Originally posted by Battlehammeri think it makes it harder to web wolverine in a city because he has a lot of cover to duck behind
in such an enviorment it makes it harder for wolverine to hit him and it makes it easier for spiderman to webb him.
if you had a gun, wouldnt it be easier for you to hit someone in an open space rather than in a crowded area with lots of objects
Originally posted by Starscream M
i think it makes it harder to web wolverine in a city because he has a lot of cover to duck behind
Originally posted by Starscream M
if you had a gun, wouldnt it be easier for you to hit someone in an open space rather than in a crowded area with lots of objects
Originally posted by Battlehammeri think you should learn to argue without being so coarse toward other posters......it tends to deter others from the subject and make it seem that you feel as if anyone who disagrees with you deserves to be degraded.
still it just a dumb statement on namor behaft.anyways 6/10 depending on the scnerio.
i'll do my best to do the same....at least from now on.
Originally posted by namorsubby
i think you should learn to argue without being so coarse toward other posters......it tends to deter others from the subject and make it seem that you feel as if anyone who disagrees with you deserves to be degraded.i'll do my best to do the same....at least from now on.
and should actaully present evidence in this debate rather then simply disreguard evidences presented against you.
Originally posted by batdude123
Exactly.I wouldn't call Wolverine being KO'd by something < Colossus level strength PIS.
And neither would we... the issue? that Spiderman is a far cry from being just <Collosus in strength.
The reason for why it WOULD BE PIS is quite simple. Spiderman's already tried.... MANY TIMES to beat Logan to a pulp. In every fight they've had canon or non-canon Spiderman's never been able to make much use of his strength by just pounding on Logan. He's tried, he's failed. Tried, failed. Tried with everything he had.... FAILED. So if he was suddenly able to KO Logan for no apparent reason out from left field in spite of Logan's history and majority showings, in spite of their previous fight showings, and in spite of Spiderman's New Day downgrade, then it would very much fall into the lines of P.....I....S..... 😐
P.S. Collusus is a horrible outliner to use too... He's had numerous confrontations where he's failed to render Logan unconcious with multiple blows. 😬
Originally posted by namorsubby
i can post worsewolvie vs spider-woman? marrow?
And this would be worse in what way? Wolverine's made Spider Woman look like an ass hat in 3 seperate encounters and the only times she's been able to mess him up is when he got out of a plane crash and was taken by surprise..... 😐
And she was a skrull queen....
Marrow? Oh you mean when Wolverine was kicking the crap out of her like a child and argueably let his guard down to teach her a lesson? 🙄
Originally posted by namorsubby
some people seem to think that if it's shown a couple of times it doesn't matter whether or not it contradicts the [b]vast maority of showings.example: namor vs wolverine [/B]
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They've had a multitude of fights... the "majority" of which you ignore to suite your argument...
Originally posted by Silent Guardian
touchie. But honestly this is a hard one to argue. There are examples that I think would have proved Spidey could stomp old wolverine. But there are def. examples of Spidey owning almost everyone, and him getting beat or having trouble with a few guys you think he should take. But honestly I think these are continuity issues. Do you remember the issue where spidey's roommate steals his costume, is captured by Kraven the Hunters daughter and then Spidey goes to Save him and has trouble with that rat creature. That was so weak. Still you have to realized that Marvel has revamped Hammerhead, read some articles about that arc from the author, he has basically trying to make hammerhead totally bad@$$ and scary. Therefore, this is not the hammerhead of old he has been augmented to be much stronger. So until Wolvie fights the new hammerhead jury is still out. I bet he would give wolverine a run for his money. Also that being said writers are getting lazy so they are dragging all of Spidey's old enemies back, thanks to one more day(such bs!!!!).
No it's not a hard one to argue.. Spiderman has a hard time dealing with gifted street level fighters.... it's as simple as that. He has since his conception and he does still. Yeah he's kicked the ass of half the Marvel universe.. So has Wolverine so has Cap... So have a number of other commendable streets they're all within the same general tier.
Originally posted by namorsubby
yeeeeaaaahhh.......nice thread BTW🙂
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btw, they have 4 fights. most didn't exactly show namor doing poorly, but they were gross contradictions to his rick track record.carry on.
And they've had more than 4 fights... Nice counting abilities.
Ummm I'd call: Needing Wolverine to hold back (stated).
Admitted defeat to a non mind controlled Wolverine.
Getting KOed by a mind controlled Wolverine.
Getting TKOed by an exhausted Wolverine.
Getting socked hard enough to roll the eyes into the back of his head by Wolverine.
And getting forced into retreating to a pool....... Well...... they're not good showings.... You don't think they were poor to any degree? And I suppose Couture was about to have a comeback before his fight ended too right?
Contradictions to what exactly? Namor has a track record of doing well against other bricks... He also has a history of being put on the defensive by Spiderman and having issues with street levels from DD to Plack Panther.... Wolverine able to take a fight to him is hardly a miracle.
Originally posted by namorsubbyCaptain America gave him massive amounts of trouble when he was a Rookie before the Avengers/Korvac saga/ and without a shield. 😐
it's not an opinion. it's a fact.name a showing worse for namor. you simply can't. his other are just too high for anyone who knows the first thing about him to believe such crap.
you've just quoted his absolute lowest showings.
oh, and name more than four if there are.
thor,silver surfer, beta ray, captain marvel, hulk, herc, abomination, nova, the fantastic four, etc etc.
namor is a class A top tier held back by the constant bringing up of his lowest possible showings as a measure of his formmidabliity/power.
no doubt those fights vs wolverine are his most popular and well known fights.
its actually belieable that wolverine can beat namor. Hell wolverine can beat plenty of people that are way abov ehim him. He does extremly well against hulk, beats hercules, beat abomination. His durabilty healing factor and claws make him an extremly dangerous oppenet against people without healing factors.
and did u just mention namor doing well against surfer, now that just sounds like PIS
Originally posted by jinzinscans?
Captain America gave him massive amounts of trouble when he was a Rookie before the Avengers/Korvac saga/ and without a shield. 😐
was it the one where namor was under mind control and he beat him by smashing that thing on the back of his neck? because that's not even close to worse.
Originally posted by jalek moyehe's fought him 3 times.
its actually belieable that wolverine can beat namor. Hell wolverine can beat plenty of people that are way abov ehim him. He does extremly well against hulk, beats hercules, beat abomination. His durabilty healing factor and claws make him an extremly dangerous oppenet against people without healing factors.and did u just mention namor doing well against surfer, now that just sounds like PIS
wolvie is only somewhat equipped to deal with slow-moving, flightless, less versatile bricks than namor. the simple fact is that wolvie fans wouldn't use that "his style is suited for namor" rationalization if those fights had not occured.