The Official Shipping Debate Thread [merged]

Here are two words that describe Harry and Hermione's relationship. They're friends. and that pretty much describes why Hermione cares for Harry. and I don't know why you guys were talking about Harry and Draco. Plus, if you didn't notice that was all the way back in the first Harry Potter book, when Ron and Hermione started out being friends. It was before they started having a relationship growing. so, naturally, Hermione turned to Harry for the fact that he didn't tease. It only shows that they are good friends. Plus, now that they're older, Hermione seems to be developing a closeness towards Ron, and a good friendship towards Harry. After all, don't any of you get excited over a friend of yours winning a game? I know I do.

Two words to describe Ron and Hermione's friendship: They're friends. Although Ron has most likely developed feelings for Hermione, Hermione's heart is clearly devoted to Harry.

So what you're saying that all Hermione went through these years to try and keep him alive was that she was a "friend"? Why, then, did Ron not put as much effort to keep Harry safe? Surely, as Harry's considered "best friend", maybe even more so than Hermione, he would've done a couple things that Hermione didn't. But no, Hermione was the one who tried to keep Harry safe, more than Ron.

Hermione got excited, yes. We all get excited when our friends win sports competitions, but not so much as Hermione did; Dumbledore was there, so Harry was reasonably safe. Hermione did not need to worry about Harry as much as she did that match. But then Ron, her other best friend, picks a fight with their worst enemy under her nose, and she doesn't even care or notice. Why then, didn't she intrude or at least say something to even acknowledge the fact that they were trying to beat each other up?

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Originally posted by dark1365
Two words to describe Ron and Hermione's friendship: They're friends. Although Ron has most likely developed feelings for Hermione, Hermione's heart is clearly devoted to Harry.

So what you're saying that all Hermione went through these years to try and keep him alive was that she was a "friend"? Why, then, did Ron not put as much effort to keep Harry safe? Surely, as Harry's considered "best friend", maybe even more so than Hermione, he would've done a couple things that Hermione didn't. But no, Hermione was the one who tried to keep Harry safe, more than Ron.

Hermione got excited, yes. We all get excited when our friends win sports competitions, but not so much as Hermione did; Dumbledore was there, so Harry was reasonably safe. Hermione did not need to worry about Harry as much as she did that match. But then Ron, her other best friend, picks a fight with their worst enemy under her nose, and she doesn't even care or notice. Why then, didn't she intrude or at least say something to even acknowledge the fact that they were trying to beat each other up?

First off, both Ron and Hermione put off as much effort to keep Harry alive. The only reason ron sometimes isn't there to help is because he ends up getting injured and has no way of helping anyone because of his injury. and again, the whole thing about her getting excited, Hermione had gotten excited the way anyone else would about their friends; not more excited. and again that was during the sorceror's stone, her thoughts could have changed since then. and if you didn't notice, Hermione worries about Ron a lot, too; especially in the fourth and fifth books. plus, she always seems to mention one thing about Ron when he's not with her and Harry. And she was all worried when Ron didn't come back to the common room after Ron's first quidditch match, and the first thing she asked Harry was, "Where's Ron." so really, she worries about both of them. As for the whole Ron fighting Malfoy thing, nobody seemed to care at the time. I know I wouldn't care. Malfoy's an annoying git. he deserves to get attacked by Ron.

Ron hasn't, admit it. Remember, when Harry got the Firebolt? Hermione immediately was suspicious about it, when she heard that it carried no note, no name. And Ron said: "Who cares? Can I have a go on it? Can I?" if I am not mistaken. Now, as you implied that Hermione cares about Harry as much as Ron does, Ron should have, according to you, went suspicious just as Hermione had.

[quote]Originally posted by #1Rupert Lover
[b]and if you didn't notice, Hermione worries about Ron a lot, too; especially in the fourth and fifth books. plus, she always seems to mention one thing about Ron when he's not with her and Harry. And she was all worried when Ron didn't come back to the common room after Ron's first quidditch match, and the first thing she asked Harry was, "Where's Ron." [/i]

Now, if Hermione had been developing feelings toward Ron, she wouldn't have told him brusquely, "And Ron, that purfume is really weird." at Christmas in OoTP, remember? I don't really think that she would've said something like that if she had started liking him.

And Ron and Hermione continue to snipe at each other in book five.
Constantly. Harry got tired of it and walked out on them at supper.

You said that this was "romantic" behaviour...what's so romantic about bickering over homework issues? You also said that they behave like a married couple than brother/sister.

What? eer Since when?

Married couples don't aggravate each other every few months, otherwise they wouldn't be married! hysterical

Originally posted by dark1365
Ron hasn't, admit it. Remember, when Harry got the Firebolt? Hermione immediately was suspicious about it, when she heard that it carried no note, no name. And Ron said: "Who cares? Can I have a go on it? Can I?" if I am not mistaken. Now, as you implied that Hermione cares about Harry as much as Ron does, Ron should have, according to you, went suspicious just as Hermione had.

[quote]Originally posted by #1Rupert Lover
[b]and if you didn't notice, Hermione worries about Ron a lot, too; especially in the fourth and fifth books. plus, she always seems to mention one thing about Ron when he's not with her and Harry. And she was all worried when Ron didn't come back to the common room after Ron's first quidditch match, and the first thing she asked Harry was, "Where's Ron."

Now, if Hermione had been developing feelings toward Ron, she wouldn't have told him brusquely, "And Ron, that purfume is really weird." at Christmas in OoTP, remember? I don't really think that she would've said something like that if she had started liking him.

And Ron and Hermione continue to snipe at each other in book five.
Constantly. Harry got tired of it and walked out on them at supper.

