Originally posted by dark1365
Lily and James didn't know each other when they were yelling at each other. Ron and Hermione did, quite well. Lily and James got to know each other and then liked each other. Ron and Hermione have known each other five years and don't like each other in a romantic way. So Lily and James are NOT like Ron and Hermione from the past
Well, they're a lot closer to a Ron and Hermione of the past than a Harry and Hermione of the past.
Originally posted by dark1365
Lily and James didn't know each other when they were yelling at each other. Ron and Hermione did, quite well. Lily and James got to know each other and then liked each other. Ron and Hermione have known each other five years and don't like each other in a romantic way. So Lily and James are NOT like Ron and Hermione from the past
They're a lot closer to a Ron and Hermione of the past than a Harry and Hermione of the past. And maybe Lily and James did know eachother well, and James just grew up and started acting more mature. there are a lot of things we don't know about them yet. but we do know that they argued a lot. and there have definitely been a lot of changes with Ron and Hermione's relationship. you just don't seem to pay attention. you guys seemed to be too wrapped up with Harry and Hermione's relationship to notice the changes in Ron and Hermione's relationship.
Originally posted by Draco69
Does this sound like a girlfriend or love interest? No. It sounds like what is: a friggin sidekick."Oh Hermoine you so smart and helpful! I've suddenly falled in love with you!"
Oooooooook.
You haven't proved ANYTHING.
James Bond has had sidekicks who are women and yet, he still has sex with them after they have saved the world so it is not that hard to believe that Harry would have intimate feelings for Hermoine after everything she has done for him.
Originally posted by Forcewielder
James Bond has had sidekicks who are women and yet, he still has sex with them after they have saved the world so it is not that hard to believe that Harry would have intimate feelings for Hermoine after everything she has done for him.
You're comparing James Bond to Harry Potter? 🤨
James Bond is pimp. Harry Potter is emotionallly oblivious underdog with zero implications that he has feelings for Hermoine.
Originally posted by star22
Look, lets just agree to disagree. We're not going to convince you, and you are certainly not going to convince us. You ship R/Hr and I'll ship H/Hr.
I guess you're right about that. we won't ever see eye to eye with the subject.
Originally posted by Forcewielder
James Bond has had sidekicks who are women and yet, he still has sex with them after they have saved the world so it is not that hard to believe that Harry would have intimate feelings for Hermoine after everything she has done for him.
Originally posted by Draco69
You're comparing James Bond to Harry Potter? 🤨James Bond is pimp. Harry Potter is emotionallly oblivious underdog with zero implications that he has feelings for Hermoine.
Draco69's right. Harry Potter and James Bond are nothing like eachother. Harry's a wizard who doesn't focus on love, while James Bond is a secret agent who wants to make love with practically every woman he meets. plus, Bond doesn't have a friend to compete against. not to mention that you never see the same girl twice in the bond movies. It's always a different girl, which means he always dumps the one before.
Originally posted by Draco69
You're comparing James Bond to Harry Potter? 🤨James Bond is pimp. Harry Potter is emotionallly oblivious underdog with zero implications that he has feelings for Hermoine.
Just because there are no implications that Harry has feelings for Hermoine doesn't mean that there aren't any because there are alot of guys who are emotionally oblivious but still harbor romantic feelings for the women in their lives like Peter Parker who had a big crush on Mary Jane Watson but does nothing to pursue those feelings since he is a big nerd and Clark Kent who fancies Lois Lane but he too couldn't let her know that since she likes Superman, especially when there's the factor that both S and CK are the same guy.
And besides, Ron never acknowledged the fact that Hermoine is a girl until the Yule Ball because he's too busy insulting her and treating her like she's a man.
Originally posted by #1Rupert_LoverHarry Potter and James Bond are nothing like eachother. Harry's a wizard who doesn't focus on love, while James Bond is a secret agent who wants to make love with practically every woman he meets.
That's gonna change since JK Rowling mentioned that Harry will start focusing on love in HBP although she didn't say who he will hook up with.
Originally posted by Forcewielder
Just because there are no implications that Harry has feelings for Hermoine doesn't mean that there aren't any because there are alot of guys who are emotionally oblivious but still harbor romantic feelings for the women in their lives like Peter Parker who had a big crush on Mary Jane Watson but does nothing to pursue those feelings since he is a big nerd and Clark Kent who fancies Lois Lane but he too couldn't let her know that since she likes Superman, especially when there's the factor that both S and CK are the same guy.And besides, Ron never acknowledged the fact that Hermoine is a girl until the Yule Ball because he's too busy insulting her and treating her like she's a man.
