Wolverine vs. Spider-Man

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Don't be so quick to call ignorance. That's a cheap debating trick and suspect for anyone who knows to look for it.

Unfortunately in your case it's also obvious since the only people that would ever possibly think that Spiderman could and/or would "mop the floor" with Logan are either insane fanboys or completely ignorant... 😐

Originally posted by Acrosurge
When scanning their respect threads, Spider-Man's top feats seem to be more impressive than Wolverine's.

In terms of what?
What feats lead you to believe that he can beat Logan?

And aren't you kind of defeating your own position.. anyone who needs to go through the characters' repect threads to have a decent grasp on the outcome of the fight, is probably ignorant of the capability of siad characters. 😬

Originally posted by Acrosurge
"Wipe the Floor" may be too strong a phrase, but the top level Spider-Man should gain a KO over Wolverine.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
But you've heard it all before, really. The opinions aren't one-sided here.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
No matter how you stretch, Wolverine loses just as often and one can apply PIS to Spider-Man's losses just as easily as Logan's. *shrugs*

Once again.. Pete has ONE good feat against Logan in Secret Wars and it's stacked against multitudes of others.. Aside from that I already picked apart the Secret Wars debacle and I didn't even have to apply PIS to the feat to do it. 😐

so Jinzin, out of 10 matches, what do you think is the breakdown between the two?

It's close... I think that if you could distribute a 5.5 to spidey's 4.5 then that would be it, but rounded off I guess we're looking at a 6/10 for Logan...

I DO think that Spidey can incapacitate him with webbing, I DO think he can do so in expert fashion.. I just don't think he'd be able to pull that off for the majority.

Originally posted by jinzin

I DO think that Spidey can incapacitate him with webbing, I DO think he can do so in expert fashion.. I just don't think he'd be able to pull that off for the majority.

I dont see why not. As far as I know Spiderman cover more distance more quickly than Wolverine, we can obvoulsy see that Spiderman can catch Wolverine with the webbing the problem is he does not apply himself but under forum rules they fight at best ability.

I guess it wouldnt be a walk in the park but if Wolverine slips up once....TOAST!

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont see why not. As far as I know Spiderman cover more distance more quickly than Wolverine, we can obvoulsy see that Spiderman can catch Wolverine with the webbing the problem is he does not apply himself but under forum rules they fight at best ability.

I guess it wouldnt be a walk in the park but if Wolverine slips up once....TOAST!

We've seen Wolveirne get out of webbing mid-webbing numerous times.. I don't see how Spiderman fares better on the forums.. since it oes against all his Wolverine related showings.. and if we're using other showings than his pro-showings against Wolverine don't mean anything since they don't have Wolves to the best of HIS abilities.

Originally posted by jinzin
We've seen Wolveirne get out of webbing mid-webbing numerous times..

....and as I keep saying that was not a ****load of webbing like for example what he threw at Tony Starks. You keep saying that Wolverine has got out of Webbing Wolverine has not been in a situation where he has had to get out of a ****load.

Originally posted by jinzin

I don't see how Spiderman fares better on the forums.. since it oes against all his Wolverine related showings.. and if we're using other showings than his pro-showings against Wolverine don't mean anything since they don't have Wolves to the best of HIS abilities.

Hes going to do better on these forums because Spiderman is not going to engage him in H2H. He seems to have fought Wolverine various times in H2H and could have ended up dead.

Spiderman may not be as good as Wolverine in H2H but im pretty sure he has better reflexes and can cover more distance. If that is the case all he needs is keep his distance and keep bombarding Wolverine with webbing. The reason why he does better on this forum is because Spiderman would fight differently.

What was the webbing feat wolverine got out of?

Originally posted by Alfheim
....and as I keep saying that was not a ****load of webbing like for example what he threw at Tony Starks. You keep saying that Wolverine has got out of Webbing Wolverine has not been in a situation where he has had to get out of a ****load.

