Strange put Hulk to sleep, It's not like he knocked him out with a punch. And yes, Strange has defeated the Juggernaut. They didn't need Juggernaut, Eternity even says "I could have freed myself anytime I wanted to," and sends him and Nightmare both to oblivion.
According to your logic; Hulk beat Onslaught, Juggernaut lost to Onslaught, so Hulk should beat Juggernaut.
Jean Grey did seperate them by shutting out Banner's conciousness. Doc Samson has done the same thing using psychiatrics. Hulk can have more than one body if his psyches are seperated.
The fact is, Hulk is stronger, Hulk is faster, Hulk is smarter. Juggernaut is equally as durable as Hulk. He's not invincible, and eventually Hulk will beat him to a pulp.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Clutching at straws, are we?If Juggernaut has two layers of psionic protection, both of them are "impervious" and mystical in nature, how would Onslaught (who only has the augmented telepathic ability of Charles Xavier) penetrate the helmet. Why would Onslaught remove the helmet later, if he could easily penetrate it? Why would a telepathic attack send Juggernaut several hundred miles? Let's face it, Juggernaut is not invincible.
Great job on the pic...thanks.
umm...I don't know where it says that the helmet is "impervious" but I know that Bedlam (one of the exemplars) was able to continually attack Juggernaut mentally through his helmet. It was in Juggernaut 8th day I think. I was reading it like 2 days ago but it's back in the box.
I'm kinda done going on the defensive with Juggernaut now. What about Hulk's endurance? I've seen Hulk's body able to take abuse that is really impressive, but I've also seen him knocked unconscious on several instances.
One that really surprised me was in Spiderman #19 where Spidey and Hulk battle the Sinister 6. Doc Ock beats the ever loving day lights out of the Hulk and leaves him completely unconscious. And Juggernaut choked him out as well.
Where's this comparable endurance and uncanny healing factor then? Those are just 2 instances...I'm not even a Hulk collector to tell you the truth.
But then again, after re-reading the few Hulk comics I have...I think it would actually be a pretty safe assumption that Hulk's thunderclap would be able to disorient Juggernaut.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Jean Grey did seperate them by shutting out Banner's conciousness. Doc Samson has done the same thing using psychiatrics. Hulk can have more than one body if his psyches are seperated.
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how can hulk have more then 1 body if his psyches are seperated. when has that ever happend?As far as i know it that was the first time bruce banner and his "transformed self have been seperated" jean grey is a telepath, where on earth does a telepath have the cosmic ability to seperate the hulk from banner. all she did was shut off the hulks normal human side and made him mindless there is no way she seperated the 2. come on now, thats something galactus would pull off
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Eternity even says "I could have freed myself anytime I wanted to," and sends him and Nightmare both to oblivion.According to your logic; Hulk beat Onslaught, Juggernaut lost to Onslaught, so Hulk should beat Juggernaut.
We arent talking about eternity, we were talking about strange asking juggernaut for help.
News Flash hulk didnt beat onslaught either all he managed to do was crack his armor. It took all the avengers,fantastic,4,x-men and others to finish off onslaught so get the facts straight. Hulk after he cracked the armor was lying unconsious just like the juggernaut was when onslaught tossed him.
Heck doc ock knocked hulk silly. lolol if doc ock can do it imagine what the juggernaut can do.
Hulk cant hurt juggernaut , hulk cant outlast juggernaut, no sonic clap is gonna hurt him. in the end the hulk is the loser
Actually Hulk destroyed his armor, basically defeating him. Hey, Juggernaut couldn't do it, could he?
In Spiderman 19, a really old comic, Hulk was much, much weaker and less durable, and Doctor Octopus had indestructable adamantium arms. As I displayed in the picture, the recent Hulk knocked out Dr. Octopus with one finger.
Hulk can't outlast Juggernaut? Go to www.marvel.com and visit "marvel universe." You will see that Hulk is equally as durable as Juggernaut. Both are "virtually indestructable" according to the ability chart. In recent comics, no one has been able to defeat Hulk with brute force alone.
You keep saying what Hulk won't do to Juggernaut. What is Juggernaut going to do to Hulk, with his slow ass? Hulk is a hundred times faster than him. The thunderclap would do quite a bit of damage to Juggernaut, just as Banshee's sonic scream does. Hulk can hurt Juggernaut, and Hulk has hurt Juggernaut. Juggernaut is not immune to physical damage, and in the end, Hulk wins.
well what i know of juggs he is invicible to physical harm unless there are outstanding circumstances.
hulk would get tired after a while of fighting jugs...jugs never tires from physical fighting.
nothing hulk can do will physically hurt jugs...the end.
jugs can physically hurt hulk.... the end.
jugs never tires...the end
hulk tires...the end.
if the fight went on till one died or got to tired to fight or K.O'd Jugs would win....THE END!
theres no way around this fact....no "well look at this card that was drawn to look pretty in a set...it shows blood from jugs mouth..."
theres no "but hulk gets stronger!!!"
theres no "but hulk is blahblahblab my favorite character"
when its over...in a fair fight...that only ends when one gives up...dies...or knocked out.... JUGS WINS
THE END!!
