Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Started by Swanky-Tuna486 pages

Originally posted by Tough Guy
theres never an agreement cos as soon as someonestop s the argument with some common sense, juggie fans go off on a tangentand keep going carefree of whatever might just be the logical solution to this battle
There's nothing logical about a 11 foot man who can walk on nothing and punch through dimensions or a similarly large green man who can't use pronouns and throw diamonds through the planet he's standing on.

If Hulk had not destroyed the armor, (no one else could do it,) Onslaught never would have been destroyed. Onslaught's armor withstood the attack of every other superhero on earth without a scratch or even the slightest weakening, and then Hulk tears the armor apart easily.

As I have said several times before, Juggernaut couldn't do it.

Hulk is much stronger than Thor, Thor admit's this himself in TIH Annual 2001. Thor did "dent" Juggernaut, he almost kicked his ass. One more punch would have defeated Juggernaut, but his forcefield came back, luckily. Hulk has broken through more powerful forcefields than the Juggernaut's.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
If the forcefield was the only thing that gave Juggernaut his durability, Thor would of caved Cain's head in.

If he had durability without the forcefield, How would Black Tom stab him? Even if he did have a degree of durability, it is obviously very low if Black Tom can stab him

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
As I said pages and pages ago, this fight will last as long as this thread. Forever.

It sure is. I think Hulk will win, but everyone is entitled to their own beliefs whether they be right, or utterly false.

swanky if ever i have recieved a more directionless retort its unbeknownst to me lol. what has that got to do with people time and again putting forward logical, rational, likely , realistic reasons why juggi would not be a victor less it be a very fortunate day for him. if u look back , especially at my posts you will see that have ovr and over again explained te background to this situation, omnly to see people carry on arguing their missinformed information over and over again, this is what im commenting on. again i will illustrate some facts
* war pummelled juggie, END
*prof hulk is not as powerful as savage or mindless, neither is grey hulk END
*hulk loses, sometimes to stupid charaters, this is as he is a more developed character with different stories his character has to facilitateEND
*juggie just has enormous durability END
* cyttorak is not the most powerful magic in mu, ( although very powerful) juggie only has acess to a fraction of this, dr strange too has access to this etc, juggie is basically using someone elses power.END
* hulk only has to get angry to access his limitless power END
* hulk is extremely durable ( in the main) probably as indestructable as juggie , only he heals.
there are countless more silly facts circulating out there but i cant now be bothered to list them all. im sure they will be thrown at me in due course

Marvel's heights are so inconsistant. Juggernaut always changes in size, and so does Hulk. One issue Hulks 7 feet tall, the next issue he's 17 feet tall. Marvel actually says Juggernaut is nine feet tall, but that's obviously wrong, as he towers drastically over the likes of Colossus, who's 6'6'.

I just like the sound of "11 feet"

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It sure is. I think Hulk will win, but everyone is entitled to their own beliefs whether they be right, or utterly false.
That's just all kinds of messed up.

I can't change the veiws of another, and everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. Beliefs however, don't change facts.

Question; why do you only respond to parts of my posts?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I can't change the veiws of another, and everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.
But to say someone's belief is wrong because it's not the same as yours is where all the stupid holy wars started.
Question; why do you only respond to parts of my posts?
Because I don't always feel the need to or want to reply to all parts. The less I say, the less you say, the sooner the thread sinks back down again. Frankly, I'm bored of it. Again.

Now if only Mainstream would not bump it with something as petty as "(coughing)Hu-lk(coughing)" as if the last word wins the debate.

I thought the comment about beliefs was diplomatic rather than inflammatory.

It really was.

If your beliefs of a character's abilities are not the same as those of the writers who created the character, you are wrong.

You seem to only answer the questions that are more convenient.

Is Juggernaut's mind his only weak point?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You seem to only answer the questions that are more convenient.
It is my nature to take it easy.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Is Juggernaut's mind his only weak point?
His mind, both telepathically and his less than genius IQ, sufficient magic, and I guess his speed would count but that goes the same for pretty much every big man.

So the only way to hurt Juggernaut is through telepathic attack, or magic, correct?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
So the only way to hurt Juggernaut is through telepathic attack, or magic, correct?
As far as I've seen. As with every jobber written to be a monster, there have been loopholes involving enchanted items and such.

that and horrible writing, Thats what really stops juggernaut

Now, a telepathic attack would not affect his Juggernaut's body, nor would it blast him several hundred miles away, would it?

Savagerampage,
If you say that everything you dissagree with is horrible writing, this will never get anywhere. Doctor Octopus defeating Hulk could be considered horrible writing. Juggernaut beating Thor when Thor has the Odinforce can be considered horrible writing.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Now, a telepathic attack would not affect his Juggernaut's body, nor would it blast him several hundred miles away, would it?
Not directly. He can be lifted by telekinesis as seen in X-Men #13 where he's still walking even though he's being levitated by Jean. It's obvious that he can be thrown against his will but it was also obvious that psionics were in effect on account of the memory blocks by Onslaught.

Edit: Well, I guess since telekinesis is a mental attack it would count as being able to be thrown hundreds of miles away.

Whoa, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves now. Let's go one step at a time. Jean's telekinesis did not physically hurt Juggernaut, did it?

Then let's speed it up to where I say Onslaught forced Cain to will his powers away again. I'm getting the Warcraft bug.

Let's take it slowly, so we can both have mutual understanding.

Telekinesis, (a power that Onslaught does not possess,) would not affect Juggernauts mind, his only weak point, would it?