Hes going to do better on these forums because Spiderman is not going to engage him in H2H. He seems to have fought Wolverine various times in H2H and could have ended up dead.

Spiderman may not be as good as Wolverine in H2H but im pretty sure he has better reflexes and can cover more distance. If that is the case all he needs is keep his distance and keep bombarding Wolverine with webbing. The reason why he does better on this forum is because Spiderman would fight differently.

Because during in-fight scenarios he's never given Peter the chance.. hence him getting out during MID-WEBBING... 😬

How do you know he's not going to engage him in h2h?.. Spiderman engages enimies in h2h bouts 87% of the time he fights ANYBODY and that's includin people he has no business trying to fight in h2h bouts like Sandman, Hydro, Venom, Carnage, suped up Electro...

If it's due to CIS, CIS isn't exempt from these debates.. in MOST instances it far more likely that Peter's going to at some point engage Wolverine in a h2h fight.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
What was the webbing feat wolverine got out of?

Originally posted by jinzin
Because during in-fight scenarios he's never given Peter the chance.. hence him getting out during MID-WEBBING... 😬

Do I have to repeat myself again? Do you understand what im saying? Do I have to say "Yeah I know.....but."

What the hell....yes im aware of that but that was not a webb ****storm. Just because he can get out of a relatively small amout of webbing does not mean hes getting out of loads.

Just because he can lift 2 tons does not mean he can lift a 100 tons.

Originally posted by jinzin

How do you know he's not going to engage him in h2h?.. Spiderman engages enimies in h2h bouts 87% of the time he fights ANYBODY and that's includin people he has no business trying to fight in h2h bouts like Sandman, Hydro, Venom, Carnage, suped up Electro...

If it's due to CIS, CIS isn't exempt from these debates.. in MOST instances it far more likely that Peter's going to at some point engage Wolverine in a h2h fight.

Well then we have a problem. The rules states CIS but the rules also state they will fight to the best of their ability. CIS implies that Spiderman will engage Wolverine in H2H, best ability rules implies that Spiderman is going to try and hit Wolverine with a webbing ****storm.

Originally posted by jinzin
There are multiple feats posted about 15 to 20 pages back.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=10185&pagenumber=892

Was this the page, if so, I really didn't see nothing in the way of spiderman dumping a S***load of webbing on wolverine like he did Iron man.

What I did see, was wolverine tooling spidey in H2H combat, which I agree he would take probably every single time.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=10185&pagenumber=892

Was this the page, if so, I really didn't see nothing in the way of spiderman dumping a S***load of webbing on wolverine like he did Iron man.

What I did see, was wolverine tooling spidey in H2H combat, which I agree he would take probably every single time.

Thats exactly what im saying. An assumption is being made that just because Wolverine can get out of a certain amount of webbing that he can get out of loads. Maybe but that seems illogical

Originally posted by Alfheim
Do I have to repeat myself again? Do you understand what im saying? Do I have to say "Yeah I know.....but."

What the hell....yes im aware of that but that was not a webb ****storm. Just because he can get out of a relatively small amout of webbing does not mean hes getting out of loads.

Just because he can lift 2 tons does not mean he can lift a 100 tons.

Well then we have a problem. The rules states CIS but the rules also state they will fight to the best of their ability. CIS implies that Spiderman will engage Wolverine in H2H, best ability rules implies that Spiderman is going to try and hit Wolverine with a webbing ****storm.

You see here's the thing, you're taking one solitary time that Spiderman's unleashed "loads" of webbing and appliyng that as your standard, thus ignoring all the times he's been in the thickof the shit with badgus and struggled to amass enough webbing fast enough to pull off (insert various feats here).... The thing with Iron Man, as Cresh stated is nothing more than a PIS induced instance. What's worse is that it doesn't even give you a relative outlook on the amount of time he took to do it, so continuously putting that one example on the table and saying that it's the standard for everytime Peter fights is absurd especially when his organic webshooters have already been shown to be fairly inconsistent.

