"...as I was saying, you and Banner have done battle before. The result being you always lose. Never the less we have determinded that Hulk triumphed by default, his defeat is possible by YOUR HAND ALONE. Once you have destroyed him, we guarantee removal of your neck dart and restraints."
-Female Agent to Abomination in Hulk #51.
What happened? Hulk tracked HIM down, they knocked each other around, Hulk decided he was bored then Abomination made the mistake of mentioning Betty, Hulk then decided to put a hole in Abom's face, then throw him into a helicopter in the sky that was filming the incident, nearly killing him.
Hulk has never lost to Abomination. Since when did the fight matter more than the victor?
-AC
Originally posted by Tough Guy
tron, firstly im not saying ANy hero can be wrietten to do nything, ie spidey cannot win against say collosus by lifting a mountain up and trapping him underit, its outside his character , his power level if u like.
Well, any character CAN be written to beat anybody. Spider-Man's not as strong as Colossus, but he can still be written to beat him, just like he can be written to beat Firelord, or the Fantastic Four beating Galactus, Wolverine beating Lobo, Deathstroke beating the Justice League, Punisher beating the Marvel Universe, Batman beating everybody, etc.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
all im saying is hulk as a character does not have this boundry, he is created to be able to draw enough power ( should the story require ) to beat , well virtually anyone ( in a brawl, physically), also to be able to take virtually any punishment dished out to him.
True, as he have that potential, but doesn't mean he's gonna draw on it all the time, as has happened on most occasions.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
the fact he has been knoccked down, or drawn blanks against certain heros is because hulk is in literally hundreds of comics, juggie is only in a fraction of what hulk is, therefore not as likely to be shown as vulnerable. comon sense really.
Well, that's not a very good defense. Juggernaut hasn't been in as many comics, being a villain of course, but has still been in a good number, so judging on that alone isn't very helpful for you.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
another point is juggie is not that strong, his power is really incredible durability ( which maybe u could argue matches hulks strength potential) and the ability to run in a particular direction without being stopped ( a silly power really). he also ha superhuman strength ranging from 80 to the 100 tonne level, obviously has also gone outside this though no to the same levels as hulk. basically its hulk the ultimate in physical punishment v juggie the ultimate in physical invulnerability.
Not that strong? Well apparantly he's strong enough to trade punches with Hulk and Thor, which you keep writing off. And you're still on this running in the same direction thing? We've already been through that one, so I'm not gonna repeat myself (unless you want me to of course). And now, this is where I use your own arguement against you: While Juggernaut may not have accomplished the strength feats that Hulk has, he still hasn't been in enough situations to truly test his strength. And physical punishment vs physical invulnerability? It's a little more than just that, but of course you choose not to see it that way.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* heres why i think hulk takes it within the boundries of character , juggie is impervious to physicakl assault, yet requires a forcefield???
Okay, now I don't know about everyone else, but this makes little sense to me. I don't know exactly what you were trying to say, but as far as the force field goes, he has it. Get over it.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* hulk has no limit to his strength, juggies '' limitless invulnerability'' is from cyttorak , now this magic is not unlimited, as there are more powerful magics in the mu. incredibly powerful maybe, however hulk has the ability to be un limited in his assault on juggie , i think this is the clincher.
No one's said anything unlimited about Juggernaut for pages, why bring it back up. And yeah, there are stronger forces within the MU (although Cyttorak's power has not really been tested as of yet), but it doesn't change the fact that Cyttorak is apparantly pretty powerful. And that alone could be enough to put down Hulk, unlimited or not.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* hulk is far to durable for juggie to harm ( on the whole) and gets tougher as he gets angrier. juggie is not strong enough to harm him. ( savage ) that means juggie just becomes a target.
