Originally posted by jinzin
🤨 Do you even understand WHY he's grunting?It might having something to do with the fact that he was STABBING HIMSELF IN THE HEAD to get his claws out in the first place.. And what did I say? AFTER THE CLAWS WERE OUT. AFTER THEY WERE OUT means AFTER HE WAS DONE STABBING HIMSELF IN THE FRIGGIN HEAD....
What happened then? HE GOT OUT.. NO STRGGLING.. he just got out.. 😐
To be fair though if Spider-man did get him in that kind of situation again and put more webbing on his hands arguably Wolverine's claws wouldnt have enough power to rip the webbing freeing his hand (which is also the part of how wolverine struggled to get out the webbing just because once he freed a hand it was easy dosn't mean he didn't struggle)
And yeah more than likley Wolverine would have his claws out in the fight, but Spidey dosn't have to web Logans hands to his head, he can web them to a wall or knock him to the floor and web them down and just keep pouring on the webbing. because the only reason Logan even manged to get out last time was because he had an adamantium skull if Spidey had webbed his hand like that to a brick wall he couldnt get it off (without the aid of his other claws) because they would just go through the wall like butter and then he could pop his claws to his hearts content but it wouldnt push his fist off of the wall....is this making any sense or should I just give up now?
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Originally posted by Mindship
Not a wall Logan was against, and the webbing on the floor was what was already cut off.
Originally posted by Mindship
But there'll always be a ground (unless the characters can fly).
Which is still pretty limited if you want to use Marvel Team Up as an example...
Originally posted by Mindship
Look more closely.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...;postid=9076821
Webbing is clearly hitting the claws. And the whole idea of the wall is that once affixed to it, Wolverine's position is set.
Oh there's webbing on the claws.. but it's not ONLY on the claws, which is how you tried to make it sound...
Clearly that's not the case since Logan keep proving the opposite.
Originally posted by MindshipHe could have.. so what.. In any given wrestling match I COULD use a double, or a single, or just stay on the defensive and sprawl... But if I lose due to the choices that I make.. well.... 😬
Regardless, he could've done it to Wolverine, but didn't. Bad Spidey.
Originally posted by Mindship
Superhuman speed > peak human speed.
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That's not a feat.. you can give titles to Spiderman and the benefit of the doubt to him all you like but you haven't proven a damned thing.. Not to mention the fact that Wolverine's not a peak human.. he's a superhuman, and he's been described as such in handbooks, in character reference guides, and on panel.. so your cop out bull shi* doesn't account for anything anyhow.
Originally posted by Mindship
Again, note the last panel, where SM was quick enough to grab Logan by the wrists (even if he didn't follow-up properly).
And that means Spiderman's faster than Logan how?
I mean Logan's rammed Spidey head through a tree after grabbing him by the throat.. is that definitive proof that Logan's faster?
Originally posted by Sparkz
To be fair though if Spider-man did get him in that kind of situation again and put more webbing on his hands arguably Wolverine's claws wouldnt have enough power to rip the webbing freeing his hand (which is also the part of how wolverine struggled to get out the webbing just because once he freed a hand it was easy dosn't mean he didn't struggle)
Again.. what did I say when the claws were OUT he didn't struggle.. and he didn't once he had his claws out he got out EASILY.. did he struggle with the webbing before that? yup. Did he struggle getting his claws out? sure...
After though? nope.
Originally posted by SparkzI'm not gonna lie.. that was a bit confusing.. but arena setting kinda eliviates the condition of random walls all over the place..
And yeah more than likley Wolverine would have his claws out in the fight, but Spidey dosn't have to web Logans hands to his head, he can web them to a wall or knock him to the floor and web them down and just keep pouring on the webbing. because the only reason Logan even manged to get out last time was because he had an adamantium skull if Spidey had webbed his hand like that to a brick wall he couldnt get it off (without the aid of his other claws) because they would just go through the wall like butter and then he could pop his claws to his hearts content but it wouldnt push his fist off of the wall....is this making any sense or should I just give up now?
Originally posted by Hitman911Are you seriously arguing that Spiderman could beat iron man?
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No... seriously... are you?