Now my point is simple.. You can't really say that Spiderman wasn't trying to spray loads of webbing on Logan when he got stabbed, nor can you say that about thetime he had Logan half cacooned.. What we can say is hat Wolverine's speed was enough to get out of the webing in those instances.. any insinutation that Spiderman could have sprayed more webbing faster is purely speculation on your part..

Spiderman can fight to the best o his ability and still be affected by CIS.. Classic Savage Hulk fights to the best of his ability but he's still going to be a gulable retard.. that's just the character that exists..

Take Venom for instance.. there aren't many battles that him or Carnage for that matter would lose on the forums fighting at the best of their abilities in a fashion that WE can think up for them. But when you include the characteristic part of the characters they start losing a lot of fights on the forums due to sheer stupidity oroverconfidence alone.. it doesn't dictate that they're incapible in any way shape or form.. just that they are who they are.. not just mindless automotons.

Spiderman might try that 2 or 3 times out of 10, he won't be doing that for a majority and what's worse there's not even a guarantee that it'd work.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=10185&pagenumber=892

Was this the page, if so, I really didn't see nothing in the way of spiderman dumping a S***load of webbing on wolverine like he did Iron man.

What I did see, was wolverine tooling spidey in H2H combat, which I agree he would take probably every single time.

that wasn't it.

Originally posted by jinzin

Spiderman might try that 2 or 3 times out of 10, he won't be doing that for a majority and what's worse there's not even a guarantee that it'd work.

So why'd you give Spiderman 4 wins if you think he only tries that 3 times max and the fact that he might not even succeed all 3 😕

Well I don't think that the "I'll just unleash all web hell and see what happens" would be the only strategy Spidey would come up with in a fight with Logan.

Originally posted by jinzin
You see here's the thing, you're taking one solitary time that Spiderman's unleashed "loads" of webbing and appliyng that as your standard,

That doesnt change the fact that its an option for Spiderman. Namor has used the elecroshock a few times but its still a viable option on this forum. Furthermore Spiderman has shown on numerous ocassions to be able to make loads of webbing like making a massive statue of webbing, so no its not one solitary moment.

Originally posted by jinzin

thus ignoring all the times he's been in the thickof the shit with badgus and struggled to amass enough webbing fast enough to pull off (insert various feats here)....

Why would Spiderman not be able to keep webbing up Wolverine. The only way he cant keep webbing up Wolverine is due to CIS, but hes shown that he can web up Wolverine with a relatively small amount of webbing.....but he stopped. Spiderman webs up Wolverine with a certain amount of webbing then stops.

Originally posted by jinzin

The thing with Iron Man, as Cresh stated is nothing more than a PIS induced instance.

I dont think he explained a damn thing. All it looked like was that he was putting words into Badabings mouth.

Originally posted by jinzin

What's worse is that it doesn't even give you a relative outlook on the amount of time he took to do it, so continuously putting that one example on the table and saying that it's the standard for everytime Peter fights is absurd especially when his organic webshooters have already been shown to be fairly inconsistent.

That doesnt change anything.

1.That doesnt change the fact that its an option for Spiderman. Namor has used the elecroshock a few times but its still a viable option on this forum. Furthermore Spiderman has shown on numerous ocassions to be able to make loads of webbing like making a massive statue of webbing, so no its not one solitary moment.

2.
Why would Spiderman not be able to keep webbing up Wolverine. The only way he cant keep webbing up Wolverine is due to CIS, but hes shown that he can web up Wolverine with a relatively small amount of webbing.....but he stopped. Spiderman webs up Wolverine with a certain amount of webbing then stops.

Originally posted by jinzin

Now my point is simple.. You can't really say that Spiderman wasn't trying to spray loads of webbing on Logan when he got stabbed, nor can you say that about thetime he had Logan half cacooned.. What we can say is hat Wolverine's speed was enough to get out of the webing in those instances.. any insinutation that Spiderman could have sprayed more webbing faster is purely speculation on your part..