Originally posted by savagerampage
how can hulk have more then 1 body if his psyches are seperated. when has that ever happend?As far as i know it that was the first time bruce banner and his "transformed self have been seperated" jean grey is a telepath, where on earth does a telepath have the cosmic ability to seperate the hulk from banner. all she did was shut off the hulks normal human side and made him mindless there is no way she seperated the 2. come on now, thats something galactus would pull off
No...it wasnt the first time they were separated...it was a pretty big story arc when the two were separated the first time. Additionally, Hulk was not mindless when he fought Onslaught, he was savage...the same classic Green Savage Hulk we see at present in the comics and from Incredible Hulk vol I #1 to the first time Hulk and Banner were separated. Mindless Hulk, who would very easily smash Juggernaut, and give Onslaught a good match, is mindless and incapable of speach. When Savage Hulk fought Onslaught he clearly said "Hulk Smash" and "Hulk is the Strongest" proving he was not Mindless Hulk who took on several big guns from the Avengers all at once, but plain the plain old Savage Hulk who has appeared in most issues of TIH.
* nice to see u back wynndar
*long pig, whos to say huk ant get powerful enough to harm juggie physically, from what i read juggie is open to physical harm from insanely powerful sources.
*juggie does not and wont hve all the power of cyttorak anyway, and even if he could its not infinite in its power.
* juggie is an incredibly tough test for hulk as hi durability is a pain , but hulk has no cap on what he can do with his strength, thats why he wins. also his durability is really on par with juggies when hulk is on top form, as he heals back from nothing really and withstands atomic bombs for goodness sakes
Originally posted by long pig
well what i know of juggs he is invicible to physical harm unless there are outstanding circumstances.
hulk would get tired after a while of fighting jugs...jugs never tires from physical fighting.
nothing hulk can do will physically hurt jugs...the end.
jugs can physically hurt hulk.... the end.
jugs never tires...the end
hulk tires...the end.
if the fight went on till one died or got to tired to fight or K.O'd Jugs would win....THE END!
theres no way around this fact....no "well look at this card that was drawn to look pretty in a set...it shows blood from jugs mouth..."
theres no "but hulk gets stronger!!!"
theres no "but hulk is blahblahblab my favorite character"
when its over...in a fair fight...that only ends when one gives up...dies...or knocked out.... JUGS WINS
THE END!!
What you know of Juggernaut is irrelevant. The truth is very relevant. The truth is that Juggernaut is not invincible, or immune to physical harm, (I have proved it several times.) Marvel says that Juggernaut is not immune to damage. That means, regardless of what you think, he is not. As I said, Hulk has physically harmed Juggernaut, as has Onslaught. Hulk is stronger, and will eventually wear Juggernaut down. If you choose to ignore these facts, why even bother posting redundancies?
Both have "incalculable strength"
Both are "virtually indestructable"
Neither have any energy projection
Juggernaut has Normal speed.
Hulk can run 700 mph max.
Juggernaut has Typical intellegence.
Hulk has Superhuman Genius intellect.
Juggernaut has "Some training" in fighting.
Hulk is an "Experienced fighter"
Hulk beats or matches Juggernaut in every category. Your theory of Juggernaut beating Hulk rests solely on your false assumption that Juggernaut is immune to physical damage, even when his marvel.com profile clearly states that he has "exceptional resistance to injury." Get a clue, he's not immune to damage.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Actually Hulk destroyed his armor, basically defeating him. Hey, Juggernaut couldn't do it, could he?In Spiderman 19, a really old comic, Hulk was much, much weaker and less durable, and Doctor Octopus had indestructable adamantium arms. As I displayed in the picture, the recent Hulk knocked out Dr. Octopus with one finger.
Hulk can't outlast Juggernaut? Go to www.marvel.com and visit "marvel universe." You will see that Hulk is equally as durable as Juggernaut. Both are "virtually indestructable" according to the ability chart. In recent comics, no one has been able to defeat Hulk with brute force alone.
You keep saying what Hulk won't do to Juggernaut. What is Juggernaut going to do to Hulk, with his slow ass? Hulk is a hundred times faster than him. The thunderclap would do quite a bit of damage to Juggernaut, just as Banshee's sonic scream does. Hulk can hurt Juggernaut, and Hulk has hurt Juggernaut. Juggernaut is not immune to physical damage, and in the end, Hulk wins.
That was Professor Hulk in Spiderman 19.
Sure sure...I can go ahead and accept that what assnine writing went on in the Onslaught Arc....which resulted in all of Earth's superheroes being out of coninuity so that they could spend a year in Franklin's soccer ball.
But when the "oh so impressive" Hulk gets thoroughly beat to hell...."it's the weaker form" I supposed I should go looking for a time when War got beat in order to fit your approval.
