Who Is Faster, Superman or the Flash?

Started by SMIFF-N-WESSON18 pages

(your questions)
Then why mentioning A to B in blink?
Who wanted to measure fighting abilities in here?, I'm sure you are familiar with the idea of "expanding on someone's opinion" which I'm sure that is why you mentioned the wormhole or the able to shift planes better?

You Sir have mentioned the first question beforehand.
(your quote)
"Superman has performed dimensional hopping (Supeman V2 #14) though he did this while a much weaker Byrne version with extra life force from others."

The second question was about fighting.
That was brought uip by (Cosmic Comic)
"Superman has blatantly stated before that "Wally is fast enough to see it coming, but not fast enough to do anything about it." When he was fighting the rest of the leaguers."

(your quote)
"Plus you made that clear in the same post, why trying to mention wormholes to get my attention on a topic that you already stated we are not arguing?"

Pure sport of baiting and it worked.

(your quote)
"Maybe I'm getting all this wrong, but We both share the same opinion that Flash should be faster running, So I don't really see a point on all this shifting and wormholes thing unless you, like me, were only expanding on your point of view."
Let me exlain that one... when people compare powers, some cant simply compare. they in turn match abiliteis in combat instead of straight up comparison.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
(your questions)
Then why mentioning A to B in blink?
Who wanted to measure fighting abilities in here?, I'm sure you are familiar with the idea of "expanding on someone's opinion" which I'm sure that is why you mentioned the wormhole or the able to shift planes better?

You Sir have mentioned the first question beforehand.
(your quote)
"Superman has performed dimensional hopping (Supeman V2 #14) though he did this while a much weaker Byrne version with extra life force from others."

The second question was about fighting.
That was brought uip by (Cosmic Comic)
"Superman has blatantly stated before that "Wally is fast enough to see it coming, but not fast enough to do anything about it." When he was fighting the rest of the leaguers."

(your quote)
"Plus you made that clear in the same post, why trying to mention wormholes to get my attention on a topic that you already stated we are not arguing?"

Pure sport of baiting and it worked.

(your quote)
"Maybe I'm getting all this wrong, but We both share the same opinion that Flash should be faster running, So I don't really see a point on all this shifting and wormholes thing unless you, like me, were only expanding on your point of view."
Let me exlain that one... when people compare powers, some cant simply compare. they in turn match abiliteis in combat instead of straight up comparison.

heres another one who mentions fighting in a simple comparison of abilities

(quote from John Deer)
"i think superman is probly not faster but he could kick flashs a**"

Aside from his name being a copyright violation....

it doesn't matter if supes is running or flying, flash can run faster than light. Flash is faster regardless of how supes is moving. why is this so hard to understand?

Originally posted by jedi90
it doesn't matter if supes is running or flying, flash can run faster than light. Flash is faster regardless of how supes is moving. why is this so hard to understand?

It isnt hard to understand, it's hard to accept for some people (fanboys).

Its like watching your favorite fighter lose to a guy you dont like and congratulate him.
Thats why theres fans of the comics and fans of characters.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
With out trying to get into a debate.

Then you should check where Superman exorcised a ghost planet with superspeed, that counts as dimensional travel.

Also he has a great deal of manoeuvrability while flying as he can turn in 90 degree angles while racing light.

And he has catch to the flash in at least 2 times and matched flash frequency on 1 time.

I will agree that Flash is faster running vs Superman running but flying is another story.

Also that thing about atmosphere and Superman is only a myth, as he has ftl on atmosphere and from the get go.

The speed force has been reached by Diana, so entering the speed force if achieved by certain speed then that means Diana is also faster than Superman, which she is not.

There is also a scan of Superman almost matching teleportation speeds from the ionosphere to two miles under ground, meaning that Superman had to dig two miles of rock in order for him to match the teleporters.

Flash has defeated teleportation, but he did this while amped
Superman did not.

All and all and since comics are always like this, I stick with my claim of Flash being faster on a foot race, Superman flying vs Flash running is another story.

how so? flash can move faster than light, a flying superman won't make a difference. superman does not fly or run faster than light so that point is invalid.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
For what I have read. Flash is faster RUNNING, Superman is faster flying.
Superman almost matched teleportation speeds in jla, and has catched the flash at least twice off panel.

Which reminds me i should post those retcon fests.

please post them and try to stay away from pre-crisis supes.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
(your questions)
Then why mentioning A to B in blink?
Who wanted to measure fighting abilities in here?, I'm sure you are familiar with the idea of "expanding on someone's opinion" which I'm sure that is why you mentioned the wormhole or the able to shift planes better?

