lol. This thread should be stopped now, I think. People must be getting bored of it by now! 😉
I agree with AC that the Hulk has potentially limitless strength - whether this is enough to overwhelm the magical powers of the gem is unknown.
If it can, then EVENTUALLY, Hulk will beat Jugs down...
If not then Hulk can do whatever he likes n Jugs will keep getting up.
Fact is, whatever happens, Jugs can't really dish out enough damage to stop the green guy...
So it's pretty much a draw!
Let's leave it at that lol!
Cheers.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
tron i repeat my opinion as it happens to be the key to this debate, also the answer so many on here seem to be looking for. also its not OPINION really as its just looking at the question with a modicum of intelligence, something u probably find hard to do, shame. at the end of the day hulk is stronger than anyone should he need to be written taht way, something that cant be said for most, if any of the other heros and thats how he has been developed. as for getting so strong as to overpower cyttoraks power why is this so hard to believe to be possible????? perfectly logical really
So basically, Alpha, your explanation of The Hulk being able to beat Juggernaut is "His durability is high with his strength"
Well now, if this is true, then how come when Magneto increases his Strength to 100 class, he is still down in the dumps durability wise?
You didnt explain how infinite strength would help in this battle, you just told me it adds durability? So.
You have a major problem with saying The Hulk wins everything because of his infinite strength, and then NEVER explain HOW he would go about doing this.
Your beggining to irritate me, and ive received pm's from others who are supporting me. The more you constantly say The Hulk will win in every HULK vs form, The more enemies you are making.
"Your beggining to irritate me, and ive received pm's from others who are supporting me. The more you constantly say The Hulk will win in every HULK vs form, The more enemies you are making."
Hahaha. Has it got to the point where I have struck fear into the people who post here? It has come to PMing? And people wonder why I have an ego. I don't need mutineer and people scurrying around PMing me saying "You're right AC". I know I am, it's called self-confidence. Anyone who views me as an enemy has a rather sad life. I have no enemies on internet forums IRTMU. It's just a debate to me. Nothing more. Also, for your own sake, stop claiming that I vote for Hulk in every match. I don't nor have I done so. If everyone is making Hulk threads, and I am an active poster on the versus forum, I have every right to vote in them. If I believe Hulk would win I say so, if I believe he'd lose I say so. If you don't want me to say he'd win, stop making your shitty Rogue Vs Hulk threads. I voted against Hulk overall in the Vs Apocalypse AND Vs Surfer threads. Because he wouldn't win. Stop trying to swing things your way by making false accusations.
"You didnt explain how infinite strength would help in this battle, you just told me it adds durability? So."
So does durability not help in a fight? Think before you type.
"My point is, If what alpha said were true, than anyone who can make themselves stronger, training or not, is immediatly more durable."
You missed the point. Something with INFINITE strength will have insane durability. That's what I said. I never said "anyone who makes themselves stronger gets more durable."
-AC
"HOW... WILL THE HULK... ACTUALLY BEAT JUGGERNAUT?"
You are still asking this on the 127th page? Do you not get it?
NOBODY can say how Hulk WILL beat Juggernaut or how Juggernaut WILL beat The Hulk. Nobody can because it's not happening is it? All anyone can do is say WHY they think the person they are backing, would win. I've done this many times.
Stop asking things you already know the answers to just out of desperation. It's tiresome.
-AC
hmmmmm this isnt a battle like if it was Superman or Gladiator vs the Hulk which Im confident they will defeat the Hulk and have the necessary tools to defeat Hulk and send him packing.
Juggernaut and the Hulk dont posses the tools to destroy each other but have a stalemate after a period time. This battle like has been said before would end up the Hulk getting madder and stronger to a certain point able to get the better of Juggy and just have to send him far away with a punch or super kick and win this battle and continue the war later on
* tron u havent countered my point , just claimed a difference of opinion, well thats just lame sorry sunny.
* my point is unarguable cos its a bloody fact, hulk can be written to smash almost anyone, thats his character and why he has no strength limit, hence can be written struggling with the thing 1 minute and smashing onslaughts armour next.