What's Juggernaut's slow ass going to do to Hulk? Beat the crap out of him. Put him in a headlock and knock him out. Hulk DOES NOT dance circles around Juggernaut.
And if you're going to use some stupid comic card to back up your arguement, then by the same token...Juggernaut is now just as strong as Hulk. It's right there in the comics...7 vs 7.
Show us when Juggernaut was hurt by Hulk. If you're going to name IH 404, then you might as well read Thor 429 where Thor nullifies Jugg's forcefield and begins pummeling the hell out of him.....Juggernaut is still fine even though he gets assaulted so bad he can't defend himself.
Juggernaut has showed he's completely resilient to physical attacks throughout the characters history....the one time he's been knocked out is by Onslaught. Hulk and his "equal" durability has been knocked out by the likes of Doc Ock. Oh and of course Hulk beat Ock with a pinkie...he's still a human.
Originally posted by Tron
And for those that choose to rely on Marvel's scoring system (thinking Wolverine is stronger than Spider-Man), I believe Swank has a good little analogy on that involving Mary Jane.😉
We all know Cap and Wolverine are at peak human strength. But the Marvel.com rating has Wolverine at a 4 and Cap at a 3. Wolverine is at the same rating as Spiderman who we know is much stronger than Wolverine. On top of that, U.S. Warmachine is a 2. It couldn't be his unarmored form because Ironman's specs are off the charts. So are Doom's... but heck, Doom can do whatever he wants.
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeYou're such a stat stroker but you claim Juggernaut's "2" is hundreds of times slower than Hulk's "3"?
You keep saying what Hulk won't do to Juggernaut. What is Juggernaut going to do to Hulk, with his slow ass? Hulk is a hundred times faster than him. The thunderclap would do quite a bit of damage to Juggernaut, just as Banshee's sonic scream does. Hulk can hurt Juggernaut, and Hulk has hurt Juggernaut. Juggernaut is not immune to physical damage, and in the end, Hulk wins.
And you think Hulk claping his hands is going to generate the same hypersonic frequencies as Banshee's scream? Pishaw. You've lost your marbles.
If radiation can give a man infinite strength I wonder what a god can do?
Juggernaut is just as strong as Hulk, initially, until the fight begins. It is irrelevant if War Hulk got beaten, if it wasn't by Juggernaut. (When did he get beaten? He ripped off the armor after fighting the Absorbing Man and Juggernaut.)
Is anything that you disagree with that appears in a comic book awful writing? No Marvel writer has ever said that Juggernaut is immune to physical damage, so it is possible for him to be KOed by a punch. Hulk has never fought Juggernaut long enough to find out if Hulk can defeat him or not.
A Marvel 2 is hundreds of times slower than a Marvel 3. Normal Human speed is around 10-15 miles per hour, max. A marvel three is maximum speed 700mph. Pick up any marvel encyclopedia, stats are in the back. Cyttorak isn't even a god, it's a powerful magical entity. Wolverine doesn't have peak human strength, he can lift over 800lbs.
Hey I didn't make the characters, and I didn't make the ability chart, argue your point with the writers.
Did you see the part of the page that says Juggernaut has an "extraordinary degree of resistance to all forms of injury?"
* holy moly whats going on here lets clear some crap right up. juggie is no god, he has acces to SOME of cyttoraks potential power. hulk has access to ALL his, just through rage. cyttorak though hugely powerful is not regarded as infinite and hulks strength is infinite in potential. so to is his healing.
* doc oc, what the flipping burgers is he in here for. hulk has been embarrassed loads of times, why, well simply he is in oodles of comics, and as his strength and healing are either distinctly average or monumental in the writers hands we see some hiccups. juggie is not as prolific. u are ot gonna see the hulk who smashed onslught, who held up a mountain range, who smashed an asteroid, who beat glad, who has stood next to atomic explosions etc in every comic!!!!! hed never lose.hed just get as strong as is necassary every damn comic, and heal at just the right level not to be effected physically. hell even batman winded hulk once to feed him sleeping pills if we want to talk about silly writing.
* juggie is an exce;llent foe to your top level tough guys, howevrer the pro hulk argument seems to be that hulk can surpass when angry enough the amount of physical power that would be required to hurt juggie, yes above anyone b4 ( hes shown hes above most in the onslaught saga), yes more powerful than god force ( the power severely demoted when it had NO effect to juggie) but he has that potential. now if u want to argue hulk cant get there for a reason, ull be saying hell limit out at some point and thats not in his character.
hulkis the guy marvel have to get things done, ie whipping whoever needs an ass kicking, lets ope juggie doesnt stray into unpopulars ville.
*from what ive read juggie hasnt yet been ultimately tested physcally. the only fight with hulk that was conclusive, ie he looked beat up, was against war, and he had some ceestail powers, so u cant really look back at any previous hulk juggie fight to get anything other than controversy, clearly marvel arent quite ready for the ultimate showdown between these two.