"it wasnt disproved if it were the universe as should be (hulk and banner together) the events wouldnt have happened. its that simple. hulk just happened to be funneling energies that negated juggernauts energies. which include unstoppable and his invincibility. what would you call that?? i'd say its being worked around."
You still believe he has unstoppability and invincibility. I find that quite amusing. Because he has neither. As I have proved.
Secondly, what is so hard to understand? Why, when confronted with a two sentence fact, do you repeat the "energies from dimensions" thing, that I haven't even denied?
Watch: Juggernaut was pushing War Hulk with forward motion, he didn't lose power. War Hulk STOPPED HIS FORWARD MOTION and stopped him from pushing.
I'll simplify that: Juggernaut was pushing, then he wasn't. Because he was stopped.
"it is unstoppable, in the universe NORMAL. but the universe wasnt normal. hulk was the focal point of 2 universe worth of energy "
What planet did they fight on? In which Solar System? In which Universe?
Answers: Earth, Earth's and The universe in which Earth resides.
Energy or not, it does not change the fact that Juggernaut is not unstoppable. Even if that instance never happens again, the fact remains he was stopped.
"which isnt unlimited because he cant even overpower juggernaut. REGARDLESS of how mad he has been."
The problems with this sentence are plentiful. Here's why:
A) If they have a straight 1 on 1 and Hulk fails to overpower him, then come here and tell me that his strength isn't unlimited and he can't overpower Juggernaut. Stop saying that the Hulk CAN'T do things when he hasn't even tried to do them.
B) Hulk has never overpowered Juggernaut? Well if the overpowering part is just what we're refering to, I'll point you in the way of Hulk #172. I trust you've read it. The one where Juggernaut jumped onto Hulk's back and tried with no avail, to break the Hulk's neck. Hulk then grabbed him, pulled him off his back, picked him up by his head and swung him around then flung him into a mountain.
Juggernaut got up, I know this. However you said Hulk had never OVERPOWERED him. I think that breaking a neck grip that Juggernaut had on him FROM BEHIND and flinging him into a mountain constitutes as an overpowering maneuuuuuver.
"but he cant do it... therefor one would have to "logically" conclude that juggernauts power is greater than hulks."
Don't say Hulk can't do something that he's never tried and then talk to me of logic when the comment you just made was illogical.
"are you saying he could be so strong that he could physically hurl the earth like a baseball, or that he could drag a galaxy across the universe (something like the infinites did)??? i seriously doubt it..."
A Galaxy isn't something you can physically grab onto is it? You're blowing this a tad out of proportion. You would need more than physical strength for that. If Superman is strong enough to move a planet, and Hulk is theoretically stronger....? Yessss that's right.
"just because you say so?? again, i doubt it."
No, because of the way you present your debates.
"juggernaut proper (fighting someone from his universe, that isnt the focal point of 2 universes worth of energy, that isnt negating his magics)"
I swear in that one sentence you just re-arranged Juggernaut's power purely to negate the War Hulk fight. Yet you talk of consistency?
"stop comparing absolute to common sense."
I said I'll use Absolute AND common sense. Because........they are two different things. Stop accusing me of misdirecting then doing the same thing back.
"its pretty obvious you are just nitpicking. unstoppable has to be moving in the first place. its a definition of the word. to try and be stopped you have to be moving."
Definition says "Impossible or difficult to preclude or stop." When someone refers to another as an "unstoppable" foe, the don't mean "Man I can't beat that guy when he's not standing still." It doesn't apply solely to movement.
"yes, because of a word called negation. not because somebody physically haulted his movement. again juggernaut isnt absolute in power, and his power can be worked around. hulk worked around that power, and is incapable of producing the same results NOW."
So THAT'S why you think Juggernaut was stopped. Because you are taking it upon yourself to pair the stopping of Juggernaut by War Hulk being infront of him, to the fact that he had augmentation.
Tell me somethin', if War Hulk already had the power to vehemently negate Juggernaut's power, why didn't Juggernaut stop dead when he tried to push War Hulk? Hmm.
"do its separately they are not the same thing."
And you also accused me of nitpicking....funny. You're becoming more hypocritical by the second. From now on, anything you say not relating to the characters, fight or circumstances of the fight, I'm not replying to. Pointless.
"do you even know what continuity is?? again, if ya want to, we could refer to hulk in the movie to fight juggernaut, and juggernaut would beat him to a pulp. because the movie version is much, much weaker than the comic book counterpart."
EXACTLY. You have every right to refer to him. Hence why in the other thread I said "It's referable material." You can refer to anything, but if you refer to something we both know is rather unapplicable. It's going to be laughed at isn't it? Like you did to the guy in the other thread. If you can refer to movie Hulk, I can refer to the guy you like to call "Imposternaut" (who in actual fact, was Juggernaut) then put him against Hulk and watch HIM get beaten to a pulp. Then we can go back and forth 🙂. Referable material does not equate to being accurate material. Refer to it all you want but don't expect it to be taken seriously.
-AC