You Sir have mentioned the first question beforehand.
(your quote)
"Superman has performed dimensional hopping (Supeman V2 #14) though he did this while a much weaker Byrne version with extra life force from others."

This: "Superman has performed dimensional hopping (Supeman V2 #14) though he did this while a much weaker Byrne version with extra life force from others", is not a question, is a statement.

Dolos mentioned something along the lines of "accelerated beyond the speed of light and has entered the speed force and gone into alternate dimensions, Superman has not." my statement was in place

Mentioning that Flash has more control over his powers than Superman and can create wormholes to gauge who is faster, not so much in place.

Mentioning that Superman can also travel between dimensions after someone said Flash is faster because Superman can't travel between dimensions, very much in place.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
The second question was about fighting.
That was brought uip by (Cosmic Comic)
"Superman has blatantly stated before that "Wally is fast enough to see it coming, but not fast enough to do anything about it." When he was fighting the rest of the leaguers."

(your quote)
"Plus you made that clear in the same post, why trying to mention wormholes to get my attention on a topic that you already stated we are not arguing?"

Pure sport of baiting and it worked.

I like that, an online sportsman's athelete. fish

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
(your quote)
Let me exlain that one... when people compare powers, some cant simply compare. they in turn match abiliteis in combat instead of straight up comparison.

Got it. like mentioning that Flash has more control over his speed powers, and quote:

"But I question between the two who could have controll over themselves while shifting planes and traveling that fast. Supes was not made for that...Flash was."

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
heres another one who mentions fighting in a simple comparison of abilities

(quote from John Deer)
"i think superman is probly not faster but he could kick flashs a**"

Aside from his name being a copyright violation....

Just let me point this out... fighting is an ability too and

It will be like saying, "I won't question that Superman can kick Flashe's ass, But I question between the two who could have controll over themselves while shifting planes and traveling that fast."

Saying something along the lines of Flash has more control over his dimensional shifting powers and his wormhole capabilities, that, my friend, is you mentioning dimensional shifting control and wormhole creation on a simple comparasion of speed. So you did it too

John Deer saying "Superman is probably not faster but he could kick flashs a$$" answers the question "WHO IS FASTER?" Saying that Flash can create wormholes.... not so much. nono

Originally posted by jedi90
how so? flash can move faster than light, a flying superman won't make a difference. superman does not fly or run faster than light so that point is invalid.

I tell you what.

Check this feat out

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/evucity.jpg

Get the numbers on it

Traveling 70 miles, 500,000 times (so we maximise the feat, because sometimes he carried 2 at a time) in .00001 MICROseconds

After you do that, then get the numbers on this one.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0711.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0712.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0714.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0715-16.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0717.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0718.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0721.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0722.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0723.jpg

Going from the milky way to OA to the Andromeda Galaxy in what it seems 10 minutes on panel time, but since I want this to be lowballed, lets do this instead.

Instead of going from the Milky Way to OA (since We don't know where OA is) just use From the Milky Way to the Andromeda Galaxy (Where RAO is located) in a direct line instead of taking the detour to OA, just go in a direct line.

Remember this is from the Milky Way to the Andromeda Galaxy on what it seems 10 minutes, but lets even lowball this even more and make that 1 HR.

2.5 million light-years in 1HR

Get the number on BOTH and tell me who moved faster? Superman flying or Flash running?

Like this there is another one of Superman flying form Vega to earth

Even with this evidence, I think Flash is faster running , Flying Superman SEEMS faster, but I can see them BOTH at comparable speeds if Superman is flying and Flash is running. And I very much agree with Philos take on their comparable speeds.

Which makes me think, You know that EVEN THOUGH Superman struggles to CATCH UP to the Flash sometimes, you should consider that Superman is the one CATCHING UP, which logically implies what? 😉

But like everything in comics is contradictory, but for some to say that Superman does not stand a chance, is just plain ignorance, specially since they have not read the comics in which BOTH compete.

Originally posted by jedi90
please post them and try to stay away from pre-crisis supes.

Done and Done, but you DO know that his PC races were retconed into post crisis right???

Oa is the center of the universe, it is Sector 0 of the 3600 sectors of the universe. Earth is in sector 2814, krypton is in the same space sector. Suffice to say superman crossed more than 3/4 of the universe when he brought prime to Rao from Oa.

Just let me point this out... fighting is an ability too and

It will be like saying, "I won't question that Superman can kick Flashe's ass, But I question between the two who could have controll over themselves while shifting planes and traveling that fast."

