The facts are that
1: Hulk will be stronger than Juggernaut
2: Hulk is faster, more reactive, and more agile than Juggernaut
3: Hulk is just as durable as Juggernaut, both are "virtually indestructable"
4: Current day Hulk is a Super-Genius. Way smarter than Juggernaut.
5: According to Marvel, Hulk has better fighting skills than Juggernaut.
Juggernaut is beat in just about every category. There's no reason whatsoever why he should win this fight. He has absolutely no advantages over Hulk.
The both of them will be taking damage. Both are "virtually indestructable" not "invincible." Juggernaut has never knocked out Hulk quickly. In the fight that Juggernaut won, near the end of the fight he knocked Hulk down and pounded him until he was unconscious. That wasn't the current day Hulk. This Hulk retains genius level intelligence, and is more durable.
There's no reason for either to win. That's why it's a tie.
What's Hulk going to do, use his strength that used to be IMPEDED by having Banner's intelligence and physically hurt someone who defies physics?
Genius or braying moron, it doesn't really matter. The only thing having smarts will help with is knowing when something is pointless or possibly getting a "battlefield removal" that nobody likes.
And Juggernaut durability squashes Hulk durability sans regeneration. Even though at that level the difference is blurry.
Hey, I'm smarter, faster, and better at fighting than a tree. What am I going to do, kick it down?
You forgot one part. If you were stronger than a tree, yes, you would. You fail to realize that neither are utterly invulnerable. Both will be taking damage, and Juggernaut will be taking more damage than Hulk. No, intelligence no longer impedes Hulk's strength increase. Hulk has broken the Bands of Cytorrak. Whether he's just as durable with or without the regeneration is completely irrelevant; he has regeneration, and can take any attack Juggernaut can. Hulk is or will be stronger than Juggernaut. Sooner or later, Juggernaut loses.
Hulk defies physics, gaining over 900lbs of muscle, bone, blood, and tissue due to adrenaline release is pretty extra-physical. Juggernaut defies physics? Besides his size increase, how so?
But I've got the tree beat 3 out of 5, I should win now!
Name a time when Juggernaut has been physically damaged by physical means. A time that didn't involve mindwarping.
Durability is not irrelevant. The regeneration can be overridden.
And everybody breaks those bands. They're more based on the caster.
Unless you had a means of destroying the tree, (e.g. strength) your other abilities are negligible. Hulk's strength and durability are key to his victory. Hulk overcame Juggernaut with force in TIH #457
I never said durability was irrelevant. The source of the durability is. How could Juggernaut override the regeneration?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hulk defies physics, gaining over 900lbs of mucle due to adrenaline release is pretty extra-physical. Juggernaut defies physics? Besides his size increase, how so?
And also not needing to eat or breath. Not because of any glands, he just doesn't.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Unless you had a means of destroying the tree, (e.g. strength) your other abilities are negligible. Hulk's strength and durability are key to his victory. Hulk overcame Juggernaut with force in TIH #457
I never said durability was irrelevant. The source of the durability is. How could Juggernaut override the regeneration?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Unless you had a means of destroying the tree, (e.g. strength) your other abilities are negligible. Hulk's strength and durability are key to his victory. Hulk overcame Juggernaut with force in TIH #457I never said durability was irrelevant. The source of the durability is. How could Juggernaut override the regeneration?
War (hulk) was juiced to the max.
Apoc used Juggernaut as a test for War. He was said to be a "valuable test of celestial might"
That's like Juggernaut beating up Bruce Banner and saying he beat the Hulk. Maybe a version of the Hulk that showed up in more than 1 comic would be a more reasonable arguement.
You displayed a picture of Juggernaut regenerating, (obviously he can be damaged) and I am unsure of what the other depicts. Not needing to breath or eat doesn't defy physics, it defies conventional biology. Magic defies physics.
War Hulk doesnt have celestial technology, Apocalypse did that to Hulk. He only had a few weapons, a kitana, a few shurikens, sais, ect. If he had celestial tech, he would obliterate Juggernaut.
Juggernaut is certainly not fast, and he could not provide great enough damage to override the regeneration. Both are virtually indestructable. And actually both have regeneration. Hence, Juggernaut is no more invulnerable than Hulk is.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You displayed a picture of Juggernaut regenerating, (obviously he can be damaged) and I am unsure of what the other depicts. Not needing to breath or eat doesn't defy physics, it defies conventional biology. Magic defies physics.War Hulk doesnt have celestial technology, Apocalypse did that to Hulk. He only had a few weapons, a kitana, a few shurikens, sais, ect. If he had celestial tech, he would obliterate Juggernaut.
Juggernaut is certainly not fast, and he could not provide great enough damage to override the regeneration. Both are virtually indestructable. And actually both have regeneration. Hence, Juggernaut is no more invulnerable than Hulk is.
Im new to the board and find this interesting. Iam big fan of both characters. so if this is the old school juggernaut vs hulk u have to look at there powers
hulk can lift 100 tons+ his normal strength level is at 70tons
hes is very durable can leap 3 miles high etc
juggernaut can lift 100 tons + his strength level doesnt cut out at 100 tons, it is imeasurable. he is invunerable, cant die buy any PHYSICAL HARM. doesnt need to breathe or eat etc.
While they both have had previous fights and both have won, neither has destroyed the other. juggernaut came close and would have if not for red skull, and even in there first fight the x-men came to save the day. no matter how strong the hulk gets he still cant hurt the juggernaut which alot of people seem to forget HE IS INVUNERABLE TO ANY PHYSICAL HARM. any thing the hulk dishes out he can take. it doesnt hurt him.juggernaut can never tire, the hulk will eventually tire and the hulk isnt invunerable like people think he can be killed. the fight would go on for days weeks if it had to but eventually the juggernaut would rain supreme over the hulk ,if it was a fight to the finish.
If u were to put them in an arena and have them slug it out, juggernaut would win, due to the fact that he cant be harmed,and he never gets tired. the only 2 weakness juggy has is psychic powers and magical powers of sufficent strength, and since hulk posseses neither one of those powers he loses. no matter how strong gets he can get 1000 times stronger than juggernaut. u cant beat a guy with strength alone. especially if the guy cant be killed and cant tire. what if the juggernaut choked the hulk to death? hulk needs to breathe juggernaut cant. If it was a fight to the death HULK would lose eventually
Now if this was a normal run of the mill fight and meeting between the 2. hulk would probably win cause he can always hulk up to 1000 times stronger then juggs and toss him across a country, and the fight would be over. hulk wins but juggs would still be alive. hope this helps with the current debate
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
What is possible? The source of Juggernaut's power is magical, He cannot perform magical feats.
He used magic to shrink Nightmare.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
War Hulk really isn't that powerful. What celestial technology does he possess?
That sure is a puny Juggernaut... I never knew he could cast spells. His profile says he has no energy projection. It is well within Hulk's power, without any enhancements, to defeat Juggernaut. They are identical in power, except for speed, intelligence, and fighting skills.
Savagerampage
Hulk's strength does not start at 70 tons, marveldirectory.com is inaccurate. Hulk's strength starts off well above 100 tons.