Originally posted by CorderaMitchellAnd you would know this . . how?
well when you go all out and try to kill someone, you are hardly talking and much less thinking, something that spidey does waaaaay too much.
Oh, you mean like superman!
well in the state of being beserk alone, it represents insurmountable anger, and anger clouds the mind or thought, think reaaaaaaaaaaaly hard of a righteuos battle or something. Or you lost a loved one, but you saw the killer and went beserk, no thought came to you, no pain, no empathy, only that one goal. you wouldn't be measuring how hard to hit, or when to give up, superhuman strength endows, and even a force of trauma to the head so great to the victim will clamp the jaws to the point that it takes a crowbar to open it.
gross but true.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellAnd what if you were fighting out of fear?
well in the state of being beserk alone, it represents insurmountable anger, and anger clouds the mind or thought, think reaaaaaaaaaaaly hard of a righteuos battle or something. Or you lost a loved one, but you saw the killer and went beserk, no thought came to you, no pain, no empathy, only that one goal. you wouldn't be measuring how hard to hit, or when to give up, superhuman strength endows, and even a force of trauma to the head so great to the victim will clamp the jaws to the point that it takes a crowbar to open it.gross but true.
Ah Fear, a intersting kind of passion that keeps us safe, or tortures us more than the worst device.
Fear as you know, allows the fight or flight response in a situation of emergency.Superhuman feats are endowed, allowing you to fight harder, faster, stronger, or run better and ignore all in your way, and sometimes ignorance is the most powerful force in the world, allowing things to be done we would never do, unless insane, or in extreme denial, as even fear shelters the stupid.
There was a situation where a man was trying so hard to run from someone, and another tried to grab and soothe the victim, and the victim pulled away soo hard, that the armed was pulled out of its socket and the nerves stretched so bad it would have been fatal if it were the head.
again gross but true
as the dog said to the master, I ran for a meal, the creature ran and fought for its life.
Originally posted by CreshoskIf he didn't say " I was trying to kill Wolverine but it was impossible." why should we assume that he was going for a KILL from the statement " I gave it all I had " or something along those lines.
Wolverine lied to Spiderman, spiderman lied to. . spiderman?Wolverine lied cause he wanted the fight to end without killing spiderman. You can infer this by the punch Wolverine got off on spiderman just before he called off the fight(It was a claws sheathed punch).
I'm guessing wolverine respects spiderman from that fight, probably why he was smiling.
Now why would Spiderman lie to. . . himself?
And Spider-man has always had self-doubt problems. He has also said that he has terrible luck, and that's obviously incorrect for whose luck is better? I see what you mean though and he didn't seem mistaken about what he had said to himself. I'm just saying that you may be giving the statement far too much credit as evidence for wolverine or against Spider-man. Was he trying to stop wolverine or kill him?
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Originally posted by The MISTERHe was trying to make him stay down so that wolverine wouldn't kill him.
If he didn't say " I was trying to kill Wolverine but it was impossible." why should we assume that he was going for a KILL from the statement " I gave it all I had " or something along those lines.And Spider-man has always had self-doubt problems. He has also said that he has terrible luck, and that's obviously incorrect for whose luck is better? I see what you mean though and he didn't seem mistaken about what he had said to himself. I'm just saying that you may be giving the statement far too much credit as evidence for wolverine or against Spider-man. Was he trying to stop wolverine or kill him?
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"I'm hitting him hard enough to wreck cars. Other people would be jelly by now."
You tell me. 😉
yes and no
Spidey launching fatal punches for humans isn't that far a magnitude in his strength, just like it isn't hard for many animals to do so, an spidey has the CAPABILITY to be much more deadly than any normal thing or animal.
In that world we assume that spidey knows logan can take shots to his skeleton, without dying-
Or maybe thats the problem, spidey DIDN'T know that wolverine was so durable until during the fight, and is surprised that his punches have little effect on a unique opponent.
