what did I say? AFTER THE CLAWS WERE OUT. AFTER THEY WERE OUT means AFTER HE WAS DONE STABBING HIMSELF IN THE FRIGGIN HEAD....
What happened then? HE GOT OUT.. NO STRGGLING.. he just got out.. 😐

BTW: I don't think the love of God is going to help your comprhension problems. 😬

It's like the wheels aren't turning fast enough upstairs for you.. He got out in other instances because he reacted too fast for Spiderman to web him up "even more".. Wolverine's gotten out of webbingwhile closing the gap on Spidey still shooting the webbing out.. Spiderman can't encase him in webbingif Wolvie doesn't give him the chance.

That's only under the assumption that Wolverine's not fast enough to dodge ten bullets when there's multitudes of evidence to support that he can, AND that he can dodge/evade even 1,000.

The reason why that analogy is debunked is because as with the bullets, the webbing scenarios you people are making are making it under the assumption that Wolverine can't close the gap before he gets encased in webbing, which like the bullet analogy is proven wrong when you look at the feats that clearly show that he can.

How much he can unleash? How do you know? You don't, you're running off of pure speculation...

One might be able to argue that Spiderman could unleash more webbing faster, but one could easily argue the only reason it looks like he isn't is because Wolverine's drilling in to him too fast..

The Iron man example? We don't even get a clear timeframe under which that took place.

The only way that you can "conclude" anything about Wolverine and Spiderman in regards to your webbing scenario is if you rob Wolveirne of his feats while giving Spiderman the benefit of the doubt which is EXACTLY what you're doing here.

This all I got say ive had enough.

Originally posted by Badabing

People can't call foul and make excuses every time Logan loses. That's the reason people get sarcastic and bash on these threads when it pertains to certain characters. Superimposing personal thoughts, what ifs, nah ahs and hyperbole onto an on panel fight doesn't take away the from the result.

Originally posted by jinzin
The webbing was all over Logan and it WAS ffixed to walls and the floor...

On the forums there's won't be random walls lying about. 😬

Too me it looks like he's webbing Wolverine's wrists, not his claws, and a brick wall's pretty inflexible so I fail to see how that argument holds water.

And yeah I've got a scan of the next page.. if has Wolverine flip kicking Spiderman in th ball sack and dropping him like a bad habit.. you sure you want to see that? 😕

Spiderman doesn't do that to his opponents every fight, or even half the time, so i fail to see how that's more convenient than normal.

And yet: Show me one feat that Spiderman has that clearly outstrips Wolverine in terms of sheer speed. 😐

Originally posted by Mindship
Look more closely.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...;postid=9076821
Webbing is clearly hitting the claws.

Sorry, but that link is no longer working for some reason.
Anyway, the scan is in my previous post, or on page 874. Just follow the line of web from Spidey's right hand. It goes directly to Wolverine's left-hand claws. Not a smart move on Spidey's part; a poor attempt at a slick move on the writers' part.