That's gonna change since JK Rowling mentioned that Harry will start focusing on love in HBP although she didn't say who he will hook up with.
Dude, Peter Parker knew he had a crush on MJ. Harry doesn't HAVE a crush on Hermione. and when peter saw Mary Jane with John Jameson, he felt hurt and upset. When Harry saw Hermione with Viktor Krum, he had no indication about being hurt or upset. as a matter of fact, he didn't mind it. Ron, on the other hand, was jealous, which indicated he was hurt and upset. and Superman has to bottle his emotions. Harry lets all of his emotions go. so you can't compare either of them to Harry Potter. and there were many indications that peter had feelings for MJ. trust me, I'm a huge Spider-Man fan. I know what I'm talking about. And for goodness sake! Ron just said that whole girl thing because he wanted to go with her, he already knew she was a girl! It was a joke!
Harry's already focusing on love. but that doesn't mean he's going to start focusing on Hermione.
found this essay really cool,
The Long Road to the Beginning by Lleyki
Okay a few threads ago; even before OOTP came out; Mad Eye Mike made a post referencing the movie The
Usual Suspects. I don't know how many persons here have seen it but I'll refer to it again. At the start of the
movie we are alluded to the person who is probably guilty. However we are then taken on a wild, crazy, twohour
ride; where all different scenarios are thrown at us; making everyone else seem guilty; all to lead us right
back to where we started. Okay the point of my bringing this up.
What have many persons complained about the most when it comes to Harry and Hermione? Oh it's so cliché;
hero gets the girl. How boring, how predictable, that's so obvious. However, judging by the number of things
H/Hr shippers are called (few of my favourites being delusional, insane, illiterate, crazy, pathetic, etc.) on the
MANY HP fan sites; I'd say this seems to be the least likely couple by many. However if one removes all the
other books after SS/PS; the one that laid the foundation of the series; you'd see that Harry and Hermione
were actually made very obvious; and that's my main point here. JK seems to be taking us on the wild crazy
ride, throwing all the different scenarios in our faces; making so many other possibilities seem the most likely
all the while to lead us right back to where we started. I'm sure many will deny it but no one can dispute the
fact that there were WAY less R/Hr shippers pre-GOF. Why is that exactly if it's been obvious since Bk.1 as
some now try to claim? Like I said; remove the other books and one sees that Harry and Hermione were very
well established and most likely. However this is a series of twists and turns and I am sure JK was well aware of
the many persons who would have this same thought "oh how clichéd; hero gets the girl." Thus; she flipped the
script and made the hero getting the girl the least obvious one of all the scenarios.
Btw, in case one is wondering why I make this statement of SS/PS being very H/Hr if one looked at it without
the knowledge of the other books; well here's why. Harry our tortured hero, who's been abused all his life, has
no friends and no love. He comes into this world of magic where he finds a best friend and a girl who can't
seem to stay out of his life; no matter how rude they are to her. Despite all his irritation with her, in the first
signs of danger, he thinks of HER. Strange when one considers that she is NOT his friend and he really has
NEVER said more than a few words to her. He along with his best friend saves her (after he jumps on the Troll
for her, despite how dumb it was), and they all become friends. They instantly have this close friendship. JK
then makes sure that this girl is the one who saves his life, she makes sure to detail HER reaction to his win
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explicitly and then to have HER be with him in the final moments of his big heroic showdown. Not only was she
with him up till the end, the best friend had sacrificed himself for the two and before she leaves, they have the
big "moment." She gets emotional, he has to convince her to leave him; I mean it terms of hero gets the girl it
was a little clichéd, albeit beautifully written. PS/SS very much took on the look of hero, girl and hero's best
friend; the sidekick. Again I say this is PS/SS on its own. However there were SIX more books to write and
what fun would it be to simply have everything laid out so neatly and nicely? Of course you have to shake it up
a bit. I mean what was it Shakespeare said; "the course of true love never did run smooth" and I mean this is a
woman who loves Jane Austen; the queen of making true love a course of twists and turns.
So what is an author to do but to place a number of red herrings in the paths of her readers? Place different
scenarios at them; throwing them way off the path that was established in the first place. First we have Ron
and Hermione. Yes the bickering was present from the first book; however Ron really didn't like Hermione when
he first met her, so the bickering was not just teasing and she pretty much felt the same. However for the next
few books JK plays up on the bickering more; plus she makes Ron's reactions in defending Hermione very
volatile. The classic bickering pair is taken to exaggerated heights. They argue over MANY things and they're
always miffed at each other. Then we come to GOF where hormones and boy-girl themes are finally being dealt
with. We again see the "we argue because we like each other so much and don't know what to do about it"
possibility played to new and explosive heights. It seems every other moment Hermione and Ron are arguing
about something or another. He makes the big realization that she is a girl after ignoring it for three years, he
throws a BIG tantrum over her date, they have an explosive fight following the dance, he continues to show
resentment towards her date, she "appears" to be bothered by his interest in a beautiful, blonde and by many
accounts it seems that Ron and Hermione are certainly the obvious pairing. Harry and Hermione are completely
thrown out the window and many claim there is NO passion, they are just friends. Whatever happens with them
is purely platonic, unromantic and one of pure friendship. Fair enough.
