Originally posted by jinzin
well the thing is relatively little is known about spidey new organic webbing....if this was spidey was wolvie with web shooters....he'd face the same problem he does here......he can only immobilized wolverine if he leaves him in an uncomprimising position, but the only way that happens is if wolverine lets it happen....hell even in MTU1 when spiderman did web him up...it couldn't hold him there....wolverine was just trying to wait it out so he didn't have to inflict pain upon himself...when he realized he needed to get moving he freed himself of the webbing easily enough....the only way spiderman might be able to capitalize is if wolverine is bound with his hands to his sides like spidey vs. green gob was....or if he's in crucifix position...which is even debateable now due to marvel knights spidey...
BOTTOM LINE: why can't spidey eventually ENCASE wolverine COMPLETLY with webbing. ( I thought the webbing was organic when I was 5. After more than twenty years later they give him organic webbing)
Just a little LATE! 🤪
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellYou want him to shoot it out of his what now?
yea he should, spiderman doesn't exactly scream spider once you think about it, he only crawled walls into no,if he's half man/spider than he should be like a spider, and webbing is unique only to those cute arachnids.
Wouldn't the tights get in the way?
Nah you're missing my point, he does have the proportional abilites of a spider, but a spider isn't really reveled for its strength like a beetle or an ant. They are known for wall crawling, venom, and webbing, unless spiderman is supposed to be a wolf spider, or one that actively hunts.
But for the sake of decency lets consider those fingertips or wrists, as spinnerets, and not the other option, gross. 😘
Originally posted by Creshosk
And despite knowing that. . . well. . .And it's you that decides when he IS outmatched?
I agree, but can you explain in depth what you mean, its nice to hear it from a new voice, however you will need a strong gall to take what is coming....
I myself said not only the principles of strength, but also velocity, and the fact that the webbing is stonger than spidey himself. Wolverine is not colossus, he is less likely to die, but he does get stunned and knocked down etc. Wolverine taking all that spidey can dish out without even flinching isn't fair, since a character like daredevil would give him a run for his money, just because he is a superhero and they want to make the match look fair, wolverine isn't as unstoppable as he seems.
Regardless spidey could take wolverine's weakness to his advantage, if a large item is pinned on him, it would not only greatly damage him, but he would have no way to use his strength or claws, if he is flat on the ground.
Originally posted by jinzin
the organic webbing's definitely been confirmed he was having trouble using his new "creepy organic webbing" in the newest avengers title....but the stats I speak of are covered in the general comic book discusion forum...just check for the thread that has secret war on it...marvel used a combination of everything each character brings to the battlefield and wolvie came out one tier over the web head.....this is what we've been saying allalong....spiderman is slightly better off in terms of obvious advantages...not the most important ones...
Why would being one tier above Spidey assure him of a victory? How many tiers above batman would the hulk be? Didn't he lose to batman? 😮💨
good post as usual. bra/
I believe there is a loop argument here, if stats don't count neither do tiers. A level of a superhero is not just powers on the outside, but other ones. Batman is often seen as a superior to flash, although he possesses no inside powers, just lots of superpowered gadgets. Spiderman has proven himself many times, and is definitely up there on superhero hierchy.
But seeing as they do count, stats do matter you have to take both, It's not that spiderman has physical advantages over peak humans that are obscene, but that he is a problem solver as well, and uses great gadgetry, well not anymore since his webbing is organic.
Logic does however apply to comics more than most want to admit, although it can cause more problems in a debate sometimes. I write comics,and can tell you it plays a large role, for example a character hit in the head is more likely to fall unconscious than one that hit on the foot. By understanding simple things like this , we can answer some of the big questions.
Though there are powers, comics are really the real world, with powers all over the place,and people who talk too much in a fight. In a match between 2 equal "level" superheroes, their apparent powers don't shine as much as with a normal human villan,similar to when to people duke it out, with no powers per say.
Just showing both sides to logic and stats and tiers from a diffferent perspective.
Originally posted by K3VILActually simply calling it logic doen't make it a valid argument. You'd actually have to use flawed logic to arive at you invalid conclusion. As you'd be ingnoring evidence that goes against your conclusion.
It's the logic and what Logan is that decide it.
Originally posted by K3VILIf he had vampiric powers yes, as he did in at least one other world.
Or are you gonna saying that a well written Logan can kill Galactus[/qtote] Strawman argument.[QUOTE=4074033]Originally posted by K3VIL
or take over the world?
Originally posted by K3VILOh so your logic is
Cause you know that guys under Spidey's league gave Logan problems, Cyber, which strenght was under Class 10, beat Logan, he was scared of him.Spidey is not Cyber, but he can K.O. Logan.