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Originally posted by jinzin
I think it stands as a matter of effeciency.. why dodge if you don't have to when the quickesy way between two points is a straight line?Really? Cause you know he's done a great job o'that so far:
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Originally posted by Air Legend
If those pictures were supposed to prove to prove that Wolverine would beat Spiderman, then I guess this proves that Spiderman can beat Charles, Storm, Cyclops, Collosus, Nightcrawler, Rogue, and WOLVERINE all at once:
to bad after that spiderman got koed by nightcrawler who didnt even teleport the entire fight. Got pinned down by storm with a gulf of win easily and got this done to him by wolverine http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4063175 treated like a bia***.
So spiderman loses to wolverine 7/10.
Originally posted by Air Legend
If those pictures were supposed to prove to prove that Wolverine would beat Spiderman, then I guess this proves that Spiderman can beat Charles, Storm, Cyclops, Collosus, Nightcrawler, Rogue, and WOLVERINE all at once:
That's only because you're inaccurately inpreting events from that comic to be something they weren't..... A fight.
Spiderman got the drop on Xavier, and then basically just bounced around a group of X-Men who were trying to contain him rather than fight or hurt him...
Besides that, the environment is a clear advantage to Spiderman in that scenario, he wouldn't have the advantage of a sneak attack OR that environment in a forum fight..
Furthermore.. Where Wolverine's concerned.. It's really the best feat Spiderman has against Wolverine and what did he do? Really?
All he did was dodge one Wolverine strike and then hit him away, Wolverine was up on panel later. It hardly qualifies itself as a victory worthy of forum rules, as a knockDOWN doesn't equate to a victory.
Now you COULD say that that feat proves that Spiderman's too fast for Wolverine, and that Spiderman doesn't think much of him... BUT... on the other hand, there are far more numerous and far more recent events that show quite the opposite to be true...
Since we on the forums use A) More recent events as having more value than less recent events
and,
B) More numerous events as having more value than the minority of events...
then,
We can conclude that these scans simply don't account for much and that's not even getting into the handfuls of pro-Spidey PIS that went into making that "feat" possible.. ❌
Originally posted by jinzin
That's only because you're inaccurately inpreting events from that comic to be something they weren't..... A fight.Spiderman got the drop on Xavier, and then basically just bounced around a group of X-Men who were trying to contain him rather than fight or hurt him...
Besides that, the environment is a clear advantage to Spiderman in that scenario, he wouldn't have the advantage of a sneak attack OR that environment in a forum fight..
Furthermore.. Where Wolverine's concerned.. It's really the best feat Spiderman has against Wolverine and what did he do? Really?
All he did was dodge one Wolverine strike and then hit him away, Wolverine was up on panel later. It hardly qualifies itself as a victory worthy of forum rules, as a knockDOWN doesn't equate to a victory.
Now you COULD say that that feat proves that Spiderman's too fast for Wolverine, and that Spiderman doesn't think much of him... BUT... on the other hand, there are far more numerous and far more recent events that show quite the opposite to be true...
Since we on the forums use A) More recent events as having more value than less recent events
and,
B) More numerous events as having more value than the minority of events...
then,
We can conclude that these scans simply don't account for much and that's not even getting into the handfuls of pro-Spidey PIS that went into making that "feat" possible.. ❌
air legend..............please jsut go away.
If you think that fight was the one that was not pis, but all the other were then your bias as hell and really should not be listen to.
why would logan jump at spiderman like he did? he two feeat awya yet he jumps up wards.......it was like he purposly tried to attack spiderman as slow a spossiable
Originally posted by Air Legend
I think you missed the line were wolverine said "We're lucky that's all he was trying to do. He really clobbered us!"
According to Wolverine, Spiderman could have done a lot more.
Also, if anything, Wolverine having a good battle with Spiderman is PIS.
Well I guess a lot of pis have been going on. Captain america has owned him 3 times. Wolverine has owned him 4 times. Daredevil koed him once and owned him 2 more times after that. Silver samurai has owned him. King pin has owned him 4 times. X23 had him dead with her claws to his neck but let him go. Night crawler has owned him without teleporting. Iron fist owned him on one occasion. Elektra stabbed him in the shoulder once, koing him and then she fought him again and kicked him unconcouis. Toad man owned him by slamming him into a diesel, which koed him. Task master has owned him.
Answer this for me, when is all this pis going to stop.
Originally posted by carver9
Well I guess a lot of pis have been going on. Captain america has owned him 3 times. Wolverine has owned him 4 times. Daredevil koed him once and owned him 2 more times after that. Silver samurai has owned him. King pin has owned him 4 times. X23 had him dead with her claws to his neck but let him go. Night crawler has owned him without teleporting. Iron fist owned him on one occasion. Elektra stabbed him in the shoulder once, koing him and then she fought him again and kicked him unconcouis. Toad man owned him by slamming him into a diesel, which koed him. Task master has owned him.Answer this for me, when is all this pis going to stop.
