Originally posted by Alfheim
That doesnt change the fact that its an option for Spiderman. Namor has used the elecroshock a few times but its still a viable option on this forum. Furthermore Spiderman has shown on numerous ocassions to be able to make loads of webbing like making a massive statue of webbing, so no its not one solitary moment.
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No one said it wasn't an option. just that it isn't a likely scenario that Spiderman would put into play a majority of the time. Even if it was, it's still not a likely scenario to work based on existing evidence..
Originally posted by Alfheim
Why would Spiderman not be able to keep webbing up Wolverine. The only way he cant keep webbing up Wolverine is due to CIS, but hes shown that he can web up Wolverine with a relatively small amount of webbing.....but he stopped. Spiderman webs up Wolverine with a certain amount of webbing then stops.
No, what he showed was that he could web up Wolverine with an assload and a half of circumstances in his favor.. but go on and continue to ignore them, I'm sure that if they haven't been drilled into your brain by now me telling you what they were again won't make much difference..
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont think he explained a damn thing. All it looked like was that he was putting words into Badabings mouth.
Originally posted by Alfheim
That doesnt change anything.
Yes it does.. 😐
Time is the ONE THING THAT PETER FOR SURE NEEDS in order to web Logan up.. if he doesn't have it, it's not gonna happen.. It makes all the difference.
Originally posted by Alfheim
1.That doesnt change the fact that its an option for Spiderman. Namor has used the elecroshock a few times but its still a viable option on this forum. Furthermore Spiderman has shown on numerous ocassions to be able to make loads of webbing like making a massive statue of webbing, so no its not one solitary moment.
Again not arguing that it's an option...
In a fight with Hulk, Venom could go into stealth mode, use his telepathy and tendrils to instill nightmares into Hulk's brain that suffocate him whle he's disctracted.. and why not? it's an option afterall.. but it just isn't likely that Venom's gonna fight like that a majority of the time... 😬
Originally posted by Alfheim
No its not Wolverine got webbed but Spiderman stopped, what would have happened if Spiderman had kept on webbing Wolverine with a constant stream? Wolverine would have taken longer to get out of it.
SPiderman tried that very thing in MK Spidey 13 and he GOT STABBED while in the process of webbing.. 😐
Originally posted by Alfheim
Actually your right because they fight at best ability but within their perosonalities. Im not sure if he would try it only 2 or 3 times there have been various fights with Spiderman were he tried to web up Wolverine sometimes at the beginning of the fight. There at least 3 fihts were he has tried this. The best ability rules implies that when he trys to web up Wolverine he would probably try full capacity, the vidence indicate though it will work because as I keep saying he has had to get out of a small amount of webbing he will have trouble getting otu of loads.
But he hasn't had much trouble getting out of small amounts of webbing.. the only time he did was when he didn't have his claws out.. 😬
Take taskmaster for instance.. Spiderman was trying to spray him and he was cutting it away so fast that Pete eventually just gave it up and went back to h2h.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
They have been shown to be inconsistent, but it seems your picking the low/average showings and ignoring the higher showings.
Not at all. I'm not ignoring the higher ones whatsoever.. but as your post just inadvertantly admitted.. the lower showings are far more average.. where a majority must be decided we have to find a middle ground with our evidence.. Peter's middle ground is more to the lower end than the high.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I wont pretend like I been here for the whole debate, so I don't know the whole story. But isn't it also speculation on your part that he couldn't, hasn't he webbed wolverine up in the past?
Not really... The only time Logan's had issues escaping was when he didn't have his claws ou among other things.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
So spiderman has to fight like an idiot via CIS, but not wolverine? We both know wolverine uses his vast knowledge of fighting rarely and often riles solely on his healing factor as he charges straight into fights (which is pretty much the only reason why other street levelers, DD, BP etc) have good showings against him, when in all honestly they shouldn't have much of a chance against wolverine in pure H2H combat, good fights yes, but wins, no.
Why do you assume that I think Spidey would fight like an idiot.. He BY AND LARGE goes hand to hand with 97% of his opponents... he BY AND LARGE uses weebing feats in fights that go more towards the low end than the high... he BY AND LARGE doesn't do so hot when he gets into confrontations with Wolverine....
Again as per my Venom example.. I don't think that Venom would go at Hulk JTF commando style and take him out with his extraordinary abilities, but I certainly don't think he'd fight like an idiot.. he just has a serious affliction for getting into brawls with people...
Originally posted by Apolloknight
If spidey fights like and idiot, wolverine wins every time, but when wolverine is brought up in another thread, I'll be sure to mention wolverines multiple CIS fights.
