Juggernaut or The Hulk?

I don't believe any of that will help him considering their strength and durability. Again, unless for the disliked "battlefield removal."

I'd be more on Hulk's side if it was like a sumo match or something.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
To linkalicious

How about Mindless Hulk? You know, the one who tore apart Onslaught's unbreakable armor, and bent grade 1 adamantinum? Really it's irrelevant, because the current Hulk is a complete merger.

and who was the one who proclaimed this armor to be "unbreakable"?

The only person to even take a pop shot at Onslaught other than Hulk was Rogue. And you're mentioning a comic arc where Onslaught physically ripped a gem out of Juggernaut's chest when that gem isn't even in his chest to begin with...real consistant.

Besides...this strength arguement has been brought up like 3,200 times throughout this discussion.

It doesn't strengthen the arguement because no one can ever name a time when Juggernaut has been hit so hard that he stayed down for an extended period of time...nor have they been able to mention a time when someone has hit him so hard that it knocked him unconscious.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube

Hulk's strength does not start at 70 tons, marveldirectory.com is inaccurate. Hulk's strength starts off well above 100 tons.

If that is accurate then it still doesnt really matter! Like i said juggernaut is INVUNERABLE TO Physical harm! all the hulk relies is on physicality same as juggs but in a fight to the death u cant kill a guy who cant die buy any physical harm.

If it was just a normal fight and not to the death the hulk would win. he would outsmart, outtoss juggernaut.

but in a last man standing match hulk would go down. bottom line

The gem thing most likely was Onslaught using his psionics to manipulate Cain into dropping his guard and him ripping out the gem was the representation of Cain losing his powers temporally. Then BAM, Jersey!

Hey, they're the writers. Where is the Gem?

I don't follow Juggernaut comics avidly, but he is said to have very high resistance to injury. He is not immune to physical damage. Hulk floored Juggernaut in TIH #404, though he didnt' knock him out. Juggernaut isn't invincible, he only has an extremely high resistance to damage. Eventually, Hulk would be strong enough to defeat Juggernaut.

The old juggernaut cannot be harmed by any physical attack check this link out i found devoted to juggernaut. explains everything, it even has a section devoted to the new juggernaut which he calls the jobbernaut lolol http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/Crimson_Cosmos/misc.html

so hulk still loses

The only instance where it even looks like Juggernaut has been harmed significantly by physical means is the screwy Onslaught arc if that frames it up.

As for the gem, I have no idea. It appears where it needs ot be.

That's another innacurate fansite savagerampage. Buy the official Marvel Encyclopedia. Juggernaut can be harmed. He can be harmed. Hulk is just as durable as Juggernaut, and stronger too.

Actually, Onslaught used reality warping (Franklin Richard's power) to pull the gem from his chest, though it was never really there, and take his power. (Remember, Onslaught has the power of Magneto, Xavier, Cable, and Franklin Richards.)

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
That's another innacurate fansite savagerampage. Buy the official Marvel Encyclopedia. Juggernaut can be harmed. He can be harmed. Hulk is just as durable as Juggernaut, and stronger too.

You're right, that's why you shouldn't use fansites for references. However, Juggernaut being "invincible" is utterly false.

But until Juggernaut is bloodied by a straight kick or punch, we can only assume he's immune to physical force.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I don't believe any of that will help him considering their strength and durability. Again, unless for the disliked "battlefield removal."

I'd be more on Hulk's side if it was like a sumo match or something.

Missed this one.

Juggernaut isn't really a fighter, he likes to punch and wrestle, while current Hulk is a strong, fast, intelligent, tactician and a great fighter.

If anything the "Unstoppable Juggernaut" would win a Sumo wrestling match, but he'd lose a fight..

If Hulk knocked him down with a punch, he is not immune to physical force. After Rouge took some of his power, she sent Juggernaut reeling. In Incredible Hulk vol 2, Hulk flings Juggernaut into a mountain. However invulnerable Juggernaut is he is not invincible, and his durability will eventually be breeched by Hulk's infinitely increasing strength.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Missed this one.

Juggernaut isn't really a fighter, he likes to punch and wrestle, while current Hulk is a strong, fast, intelligent, tactician and a great fighter.

If anything the "Unstoppable Juggernaut" would win a Sumo wrestling match, but he'd lose a fight..

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If Hulk knocked him down with a punch, he is not immune to physical force. After Rouge took some of his power, she sent Juggernaut reeling.

And Juggernaut also choked out Rogue while beating down Colossus with less than half of his power when he tried to turn Black Tom into a Juggernaut.

He obviously felt it. If I am immune to heat, not only will I not be burned; I will not feel it. Juggernaut is not immune to physical force. I am not arguing if he can beat Rouge or Collossus, I am only giving you instances of Juggernaut being fazed, or even scathed by physical force.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He obviously felt it. If I am immune to heat, not only will I not be burned; I will not feel it. Juggernaut is not immune to physical force.

I am not arguing if he can beat Rouge or Collossus, I am only giving you instances of Juggernaut being fazed, or even scathed by physical force.

Technicalities, sigh...
Here's another analogy, If I am immune to electricity, not only will I not be electrocuted, I will not feel it. If Juggernaut could not be damaged physically, how would he have become the skeleton you depicted earlier?

Juggernaut is certainly stronger than both Rouge and Colossus. We don't know what his strength is, so we don't know what half of his strength is. We only know that he is still stronger than Rouge and Collossus.

In your statement, Juggernaut was not being attacked. I was only showing you the he can be affected by physical force, you have not proven to me that he cannot. You cannot prove that he cannot be affected by physical force, as I have just disproved your claim.

That was a magical attack when he became a skeleton. Nobody said he was invulernable to magic. Hulk does not posses magic so that is not a weakness in this fight.

Who was he fighting?