I just don't like how a lot of people like to dismiss almost all of Spiderman's impressive feats as PIS.
Originally posted by Air LegendAgreed, though I wouldn't go quite so far. A lot of weaker people have got the better of Spider-Man. Logan has his share of low feats too. But if Spider-Man is operate at his peak (which is assumed for KMC fights), then he should wipe the floor with Wolverine, as has been said many times in this epic and somewhat worthless thread.
I think you missed the line were wolverine said "We're lucky that's all he was trying to do. He really clobbered us!"
According to Wolverine, Spiderman could have done a lot more.
Also, if anything, Wolverine having a good battle with Spiderman is PIS.
And I think it worth mentioning that the Secret Wars (1980s) was a more recent portrayal than the Nightcrawler/Spider-Man fight in ASM 161 (1976). If people want to debate with all of Wolverine's top feats, then Spider-Man's must also be used and the Secret Wars encounter is definitely in bounds.
Originally posted by carver9Er, I really don't think it is necessary to count up the amount of time's Wolverine has been owned, because it happens just as often, if not moreso, especially in the early days. Might be fun, though, and could add some perspective. 😉
Well I guess a lot of pis have been going on. Captain america has owned him 3 times. Wolverine has owned him 4 times. Daredevil koed him once and owned him 2 more times after that. Silver samurai has owned him. King pin has owned him 4 times. X23 had him dead with her claws to his neck but let him go. Night crawler has owned him without teleporting. Iron fist owned him on one occasion. Elektra stabbed him in the shoulder once, koing him and then she fought him again and kicked him unconcouis. Toad man owned him by slamming him into a diesel, which koed him. Task master has owned him.Answer this for me, when is all this pis going to stop.
Originally posted by Air Legend
I think you missed the line were wolverine said "We're lucky that's all he was trying to do. He really clobbered us!"
According to Wolverine, Spiderman could have done a lot more.
Also, if anything, Wolverine having a good battle with Spiderman is PIS.
I didn't miss that part... Logan also says later damn near the same thing about Wasp.. that doesn't mean Wasp is taking the X-Men in a fight... 😐
It also doesn't help that none of their encounters since then have equated to Wolvie's hyperbole to be true.
And WHAT? How the hell did you come to that conclussion?
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Agreed, though I wouldn't go quite so far. A lot of weaker people have got the better of Spider-Man. Logan has his share of low feats too. But if Spider-Man is operate at his peak (which is assumed for KMC fights), then he should wipe the floor with Wolverine, as has been said many times in this epic and somewhat worthless thread.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
And I think it worth mentioning that the Secret Wars (1980s) was a more recent portrayal than the Nightcrawler/Spider-Man fight in ASM 161 (1976). If people want to debate with all of Wolverine's top feats, then Spider-Man's must also be used and the Secret Wars encounter is definitely in bounds.
No one said it couldn't be used.. 😕
Originally posted by AcrosurgeWolverine doesn't get owned or humiliated NEAR as much as Spiderman in one on one fights with skilled opponents.. 😐
Er, I really don't think it is necessary to count up the amount of time's Wolverine has been owned, because it happens just as often, if not moreso, especially in the early days. Might be fun, though, and could add some perspective. 😉
The majority of the time that he does lose to them it's because he's affected by plot devices.. 😐
Originally posted by jinzinDon't be so quick to call ignorance. That's a cheap debating trick and suspect for anyone who knows to look for it.
You're completely bias or ignorant if you honestly think that this fight is as much of a stomp as Spiderman mopping the floor with Logan.. There's not ONE good reason for that to happen...
When scanning their respect threads, Spider-Man's top feats seem to be more impressive than Wolverine's. "Wipe the Floor" may be too strong a phrase, but the top level Spider-Man should gain a KO over Wolverine. But you've heard it all before, really. The opinions aren't one-sided here.
Originally posted by jinzinNo matter how you stretch, Wolverine loses just as often and one can apply PIS to Spider-Man's losses just as easily as Logan's. *shrugs*
Wolverine doesn't get owned or humiliated NEAR as much as Spiderman in one on one fights with skilled opponents.. 😐The majority of the time that he does lose to them it's because he's affected by plot devices.. 😐