You can go right ahead, but chances are that if I'm arguing for Wolverine in a thread I've already got a large plethora of pro Wolvie evidence to bring to the debate at hand.. something Spiderman's lacking here.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Well CIS plays a major roll in fighting to the top of ones ability, also isn't it speculation that spiderman will charge in to H2H via CIS? What if fighting to the best of his ability is keeping his distance (which he has shown to due in the past) and fighting on his terms?
Never said he'd charge in, just that at some point he's likely to engage Wolverine in hand to hand.. isn't it more likely that Wolverine would innevitably bring the fight to Spidey than the other way around considering Wolverine's massive offensive advantages?
It's not unlikely that Spidey would either meet him int turn or run out of other options..
If Spiderman had more examples where he was doing that with people like Wolverine I'd say you had a point, but since he doesn't... then you'd be talking about someone who isn't Spiderman. 🙂
Wolverine isnt close to being fast as sound but I do give him the majority, 7/10. The sad thing is, the only way spiderman could get a victory over wolverine is due to webbing.
Wolverine knows this, he knows that spiderman strength is mute to him. So if wolverine know that the only way he could be defeated by spiderman is by webbing, what do you think that he would try to avoid the most.
Spiderman would have a very hard time hitting wolverine with webbing.
Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine isnt close to being fast as sound but I do give him the majority, 7/10. The sad thing is, the only way spiderman could get a victory over wolverine is due to webbing.Wolverine knows this, he knows that spiderman strength is mute to him. So if wolverine know that the only way he could be defeated by spiderman is by webbing, what do you think that he would try to avoid the most.
Spiderman would have a very hard time hitting wolverine with webbing.
And Wolverine is going to kill Spiderman how without his claws? It works both way they are both fairly uneffected against eachother without their weapons. Wolverine has fighting and Durability. Spidey has the speed, strength and agility. So Spidey may have a slight advantage
Originally posted by python99
And Wolverine is going to kill Spiderman how without his claws? It works both way they are both fairly uneffected against eachother without their weapons. Wolverine has fighting and Durability. Spidey has the speed, strength and agility. So Spidey may have a slight advantage
I guess you know nothing of wolverine since he has super human speed, agilityreflexes. WOW, read a little more on wolverine.
http://en.marveldatabase.com/James_Howlett_%28Earth-616%29
Originally posted by python99
And Wolverine is going to kill Spiderman how without his claws? It works both way they are both fairly uneffected against eachother without their weapons. Wolverine has fighting and Durability. Spidey has the speed, strength and agility. So Spidey may have a slight advantage
and to bad wolverine has already stabbed spiderman who still had his spiderman sense and was well aware of the danger that he was in. To bad spiderman has already questioned his speed against wolverine saying that wolverine could be as fast if not faster than him.
Since Wolvys upgrade to his healing factor he can take more damage so Spiderman will have to not hold back anything at all and he will get the win eventually. But Logan will only have to tag him once or twice and hes done, but Spidey using his surroundings can get at least 5/10.
This battle is closer than people think.
Wasn't it explained that he has Warewolf abilities like strength and speed, and that's why hes so fast and strong? Or was that a rumor. If true issue number and comic title please.
Originally posted by carver9
I guess you know nothing of wolverine since he has super human speed, agilityreflexes. WOW, read a little more on wolverine.
http://en.marveldatabase.com/James_Howlett_%28Earth-616%29
Thats all fine and dandy if if was directly on par with Spideys super human speed agility and reflexes. WOW, read a little more on Spiderman
Originally posted by Grifter07
Since Wolvys upgrade to his healing factor he can take more damage so Spiderman will have to not hold back anything at all and he will get the win eventually. But Logan will only have to tag him once or twice and hes done, but Spidey using his surroundings can get at least 5/10.This battle is closer than people think.
Wasn't it explained that he has Warewolf abilities like strength and speed, and that's why hes so fast and strong? Or was that a rumor. If true issue number and comic title please.
Ok, you do know what a arena is right. There is no surroundings in a arena. So what is there for spiderman to use.
Originally posted by carver9
and to bad wolverine has already stabbed spiderman who still had his spiderman sense and was well aware of the danger that he was in. To bad spiderman has already questioned his speed against wolverine saying that wolverine could be as fast if not faster than him.
You whole point was on Spidey beating Wolverine only by his webbing. I simply said that if Wolverine had no claws would he not be in the same situation. Spidey Questiond his speed against Wolverine like what like 50 years ago ( not comic years) the same time he mentioned that he was moving slow and sloppy.
Originally posted by python99
Thats all fine and dandy if if was directly on par with Spideys super human speed agility and reflexes. WOW, read a little more on Spiderman
The only thing i got to say to this is, lol.