Added to the mix is apparently H/G. Ahh the little sister scenario. The one of boy who sees girl but never
REALLY sees her. We had the famous her chasing the train scene in the first book but we don't get to know her
since she's not attending Hogwarts yet. In the next book we really actually get to meet her and the most
interesting thing about her is that she apparently has a crush on Harry. Turns out there's more and in the end
he ends up saving her life. Interactions between the two are next to null but every once in awhile she pops up;
we're reminded she's still there and still likes Harry. However as is custom for this cliché the girl must get over
her feelings for the boy to come to the realization that she is the perfect match for him. Sure enough in OOTP
Ginny seemingly gets over Harry, she apparently has some great personality that we still mostly hear about.
However the trap is set. She's liked him once before, he's always known it; now that she's no longer harbouring
a silly school-girl crush, they'll see each other on a whole new level. Plus one adds the many supposed
flattering descriptions many shippers of that couple have referred to and it seems to make sense. It's romantic;
it's soft, seemingly something right out of a romance book. However it's a facade. All the so-called flattering
descriptions and imagery and supposed foreshadowing is simply there to hide the fact that there is really
nothing REAL or DEEP between the two. However for dramatic purposes it seems to work and that's just it. The
R/Hr and H/G pairings take on their clichés to the tee. Ron and Hermione, being that they're supposed to be
the "fiery" pair are loud. The situations around them are loud, in your face, ridiculously dramatic and
exaggerated. H/G is quieter but it works for that cliché. It's supposed to be tender and soft. Thus the
"flattering" descriptions of her and the little library scene thrown in to boot.
Harry and Hermione on the other hand do not fit into their tight little cliché. In many little ways they defy the
entire hero gets the girl scenario. She is not the perfect, beautiful, girl in that cliché. He has saved her and
played her hero but she's never been a weakling and in more ways than one she's returned the favour (by
saving him) so they're even. They love each other and are comfortable with one another but not TOO much
that they're like brother and sister. They get along great but do have the ability to annoy each other and are
not above having some intense disagreements. The point is considering the extraordinary and dramatic
situations these kids exist in; Harry and Hermione have a very REAL teen relationship. It isn't overly dramatic;
it isn't plagued by petty jealousy and anger and dominated by forced romantic, dramatic imagery. Instead
there's a bit of it all in the pair. We've had the romantic, dramatic imagery (Yule Ball) but it was controlled so
as not to become too fairytale-like; there's been the anger, but only over important issues, we've seen the
tense moments (the aftermath of the whole prefect scene). The key to this device of misleading is that there
must be elements placed to not have the outcome seem false and a lie and the truth is that if H/Hr becomes
the ending outcome; there were MANY instances throughout ALL the books that led to it. I have used MANY
textual evidence showing that Hermione seems to have deeper feelings than friendship for Harry. As for Harry,
a sudden realization of feelings for Hermione would not seem so implausible when you consider how much she's
meant to him and how much she's represented in his life for all these years. For crying out loud the boy hears
the girl's voice in his head; it's seemingly like she's become a part of him. The line of friendship love and
romantic love is very thin for Harry and Hermione and if in the end they do end up together; we would have
spent seven books of varying scenarios, contradictions, conflicting messages, all to lead us back to right where
we started.
Originally posted by Draco69
Ah. I see people like H/Hr because its "realisitic" and not a cliche. I can respect that. Too bad it'll never happen. I prefer Harry with someone else than Hermoine, Ginny or Luna. Can you guess...?
Um, Harry and Hermione's relationship really isn't realistic. a relationship like Ron and Hermione's strikes me more as realistic, because they go through relationships the way normal couples do. they get into arguments, get jealous, and tease eachother which is what a normal couple does. not to mention opposites usually attract. and as I said before, Ron and Hermione are the complete opposites of each other.
Originally posted by #1Rupert_Lover
Um, Harry and Hermione's relationship really isn't realistic. a relationship like Ron and Hermione's strikes me more as realistic, because they go through relationships the way normal couples do. they get into arguments, get jealous, and tease eachother which is what a normal couple does. not to mention opposites usually attract. and as I said before, Ron and Hermione are the complete opposites of each other.