You said that this was "romantic" behaviour...what's so romantic about bickering over homework issues? You also said that they behave like a married couple than brother/sister.

What? eer Since when?

Married couples don't aggravate each other every few months, otherwise they wouldn't be married! hysterical [/B]

Excellent post! You brought up some really good points. There bickering with each other is what gets me about them. I really don't see much romance in that. Brother and sister to that, get on each other's nerves like that, arguing all the time. There isn't any romance in that.

Maybe Ron has feelings for Hermione, but it really does seem like Hermione is leading towards Harry. Just the way she's always really concerened about him. I don't see all of that with Ron.

First off, Hermione was suspicious about it because she's smart enough to know that getting a present with no name of the giver is a little weird. Both Harry and Ron were too excited about it to care about that fact. They don't usually get suspicious with stuff like that. And if it were Ron who got the gift, she would still feel the same way. and seriously, don't you know anyone whoever bickers about anything to their boyfriends or girlfriends? I see that all the time. And didn't you ever stop to think that Ron and Hermione bicker to hide their feelings for each other? people tend to have strange ways of showing that they love someone, and bickering's on of them!

I'm not convinced that Hermione likes ron at all, I think she feels a lot stronger for Harry. I dont think Hermione is a character that would be in a relationship with someone who she thinks to be her inferior, which ron clearly is (always getting help from her, and just not up to her and harrys speed). She respects harry as a wizard, I dont think she shares that respect for ron. If she went out with ron it would be more like babysitting for her then romance.

Are you insane!? Harry asks for as much help from her as Ron does! And she does seem to respect Ron as a PERSON. True, they do argue a lot, which makes it not seem that way, but that doesn't mean Hermione doesn't respect Ron. The only reason Harry seems more superior, for one thing, is because he's the main character. main characters are supposed to have some bit of greatness to them. and there's the fact that he's being attacked by Voldemort all the time and that gives him the need to protect himself. but really he's pretty much as inferior as Ron! I mean, He got a T in one of his exams! And that isn't quite superior, is it?

Some couples do argue like you said, but notice how Hermione and Ron bicker constantly. Not just once in a while. According to one passage in OotP, Harry was sick of their constant sniping. And they have shown no romantic behaviour toward each other. If they WERE trying to disguise their feelings, it would've made more sense to just keep the other feeling that their friendship is neutral. But no, they argue a lot, more than what is necessary for a normal relationship.

And if they "liked each other so much", why don't they stop, put aside their differences, and start going out? According to you, you said that "couples have weird ways of showing affection". If this was indeed true this would have most likely happened in book five.

What kind of "affection" is that? You think that grudging friendship is affection? There are more times that they have shown each other genuine bitterness than true genuine affection. How could that make sense, I cannot possibly see.

Originally posted by dark1365
Some couples do argue like you said, but notice how Hermione and Ron bicker constantly. Not just once in a while. According to one passage in OotP, Harry was sick of their constant sniping. And they have shown no romantic behaviour toward each other. If they WERE trying to disguise their feelings, it would've made more sense to just keep the other feeling that their friendship is neutral. But no, they argue a lot, more than what is necessary for a normal relationship.

And if they "liked each other so much", why don't they stop, put aside their differences, and start going out? According to you, you said that "couples have weird ways of showing affection". If this was indeed true this would have most likely happened in book five.

What kind of "affection" is that? You think that grudging friendship is affection? There are more times that they have shown each other genuine bitterness than true genuine affection. How could that make sense, I cannot possibly see.

Dude, Ron doesn't know he has feelings for hermione yet. He doesn't know he bickers with Hermione to hide his feelings. And they don't always bicker. Harry was already angry and frustrated as it was during that time period. of course he'd get angry about it. And ron and Hermione, as the books progress, start to more often bicker in a not-so-serious way, as in really just joking around. so really, the bitterness is lessening between them. the only major bitterness right now is Ron's jealousy.

Weren't Harry's parents almost exactly the same as Ron and Hermoine? They bickered alot too.

Not every 24/7 like Ron and Hermoine do because both Lily and James know that too much bickering would severly damage their relationship. Plus, since they are starting a family when they had Harry, they were willing to put aside their differences so they can raise their son.

Ron and Hermoine have yet to put aside their differences and if it keeps up, they'll wind up not wanting to be near each other.

I meant in school. They damn near hated each other in school.

Originally posted by #1Rupert Lover
Dude, Ron doesn't know he has feelings for hermione yet. He doesn't know he bickers with Hermione to hide his feelings.

Originally posted by #1Rupert Lover
And ron and Hermione, as the books progress, start to more often bicker in a not-so-serious way, as in really just joking around.

Originally posted by #1Rupert Lover
so really, the bitterness is lessening between them. the only major bitterness right now is Ron's jealousy.

Originally posted by #1Rupert_Lover
And she does seem to respect Ron as a PERSON.

Originally posted by #1Rupert Lover
He got a T in one of his exams! And that isn't quite superior, is it?

I don't understand how this is an issue. Everything obviously points in the direction of Ron and Hermoine being together. I personally don't care. If they're smart, Ron and Harry will realize what a narcisstic biatch Hermoine is and go find other fish in the sea. I think the Harry and Hermoine shippers are reading WAY too much into the novels. J.K. is obviously going for the "smart geeky girl marries the dumb oblivious jock" cliche.

harry isn't dumb. I actually think Ron is dumber (i love ron, but hes not that bright) then harry. There are things that ron just doesnt get, that both harry and hermione do. And sure, maybe they both get help from hermione, but it's obvious that harry has much more talent in the magical sense. He's much better at doing actual magic then ron is, and a lot more emotionally matrue. Thats why I dont think hermione could handle being with ron, he's below her.