Saying something along the lines of Flash has more control over his dimensional shifting powers and his wormhole capabilities, that, my friend, is you mentioning dimensional shifting control and wormhole creation on a simple comparasion of speed. So you did it too

John Deer saying "Superman is probably not faster but he could kick flashs a$$" answers the question "WHO IS FASTER?" Saying that Flash can create wormholes.... not so much. nono [/B][/QUOTE]

Allow me...

Fighting is an ability, be we are discussing speed.
the point of "who can control themselves" while moving at speeds faster than light is exactly that.
That was said by me to help Superman fanboy's understand that if Sups were to attain that level of speed he wouldn't be able to control himself because thats not what he's designed for.
Oh I know what John deer said, thats why I quoted him.
Keep in mind that when Wally travels at those speeds, he is protected in a shield that takes away the effects of inertia/air/ect.
The wormhole comment..well Yes i'll stand by it. If I had to race you to the other end of the Galaxy, I'd simply port, laugh, collect my winnings and drink a glass of ale awaiting your arrival.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oa is the center of the universe, it is Sector 0 of the 3600 sectors of the universe. Earth is in sector 2814, krypton is in the same space sector. Suffice to say superman crossed more than 3/4 of the universe when he brought prime to Rao from Oa.

Were not saying that Supes can't travel the distance or cover incredible lengths of space, were talkin speed.

If yall want to be technical, Ole Supes could'nt fly in the beginning.
"ABLE TO LEAP A TALL BUILDING IN A SINGLE BOUND" remember that ?

Even with this evidence, I think Flash is faster running , Flying Superman SEEMS faster, but I can see them BOTH at comparable speeds if Superman is flying and Flash is running. And I very much agree with Philos take on their comparable speeds.

Which makes me think, You know that EVEN THOUGH Superman struggles to CATCH UP to the Flash sometimes, you should consider that Superman is the one CATCHING UP, which logically implies what? 😉

But like everything in comics is contradictory, but for some to say that Superman does not stand a chance, is just plain ignorance, specially since they have not read the comics in which BOTH compete.
[/B][/QUOTE]

My friend,
You have a good point but the problem is Flash's shield or
invisible aurora:
While Quantum Tunneling (moving fast as hell) He has an invisible aura around his body that prevents him and his clothes from being affected by air friction as the moves at high speed.
Now as inpressive as Superman is...he simply can't outfly or run that.
This is not a biased opinion, its by the law of how they were written.

[QUOTE=14200433]Originally posted by Rao Kal El
[B]I tell you what.

Check this feat out

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/evucity.jpg

Get the numbers on it

Traveling 70 miles, 500,000 times (so we maximise the feat, because sometimes he carried 2 at a time) in .00001 MICROseconds

After you do that, then get the numbers on this one.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0711.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0712.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0714.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0715-16.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0717.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0718.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0721.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0722.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0723.jpg

(end your quote)
For the record, your comic strips didn't help your statement. they are irrelevant to his speed vs the Flash.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I tell you what.

Check this feat out

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/evucity.jpg

Get the numbers on it

Traveling 70 miles, 500,000 times (so we maximise the feat, because sometimes he carried 2 at a time) in .00001 MICROseconds

After you do that, then get the numbers on this one.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0711.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0712.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0714.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0715-16.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0717.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0718.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0721.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0722.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0723.jpg

Going from the milky way to OA to the Andromeda Galaxy in what it seems 10 minutes on panel time, but since I want this to be lowballed, lets do this instead.

Instead of going from the Milky Way to OA (since We don't know where OA is) just use From the Milky Way to the Andromeda Galaxy (Where RAO is located) in a direct line instead of taking the detour to OA, just go in a direct line.

Remember this is from the Milky Way to the Andromeda Galaxy on what it seems 10 minutes, but lets even lowball this even more and make that 1 HR.

2.5 million light-years in 1HR

Get the number on BOTH and tell me who moved faster? Superman flying or Flash running?

Like this there is another one of Superman flying form Vega to earth

Even with this evidence, I think Flash is faster running , Flying Superman SEEMS faster, but I can see them BOTH at comparable speeds if Superman is flying and Flash is running. And I very much agree with Philos take on their comparable speeds.

Which makes me think, You know that EVEN THOUGH Superman struggles to CATCH UP to the Flash sometimes, you should consider that Superman is the one CATCHING UP, which logically implies what? 😉

But like everything in comics is contradictory, but for some to say that Superman does not stand a chance, is just plain ignorance, specially since they have not read the comics in which BOTH compete.

Done and Done, but you DO know that his PC races were retconed into post crisis right???

That was a pretty neat feat, i guess you missed the caption at the bottom that said "at a hairs breadth short of the speed of light" . Translation= slower than the Flash.