Um... Normal couples don't fight to the point of not talking to eachoter and not wanting to be friends anymore. I have a very different idea of what is normal; sure it's normal to get in a fight once in a while, but ron and hermione dont just fight, they battle. I don't see their arguing being part of a healthy relationship, I think their dissagrements would ruin their relationship. I personally don't think opposites attract applies here, because people have to have some common ground to get along, and ron and hermione's only common ground is Harry.
The problem is if Harry and Hermoine get together......what role does Ron play? He would be a third wheel. A extremely jealous third wheel at that. If Ron and Hermoine get together since Harry has no predilictions for having feelings for Hermoine and as the main protagonist he would still have a crucial role in the series and the Trio would still exist. However if Harry and Hermoine get together, Ron has no function. It would just be the Golden Couple.....and Ron. Canonically it doesn't make sense. I can see WHY H/Hr is an interesting premise. But for the actual canon it wouldn't happen.
Originally posted by Draco69
The problem is if Harry and Hermoine get together......what role does Ron play? He would be a third wheel. A extremely jealous third wheel at that.
So would Harry if Ron and Hermoine ended up together. Harry too has no role other than to defeat Voldemort and as Hermoine7 mentioned, he is lonely, has no life, no family and has spent his entire childhood being abused by his Uncle, Aunt, and cousin Dudley. For Harry to meet a girl like Hermoine who knows every detail about him, given him a lot of attention, and has been a big help to him, he'd have to develop some feelings for her that are deeper than friendship.
If Ron and Hermoine get together since Harry has no predilictions for having feelings for Hermoine and as the main protagonist he would still have a crucial role in the series and the Trio would still exist. However if Harry and Hermoine get together, Ron has no function. It would just be the Golden Couple.....and Ron. Canonically it doesn't make sense. I can see WHY H/Hr is an interesting premise. But for the actual canon it wouldn't happen.
Its the Ron/Hermoine relationship that don't make sense because they remind me of Buffy and Spike from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" where they start out as enemies but as soon as Spike gets a chip implanted in his brain that prevents him from feeding on humans, he winds up having intimate feelings for Buffy and she is so repulsed by that knowledge, she becomes verbally abusive towards him, she beats him up, and is always distancing herself from him. The same thing is happening with Ron and Hermoine (minus the beating up part) that there is absolutely no reason to believe that they make a better couple than Harry and Hermoine.
Originally posted by #1Rupert_Lover
Dude, Peter Parker knew he had a crush on Mary Jane. Harry doesn't HAVE a crush on Hermoine.
Would Harry risk his life to save Hermoine from the cave troll if he didn't have any feelings for her? He was the only one to realise that she was in danger while her would-be boyfriend Ron didn't give an inkling about it until Harry had to remind him. If Peter had feelings for Mary Jane since Kindergarden, then Harry would have feelings for Hermoine since the 1st year at Hogwarts.
And for goodness sake, Ron just said the whole girl thing because he wanted to go with her, he already knew she was a girl! It was a joke!
Ron should've thought about that before he was being such a rude dumbass to Hermoine forcing her to pick Krum as her date. No woman would ever date a guy who has been mean to her especially when that guy is Ron.
Originally posted by #1Rupert_Lover
Um, Harry and Hermione's relationship really isn't realistic. a relationship like Ron and Hermione's strikes me more as realistic, because they go through relationships the way normal couples do. they get into arguments, get jealous, and tease eachother which is what a normal couple does. not to mention opposites usually attract. and as I said before, Ron and Hermione are the complete opposites of each other.
What? How is it more realistic? If you consider "realistic" to be defined as fighting often and reluctantly backing down, then yes it is realistic.
You've been reinforcing the concept of "opposites attract" for a long time now. Well, face it: They don't ALWAYS attract.. It's like being asked whether you'd be with your soul mate or you would rather be with someone who's your exact opposite. Of course you'd pick your soul mate.
Look at Hermione/Harry's relationship so far: They would make a much more stable couple. They've had some fights (the Firebolt) but not nearly as many and pale in contrast to the intensity of Ron and Hermione's fights. You say that Ron and Hermione stop fighting because they love each other? Nope, it's because of Harry. He's basically the strongest link. They're afraid that he would get exasperated with them both and not talk to them anymore. Like in the case of the aftermath of the Yule Ball.
Originally posted by Draco69
Ah. I see people like H/Hr because its "realisitic" and not a cliche. I can respect that. Too bad it'll never happen. I prefer Harry with someone else than Hermoine, Ginny or Luna. Can you guess...?