Only to many times spidey realises something in a fight with his enemies being an overfighter and overthinker he is,
Example," Brocks, webbing is stronger than mine, than me"
this does not mean he was going all out, just that he is surprised at the enemies feats,
with that being said, I'm going to fix my avatar problem, i want a new one but it wont come up on the pics, after i submit modifications.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell"I'm pounding away with everything I've got."
this does not mean he was going all out
As Straw said once, if spiderman acertains that his usual strength isn't enough he'd increase it. And appearently he'd increased it to the point of giving it everything he had.
Originally posted by The MISTERWolverine wasn't trying to kill spidey. Spiderman thought he was going to. But when given the chance. . . no claws. Otherwise spiderman would have been dead.
You'll have to forgive me as I do not know why Wolverine would try to kill Spidey.
Instead Wolverine ends it in a draw, claws ready to kill spiderman, and letting spiderman think that breaking the neck would kill him.
Originally posted by Creshosk
He's hitting hard enough to make human jelly. 🙂Normally what he dealt wolverine would be kill shots.
Human jelly.... 😆 I like it!
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Originally posted by Creshosk
To show that "1+1=2" you need to define what you mean by "1", "+", "=" and "2". In most situations, once you have made these definitions in any way that coincides with our intuitions, then "1+1=2" follows immediately. The notion of 1+1=2 is merely a definition. however, it is odd that this should so far in all known cases apply to the real world. The simple reason why 1 chair + 1 chair = 2 chairs is generally accepted is because it is the only thing that has been observed, and it is likely that a counterexample will not be found. It is actually rather like the notion of gravity in this sense.
Man I missed this great post and saw it when i skimmed back
totally agree with you there in that sense all concepts truth, and fact are what we agree on as a whole, which is why slang exists, and for that matter any concepts
Though we do need a common medium to agree on, I'll just say Intelligence and wisdom. Intelligence gathers how fast you deduce something. like 1 threw a small rock in the stream, and some whater was blocked.
Wisdom tells me, by using what i learned i can implement it well. If I throw a large rock blocking the width of the stream, it will be blocked significantly.
we are not as different as it would seem
Originally posted by The MISTERBut if he was trying to even knock him out, he was failing. Spiderman was scared to death of wolverine at that point, Is it really so hard to beleive that spiderman would try to kill someone who he thought would kill him? I mean he was hitting hard enough to kill regular people, that's a level of not holding back. I mean if wolverine was a normal person spiderman would have killed him with those shots.
Kill shots for humans don't damage some characters at all. If Spider-man wasn't trying to kill wolverine then that's the equivalant of holding back.
Originally posted by The MISTERI wouldn't call those people normal either though. Particularly not Steve Rogers.
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Originally posted by CorderaMitchellNot deep down, no we're not. That's why you haven't been one of the people I just ignore. 😉
Man I missed this great post and saw it when i skimmed backtotally agree with you there in that sense all concepts truth, and fact are what we agree on as a whole, which is why slang exists, and for that matter any concepts
Though we do need a common medium to agree on, I'll just say Intelligence and wisdom. Intelligence gathers how fast you deduce something. like 1 threw a small rock in the stream, and some whater was blocked.
Wisdom tells me, by using what i learned i can implement it well. If I throw a large rock blocking the width of the stream, it will be blocked significantly.
we are not as different as it would seem
Originally posted by Creshosk
"I'm pounding away with everything I've got."As Straw said once, if spiderman acertains that his usual strength isn't enough he'd increase it. And appearently he'd increased it to the point of giving it everything he had.
Wolverine wasn't trying to kill spidey. Spiderman thought he was going to. But when given the chance. . . no claws. Otherwise spiderman would have been dead.
Instead Wolverine ends it in a draw, claws ready to kill spiderman, and letting spiderman think that breaking the neck would kill him.
I guess what this boils down to is this question: Will Spider-man get stabbed or sliced before wolverine gets covered with enough webbing to immobilize his arms and legs.
We may disagree here but I think that when Spidey can catch a missile in his web, then wolverines a larger slower target who will catch a web glob in the face, arm , leg, chest, and back eventually. More often than not Spidey could accomplish this without getting TOO close to wolverine. In fighting games it's known as cheesing and it's hated by everyone. In comics it's no fun either. Here it can hardly be considered an impossible technique but I may be mistaken.