Juggernaut or The Hulk?

hes not the same character now as his character neede to be straightened out if it was to become more mainstream. if hulk only appeared in the odd issue he would not only never lose but would be written far more powerful than he is used as readers wouldnt notice him insanely powerful on the odd occasion it would be more acceptable, as he is very maionstream this cannot happen, no one would read a comic where the hero is unbeatably powerful. heck wait doesnt superman still sell well lol. before u argue i dont think marvel would sell well wuth that as their philosophy

What's so out of context about it? The premise of it is to block things like sonics and possibly higher degrees of magic. You'd expect somebody with a name like "Juggernaut" to have a lot of defense.

And I seriously doubt Hulk can even get close to infinite strength.

If he's fueled by adrenaline, the only way he'd get to his peak is if somebody's already curbstomping him and he's afraid for his life.

"infinite" strength is a term that get's used a lot when describing hulk......... i don't care how angry he can get there's no way in hell he could take out a real Infinate therefore he can't possibly have limitless strength, just like adamantium isn't really indestructable...... nothing in the MU is, cap's shield and thor's hammer have both been broken at some point, and the hulks broken the cyttorak bands before as well

the hulk is very strong........... but no-one has limitless strength

Originally posted by Tough Guy
hulk if was a real life character would never lose a fight anyway. infinite strength with a hard ass durability in the real world would be unbeatable in a physical fight

If Hulk was a real life character he wouldn't be holding up mountains without it crumbling under him and killing everyone else, he wouldn't be detroying asteroids "twice the size of Earth" without the chunks wiping out the rest of the planet anyways, hell, he wouldn't even be the Hulk, cause Bruce Banner's ass would've become a burnt shadow on the ground from that nuke. Not a very good analogy here.

"And I seriously doubt Hulk can even get close to infinite strength."

You can't get close to an infinite. The point is that you can keep drawing from the source.

-AC

There are many people with limitless strength. Beyonder has limitless strength. Anyone who has the infinity power gem has limitless strength. Hulk has limitless strength. Of course Hulk cannot exercise "infinity strength," infinity cannot be reached.

However Hulk's strength can increase to approach infinity, hence there is no limit. This isn't an assumption, Hulk's Marvel Encyclopedia profile says he can execise near infinite strength. "Near infinite" is as close as you can get, because infinity cannot be reached. That means that his strength will continue to rise forever, but never reaching infinity. Therefore his strength is limitless. Do you understand now?

Good point, Tron.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You can't get close to an infinite. The point is that you can keep drawing from the source.

ok ok, so i wasn't very clear with what i meant by infinite

i meant hulk could no way become strong enough to hurt an infinite (one of those giant robot looking guys) therefore his strength can't be limitless

didn't pre-crisis fonzie get whupped by pre-crisis mork? you lie about your supposed strength level swank............. shame on you........

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
What's so out of context about it? The premise of it is to block things like sonics and possibly higher degrees of magic. You'd expect somebody with a name like "Juggernaut" to have a lot of defense.

And I seriously doubt Hulk can even get close to infinite strength.

If he's fueled by adrenaline, the only way he'd get to his peak is if somebody's already curbstomping him and he's afraid for his life.

The longer you're in a fight, the more adrenaline is released. The strength increase is accompanied by a slight increase in size that is noticable throughout the Hulk's comics. This allows for more adrenaline capacity, hence more strength capacity. It is an infinite cycle. The longer Hulk is in a fight, the bigger and stronger he will become.

Originally posted by Scoobless
didn't pre-crisis fonzie get whupped by pre-crisis mork? you lie about your supposed strength level swank............. shame on you........

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The longer you're in a fight, the more adrenaline is released. The strength increase is accompanied by a slight increase in size that is noticable throughout the Hulk's comics. This allows for more adrenaline capacity, hence more strength capacity. It is an infinite cycle. The longer Hulk is in a fight, the bigger and stronger he will become.

This is part of why I stand by the fight going on forever.

Infinity has no plateau. It would be like a diagonal ray on an xy plane rising towards infinity, (starting at whatever Hulk's base strength is, we only know it's greater than 100 tons,) and it wouldn't stop rising until he calmed down. It would never plateau. That would mean that his strength had a limit, wouldn't it?

Originally posted by Scoobless
ok ok, so i wasn't very clear with what i meant by infinite

i meant hulk could no way become strong enough to hurt an infinite (one of those giant robot looking guys) therefore his strength can't be limitless

You wouldn't be referring to a Sentinel when you say "one of those giant robot looking guys" would you? Yes his strength can increase infinitely, no it cannot reach infinity. Infinity cannot be reached.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Infinity has no plateau. It would be like a diagonal ray on an xy plane rising towards infinity, (starting at whatever Hulk's base strength is, we only know it's greater than 100 tons,) and it wouldn't stop rising until he calmed down. It would never plateau. That would mean that his strength had a limit, wouldn't it?

The fight will either be really quick, Juggernaut knocks Hulk out before he's strong enough, or go on for quite a while. In that length of time, the thrill of the fight, the danger, it's all subsided. He plateaus.

Why would Juggernaut knock Hulk out quickly? They are equally as strong, equally as durable, Hulk is faster, more agile, and smarter. You say "Juggernaut would knock Hulk out" as if it were an easy task. Fighting Juggernaut isn't going to keep Hulk calm, and if he could reach a point where his strength stopped increasing, (which he does not) he would be thousands of times stronger than Juggernaut. Let's use logic, If they start off at the same level, and Hulk's strength constantly increases, why would their strength's be equal? It wouldn't be a draw, Hulk would win.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You wouldn't be referring to a Sentinel when you say "one of those giant robot looking guys" would you? Yes his strength can increase infinitely, no it cannot reach infinity. Infinity cannot be reached.

no i was in fact reffering to an infinite (as stated) when i say "giant robot looking thing" i mean GIANT.......... as in its hand is as large as a solar system............ they were the "bad guys" in "Avengers Infinity" ......... i'm sure they have been in a few other stories as well

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/infinites.htm

Who are you talking about? Not even Galactus is that big.

i just added a site with a little more info on them, check it out
they are WAY more powerful than galactus, eternity couldn't do anything against them

Well whoever they are, Hulk could theoretically match their strength, but he would surely be destroyed first.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Why would Juggernaut knock Hulk out quickly?

They are equally as strong, equally as durable, Hulk is faster, more agile, and smarter. You say "Juggernaut would knock Hulk out" as if it were an easy task. Fighting Juggernaut isn't going to keep Hulk calm, and if he could reach a point where his strength stopped increasing, (which he does not) he would be thousands of times stronger than Juggernaut. Let's use logic, If they start off at the same level, and Hulk's strength constantly increases, why would their strength's be equal? It wouldn't be a draw, Hulk would win.

A skydiver isn't going to have the same rush he got on his first jump on his 1000th jump.

I'm not saying Hulk is going to be calm.

And I said NOTHING about their strength being equal.

He obviously can't be that smart if he reaches a point when he's taking no damage and is still producing adrenaline at a considerable rate. And unless their memory is getting wiped every 4 minutes, they *will* reach a point when they realize what they're doing is pointless.

Let's use logic. You're fighting someone who's taking no damage and you're taking no damage. Your adrenaline rush is over from the beginning of the fight. All that's really happening is you're getting bonked in the head and occasionally thrown somewhere.

Are you going to keep psyching out? Or will you likely chill out knowing no progress will be made and every facet of the fight has been explored in the first 20 minutes?