* how is juggie gonna knock out hulk b4 he is angry? hulk doesnt always get knocked out by being punched /thrown etc.only if it suits the story for a particular reason. it happens rarely to emphasise hulks vulnerable side to his character
*a stalemate will only happen to kep this kind of fan fascination ripe. hulk can easily be written ( within his character ) to whoop juggie, get so powerful he overides cyttoraks magic etc. juggie getting so powerful he is toughenough to whop hulk is unlikely and not really within his characters boundries. hulk is marvels top level muscle end of story really. juggie seems the ultimate in durability , the only reason i think hulk could weaken juggies cyttorak magic is because i dont view cyttoraks magic as being powerful enough to overide a hulk on the verge of getting so strong he could break through anything. and thats pretty much it. thats hulk as a character , he CAN smash juggie , juggie smashing a savage hulk well the question is is cyttorakk powerful enough to protect juggie from a forever increasing physical assault? i dont think juggie is established enough a character to start trying to prove it is.
( i also think jugie being unfased by thors god force totally crap. i mean its magic in nature and thor as a hero is too powerful to have his major shibang just ignored virtually.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* tron u havent countered my point , just claimed a difference of opinion, well thats just lame sorry sunny.
I've countered a few of your points, although that was months ago, and I quit after a while. And it's lame? You mean as lame as statign the same exact thing over and over?😉
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* my point is unarguable cos its a bloody fact, hulk can be written to smash almost anyone, thats his character and why he has no strength limit, hence can be written struggling with the thing 1 minute and smashing onslaughts armour next.
Anyone can written to beat anyone, what's you're point? Yes, his strength is potentially limitless, as has been said over and over, but that doesn't automatically mean he's gonna win.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* how is juggie gonna knock out hulk b4 he is angry? hulk doesnt always get knocked out by being punched /thrown etc.only if it suits the story for a particular reason. it happens rarely to emphasise hulks vulnerable side to his character
The same way he has before, or how Abomination or Iron Man or any others have before. Now it's starting to sound like you're making excuses to why Hulk's been knocked out before.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
*a stalemate will only happen to kep this kind of fan fascination ripe. hulk can easily be written ( within his character ) to whoop juggie, get so powerful he overides cyttoraks magic etc. juggie getting so powerful he is toughenough to whop hulk is unlikely and not really within his characters boundries. hulk is marvels top level muscle end of story really.
Juggernaut doesn't need to get so powerful for anything, he's already there, as has also been said many, many time. Maybe he can get strong enough be break the enchantment of Juggernaut, maybe he can't. But, until I see him do something close to it, I don't see it happening. And Hulk's top level muscle? Do I need to give you a list of who can stomp Hulk into the ground again?
Originally posted by Tough Guy
juggie seems the ultimate in durability , the only reason i think hulk could weaken juggies cyttorak magic is because i dont view cyttoraks magic as being powerful enough to overide a hulk on the verge of getting so strong he could break through anything. and thats pretty much it. thats hulk as a character , he CAN smash juggie , juggie smashing a savage hulk well the question is is cyttorakk powerful enough to protect juggie from a forever increasing physical assault? i dont think juggie is established enough a character to start trying to prove it is.
And there lies the problem, you "don't view". No one denys that Cyttorak is totally all powerful, but at the same time no one knows just how powerful he really is (although he did trap Galactus in the Crimson Cosmos, so that's gotta say something). And why are we going to the "not established" claim again? Mangog and Tyrant aren't all that established either, you gonna say Hulk can beat them too because of that?
Originally posted by Tough Guy
( i also think jugie being unfased by thors god force totally crap. i mean its magic in nature and thor as a hero is too powerful to have his major shibang just ignored virtually.
Well, you're entitled to your opinion. Yeah it's magic in nature, but it's still just a blast, a blast he can obviously take. True, Thor is a powerful hero, and apparantly Juggernaut is a powerful villain. Now don't read too much into that, cause I'm not saying that puts him in the league of other villains, but he's still a threat to most powerful characters.