Ok, Spiderman already question his speed against wolverine, got stabbed by wolverine, got choked and slammed to the wall by wolverine, got kicked in the nuts by wolverine, what more do you need to realize that wolverine speed and reflexes is up there with spiderman. Now I do agree that spiderman is more agile than wolverine, thats what make spiderman BUT do you want to know what close that gap by a huge majority, Wolverine superhuman fighting ability. Wolverine is one of the best fighters or could be the best fighter in marvel and hes a great tactian.
On everyone of spidermans and wolverines encounter, spiderman got owned every time but has humilated a wolverine that wasnt even trying to hurt him but calm him down. Yes I give spiderman his props, he does well against kraven, he does well against lizard, he does well against rhino, now I want you to look at the difference of the people that I name that he does well against and the people that he dont do so well against. He got stomped by black tarantula, got stabbed and koed by elektra, got koed by silver samurai, got owned by captain america 3 times, got owned by x23 and almost killed, daredevil koed him once and stalemated him the second time, taskmaster koed him, Sabertooth almost killed him but let him go, King pin humiliated him. I want you to see the difference and see why spiderman would lose to wolverine.
Even though he has wolverine in the agility and strength department, spiderman strength dont mean jack against a guy that shruggs off hulk, wendigo and colossus level strength and he agility means jack against someone who could keep up with him and find a tactical way to exploit a weakness in that advantage. Wolverine 7/10.
Read more on wolverine and spiderman.
Originally posted by python99
You whole point was on Spidey beating Wolverine only by his webbing. I simply said that if Wolverine had no claws would he not be in the same situation. Spidey Questiond his speed against Wolverine like what like 50 years ago ( not comic years) the same time he mentioned that he was moving slow and sloppy.
Yeah a while ago he did question his speed against wolverine, these days hes getting stabbed by wolverine, choked and humiliated by wolverine http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4063175 kicked in the nuts by wolverine passing out. Scared frightened of wolverine ending with him webbing a wolverine up that wasnt paying him any attention but trying to capture a kid. Getting his back caved in by wolverine that wasnt using his claws. I can keep going.
So back then spiderman questioned his speed against wolverine, these days hes getting humiliated by wolverine, see the difference.
Originally posted by carver9
Yeah a while ago he did question his speed against wolverine, these days hes getting stabbed by wolverine, choked and humiliated by wolverine http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4063175 kicked in the nuts by wolverine passing out. Scared frightened of wolverine ending with him webbing a wolverine up that wasnt paying him any attention but trying to capture a kid. Getting his back caved in by wolverine that wasnt using his claws. I can keep going.So back then spiderman questioned his speed against wolverine, these days hes getting humiliated by wolverine, see the difference.
you sound a bit biased.
Originally posted by carver9
The only thing i got to say to this is, lol.Ok, Spiderman already question his speed against wolverine, got stabbed by wolverine, got choked and slammed to the wall by wolverine, got kicked in the nuts by wolverine, what more do you need to realize that wolverine speed and reflexes is up there with spiderman. Now I do agree that spiderman is more agile than wolverine, thats what make spiderman BUT do you want to know what close that gap by a huge majority, Wolverine superhuman fighting ability. Wolverine is one of the best fighters or could be the best fighter in marvel and hes a great tactian.
On everyone of spidermans and wolverines encounter, spiderman got owned every time but has humilated a wolverine that wasnt even trying to hurt him but calm him down. Yes I give spiderman his props, he does well against kraven, he does well against lizard, he does well against rhino, now I want you to look at the difference of the people that I name that he does well against and the people that he dont do so well against. He got stomped by black tarantula, got stabbed and koed by elektra, got koed by silver samurai, got owned by captain america 3 times, got owned by x23 and almost killed, daredevil koed him once and stalemated him the second time, taskmaster koed him, Sabertooth almost killed him but let him go, King pin humiliated him. I want you to see the difference and see why spiderman would lose to wolverine.
Even though he has wolverine in the agility and strength department, spiderman strength dont mean jack against a guy that shruggs off hulk, wendigo and colossus level strength and he agility means jack against someone who could keep up with him and find a tactical way to exploit a weakness in that advantage. Wolverine 7/10.
Read more on wolverine and spiderman.
What are all these old ass so called battles you bring up between Spidey and Wolverine. Anyways you are missing my point . You said that Spidey only beats Wolverine via webbing.. And I ask you without Wolverines claws how does he beat Spiderman. All you tell me is that he has superhuman speed reflexes and agility. Something that we all know Spiderman has but better. Don't get me wrong Wolverine has some comparable feats, key Word SOME. Spidey still has tons more showing of speed that Wolverine has yet to match.
Lets bring some more recent things. not old ass showings, like Kingpin owning Spiderman, God that is so ancient. How about the more recent fight?