No its not Wolverine got webbed but Spiderman stopped, what would have happened if Spiderman had kept on webbing Wolverine with a constant stream? Wolverine would have taken longer to get out of it.

Originally posted by jinzin

Spiderman can fight to the best o his ability and still be affected by CIS.. Classic Savage Hulk fights to the best of his ability but he's still going to be a gulable retard.. that's just the character that exists..

Take Venom for instance.. there aren't many battles that him or Carnage for that matter would lose on the forums fighting at the best of their abilities in a fashion that WE can think up for them. But when you include the characteristic part of the characters they start losing a lot of fights on the forums due to sheer stupidity oroverconfidence alone.. it doesn't dictate that they're incapible in any way shape or form.. just that they are who they are.. not just mindless automotons.

Spiderman might try that 2 or 3 times out of 10, he won't be doing that for a majority and what's worse there's not even a guarantee that it'd work.

Actually your right because they fight at best ability but within their perosonalities. Im not sure if he would try it only 2 or 3 times there have been various fights with Spiderman were he tried to web up Wolverine sometimes at the beginning of the fight. There at least 3 fihts were he has tried this. The best ability rules implies that when he trys to web up Wolverine he would probably try full capacity, the vidence indicate though it will work because as I keep saying he has had to get out of a small amount of webbing he will have trouble getting otu of loads.

Originally posted by jinzin
Well I don't think that the "I'll just unleash all web hell and see what happens" would be the only strategy Spidey would come up with in a fight with Logan.

so what are the other strategies pete can come up with that would be effective against Logan?

Originally posted by jinzin
You see here's the thing, you're taking one solitary time that Spiderman's unleashed "loads" of webbing and appliyng that as your standard, thus ignoring all the times he's been in the thickof the shit with badgus and struggled to amass enough webbing fast enough to pull off (insert various feats here).... The thing with Iron Man, as Cresh stated is nothing more than a PIS induced instance. What's worse is that it doesn't even give you a relative outlook on the amount of time he took to do it, so continuously putting that one example on the table and saying that it's the standard for everytime Peter fights is absurd especially when his organic webshooters have already been shown to be fairly inconsistent.

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They have been shown to be inconsistent, but it seems your picking the low/average showings and ignoring the higher showings.

Originally posted by jinzin

Now my point is simple.. You can't really say that Spiderman wasn't trying to spray loads of webbing on Logan when he got stabbed, nor can you say that about thetime he had Logan half cacooned.. What we can say is hat Wolverine's speed was enough to get out of the webing in those instances.. any insinutation that Spiderman could have sprayed more webbing faster is purely speculation on your part..

I wont pretend like I been here for the whole debate, so I don't know the whole story. But isn't it also speculation on your part that he couldn't, hasn't he webbed wolverine up in the past?

Originally posted by jinzin

Spiderman can fight to the best o his ability and still be affected by CIS.. Classic Savage Hulk fights to the best of his ability but he's still going to be a gulable retard.. that's just the character that exists..

So spiderman has to fight like an idiot via CIS, but not wolverine? We both know wolverine uses his vast knowledge of fighting rarely and often riles solely on his healing factor as he charges straight into fights (which is pretty much the only reason why other street levelers, DD, BP etc) have good showings against him, when in all honestly they shouldn't have much of a chance against wolverine in pure H2H combat, good fights yes, but wins, no.

If spidey fights like and idiot, wolverine wins every time, but when wolverine is brought up in another thread, I'll be sure to mention wolverines multiple CIS fights.

Originally posted by jinzin

Spiderman might try that 2 or 3 times out of 10, he won't be doing that for a majority and what's worse there's not even a guarantee that it'd work.

Well CIS plays a major roll in fighting to the top of ones ability, also isn't it speculation that spiderman will charge in to H2H via CIS? What if fighting to the best of his ability is keeping his distance (which he has shown to due in the past) and fighting on his terms?

Good points actually Apollo.