What?! Tell me you're not serious. Hulk HAS been harmed by Juggernaut, among others that aren't as strong. And you keep going on the Savage Hulk or Professor thing, but wasn't it the Professor that held up a mountain?😉
Originally posted by Tough Guy
hulk then has to reach a crtain level of strength to be able to actually harm juggie as has a limitless gstrength vat to draw from. eventually he will reach this, especially if he is majorly pissed. this is based within the characters themselves.
Can he grow stronger than Juggernaut? I don't deny it. Can he hurt him after? That still can't be proven. It may be within Hulk's character to get stronger, but it's within Juggernaut's character to take whatever he hits him with.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
not a made up opinion tron, dont try that old chestnut every time you are backed into a corner.
I wouldn't talk about trying old "chestnuts" if I were you. And back into a corner? You keep telling yourself that.😉
Originally posted by Tough Guy
hulk could easily be written ( within his character) betaing juggie should writers need a hero to do this. obviously it makes more sense for business having stalemates, this sells more comics.
Yeah, and Juggernaut could easily be written to beat Hulk, and it's just as much within his character as it is Hulk's. And yeah it sells more comics, but then again that's not what we're talking about in this thread is it?
Originally posted by Tough Guy
however where as i see it within hulks ability ( drawing on his limitless raw power) i dont see how u expect juggie to be able to beat him. his strength /raw physical power is not unlimited. either juggie is gonna get tossed around like a beach ball coz hulk cnat each the level of strength required to hurt him ( unlikely in a long battle) or juggie is gonna end up being hurt as hulk reaches the necassary strength level however high, to do this. more likely is a cameo from prof x to mangle juggies mind, or hulks and leave us with more uncertainties.
I don't expect anything, as I've continued to say. But, I still say Juggernaut has about as much of a chance as Hulk. If anyone can take whatever he hits him with, and return the favor, it's Juggernaut.
Now, I must ask, not to sound rude, but the next time you make a post, can you organize it a little better, and make it more readible? Seriously, I had hell trying to understand it, and it looked like you just rushed and typed away, which is why I didn't respond sooner. It's not fun reading a post like that when you have a splitting headache. So if you can, could you please slow down and make your post easier to read? I'd appreciate it.
"Can we all just except the fact The Hulk cant hurt juggernaut, and juggernaut cant hurt the hulk and get on with our posting lives?"
Says the person keeping the thread alive.
You believe that killing someone makes a win and nothing more so I can see why this is so clean cut for you.
I'm more than done with this thread. I think everyone else is too, after almost 130 pages.
-AC
Originally posted by CountQuan
why is this thread still going on??? Each time Juggy gets Hulk mad the Hulk gets bigger, so he crushes Juggy. Understand? Its unbelievable that this thread has 129 pages
Originally posted by CountQuan
why is this thread still going on??? Each time Juggy gets Hulk mad the Hulk gets bigger, so he crushes Juggy. Understand? Its unbelievable that this thread has 129 pages
When/if it ever happens....then maybe I'll accept your weak arguement.
Until then...just keep holding onto the fact that Juggernaut choked Hulk's ass out.
don't get me wrong Juggy strong but he's strength has to have a limit. I mean sooner or later he'd say. "Sh*t this is too heavy I can't lift it" Hulk strength is fueled by rage..the madder he gets the stronger he gets..it's been said his strength knows no limits my dear buddy boy type friend person with that being known...physically the HUlk should have no equal. or to put it simply " Hulk smash big funny helmet head man".
Juggernaut has PROVEN himself to be a match for Hulk in physical strength.
Spout off all the marveldirectory.com crap you guys want. Preach the bios and trading cards until you get blue in the face.
Fact. Juggernaut has physically beat Hulk unconscious.
Fact. Hulk has never physically beat Juggernaut unconscious.
Fact. Juggernaut's strength limit is unknown and has been show to have no limit up to this point.
Sure...Juggernaut may have a limit...I can accept that. But that limit has never been shown. And Hulk's "limitless strength" doesn't prove itself to be very limitless when someone like Juggernaut uses sheer strength to choke him out.