There's a few issues with your quasi math:

1. The location of OA is unknown, but rumored to be at the center of the universe. Andromeda is the next galaxy over from us. 😮

2. everyone's start location is unknown in the panel, no distance is actually given.

3. This is mostly a superboy prime feat. superboy even tells the supermen they are not fast enough for the speed force.

in regards to the supes being able to catch up so he must be faster hypothesis, how you ever stopped to think that maybe the flash had slowed down.......
works both ways.

speed of light is speed of light regardless of travel mode. it's a calculation of movement speed, that's why it doesn't matter if supes is flying or not. it's already been established that superman does not run or fly at light speed.

it doesn't matter if it was by an inch or by a mile, winning is winning....
Vin Disel

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
[QUOTE=14200433]Originally posted by Rao Kal El
[B]I tell you what.

Check this feat out

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/evucity.jpg

Get the numbers on it

Traveling 70 miles, 500,000 times (so we maximise the feat, because sometimes he carried 2 at a time) in .00001 MICROseconds

After you do that, then get the numbers on this one.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0711.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0712.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0714.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0715-16.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0717.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0718.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0721.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0722.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/SUPER%20SPEED/InfiniteCrisis0723.jpg

(end your quote)
For the record, your comic strips didn't help your statement. they are irrelevant to his speed vs the Flash.

maybe this helps.....

pay close attention to the part where wally talks about the speed force and taking supes own speed.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I tell you what.

Check this feat out

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/evucity.jpg

my confusion on the first link, it's the flash.

The rest still stands and the flash can run faster than light.

The flash running faster than a picosecond.

http://imageshack.us/f/308/flash1hu5.jpg/

In a straight line, Barry and Wally will always be faster than Superman, especially when pushing themselves imo.

Reflexes is generally something else. At average levels, Superman can (and has) shown enough speed to tag the Flash, but that is no insult as Superman is considered by plenty of people to be one of the fastest (if not THE fastest) non-Flash or Flash-related herald.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON

Allow me...

Fighting is an ability, be we are discussing speed.
the point of "who can control themselves" while moving at speeds faster than light is exactly that.

Not really, it only implies that Flash has more control or mastery over his power. Allow me to illustrate this for you.

You have an F1 car that is designed for speed and handling, but you cannot say that an F1 is faster than bloodhound SSC1050.

Yes the F1 has a better mastery over it's speed and you will probably beat the SSC in the Indianapolis circuit or in a nascar circuit, after all the F1 is MADE for that.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
That was said by me to help Superman fanboy's understand that if Sups were to attain that level of speed he wouldn't be able to control himself because thats not what he's designed for.

See above ^

Who are this "Superman fanboys" btw? on a side note, what are YOU doing in a Superman forum? Just kicking it around to put on their place those "fanboys"? Or just enjoying a good read?🙂

Not to mention that to say that "Flash was designed for that" is basically a fallacy appealing to tradition

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
Oh I know what John deer said, thats why I quoted him.
Keep in mind that when Wally travels at those speeds, he is protected in a shield that takes away the effects of inertia/air/ect.

Aaaaaaand? that proves what? that he is faster ? or that he has certain power that allows him to reach Superman speeds without the need of being Superman?

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON
The wormhole comment..well Yes i'll stand by it. If I had to race you to the other end of the Galaxy, I'd simply port, laugh, collect my winnings and drink a glass of ale awaiting your arrival.

I won't get into this, because this is basically irrelevant to the topic , Superman has feats where he has countered dimensional portals by super speed (see post crisis V4 Supergirl comics) , what is the point to show this? if creating portals does not gives you raw speed. By the use of this logic Nightcrawler is faster than Piero in a race.

Originally posted by SMIFF-N-WESSON

My friend,
You have a good point but the problem is Flash's shield or
invisible aurora:
While Quantum Tunneling (moving fast as hell) He has an invisible aura around his body that prevents him and his clothes from being affected by air friction as the moves at high speed.
Now as inpressive as Superman is...he simply can't outfly or run that.
This is not a biased opinion, its by the law of how they were written.

Again you are appealing to authority and adding a Non – Sequiter

His aura allows him to deny friction and not being burned, let me apply the same Non – Sequiter here.

Superman has muscles so powerful that allows him to move and break the LAWS of physics to a level that no one can. It is how he was written.

Oh wait there is another one

When Superman flies he bends space time, so he is being pulled instead of actually flying, it is how it was theorized by Dessad in Superman/Batman #39, SINCE he bends space time, he is faster.

See how that Non – Sequiter works both ways?