Spidey>Cyber and Cyber>Wolverine therefore Spidey>Wolverine.
That's ad hoc. Since Wolverine has practically beaten Spiderman in each of their encounters where wolverine actually tried and it was one on one.
Or are you going to brush that off with the typical fanboy response of "I didn't like it, therefore it didn't happen"?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I agree, but can you explain in depth what you mean, its nice to hear it from a new voice, however you will need a strong gall to take what is coming....I myself said not only the principles of strength, but also velocity, and the fact that the webbing is stonger than spidey himself. Wolverine is not colossus, he is less likely to die, but he does get stunned and knocked down etc. Wolverine taking all that spidey can dish out without even flinching isn't fair, since a character like daredevil would give him a run for his money, just because he is a superhero and they want to make the match look fair, wolverine isn't as unstoppable as he seems.
Regardless spidey could take wolverine's weakness to his advantage, if a large item is pinned on him, it would not only greatly damage him, but he would have no way to use his strength or claws, if he is flat on the ground.
The tensile strength of most steels is less than Wolverine's strength.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellDo you read any of my past posts?
good post as usual. bra/I believe there is a loop argument here, if stats don't count neither do tiers. A level of a superhero is not just powers on the outside, but other ones. Batman is often seen as a superior to flash, although he possesses no inside powers, just lots of superpowered gadgets. Spiderman has proven himself many times, and is definitely up there on superhero hierchy.
But seeing as they do count, stats do matter you have to take both, It's not that spiderman has physical advantages over peak humans that are obscene, but that he is a problem solver as well, and uses great gadgetry, well not anymore since his webbing is organic.
Logic does however apply to comics more than most want to admit, although it can cause more problems in a debate sometimes. I write comics,and can tell you it plays a large role, for example a character hit in the head is more likely to fall unconscious than one that hit on the foot. By understanding simple things like this , we can answer some of the big questions.
Though there are powers, comics are really the real world, with powers all over the place,and people who talk too much in a fight. In a match between 2 equal "level" superheroes, their apparent powers don't shine as much as with a normal human villan,similar to when to people duke it out, with no powers per say.
Just showing both sides to logic and stats and tiers from a diffferent perspective.
Saying that we say "Stat's don't matter" is a strawman argument.
Saying that we say "Logic doesn't matter" is a strawman argument.
Picking and choosing what parts of real world anatomy you want to listen to is a fallacy of exclusion and by this timew slothful induction.
That's real world logic. You are attempting to use flawed logic in your arguments. Therefore your arguments are not logical.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Do you read any of my past posts?Saying that we say "Stat's don't matter" is a strawman argument.
Saying that we say "Logic doesn't matter" is a strawman argument.
Picking and choosing what parts of real world anatomy you want to listen to is a fallacy of exclusion and by this timew slothful induction.That's real world logic. You are attempting to use flawed logic in your arguments. Therefore your arguments are not logical.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's ad hoc. Since Wolverine has practically beaten Spiderman in each of their encounters where wolverine actually tried and it was one on one.
The arrogance !! Wolverine has triumphed in all their confrontations, Spider-Man was laying dead on the ground while Wolverine was searching for a more dangerous enemy !!
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Originally posted by who?-kidThose people obviously are in denial over what happened, and have a skewed vision of their idol that they worship. There was that one time wolverine beat spiderman on accident, that points at an indication that if in their previous encounters had wolverine not respected spidermanb and wanted him dead, he would have been from their first fight.
You know, there are actually some people who claim Wolverine actually has beaten Spider-Man zero times...
Originally posted by who?-kidIn the ones where wolverine was agressively attacking spiderman, practically.
The arrogance !! Wolverine has triumphed in all their confrontations,
Originally posted by who?-kidStrawman argument. Wolverine never tried to outright kill spiderman.
Spider-Man was laying dead on the ground while Wolverine was searching for a more dangerous enemy !!😉
Creshok, word to the wise, stop using all the fallacy and logic crap.
A large part of debating is knowing your audience. We're just comic book fans. Any attempt you make at sounding superior by using the same fallacy terms over and over again is just making you come off like an elitist and arrogant prick. Nobody on this board actually gives a, you know what, about them.
The fact that you are guilty of most of the fallacy terms you use doesn't help either.
Anyone want to call him on it?
here
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Creshok, word to the wise, stop using all the fallacy and logic crap.A large part of debating is knowing your audience. We're just comic book fans. Any attempt you make at sounding superior by using the same fallacy terms over and over again is just making you come off like an elitist and arrogant prick. Nobody on this board actually gives a, you know what, about them.