Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Alright, if Hulk is truly limitless in strength then why can't he lift Thor's hammer?

And before you shoot back with your reason. The more important question is....why is it that Hulk can't lift Thor's hammer, yet it is being argued that through pure strength Hulk will be able to overpower the protection given to Juggernaut by the gem of Cytorrak?

Originally posted by K3VIL
Cause the Odin's power and the Asgardian Magic with which is imbued Mjolnir are above Cyttorak's energy in the Juggernaut.

says.who.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Alright, if Hulk is truly limitless in strength then why can't he lift Thor's hammer?

Magical enchantment; has nothing to do with physical strength. Kurt Busiek allowed Superman to lift it because Superman is "worthy" -- and I am guessing that is a reference to the purity of one's heart.

Guessing.

Oh let me clarify my reason for stating that Never.

It was argued that the Magical enchantment over Juggernaut could be "broken" by a sufficient enough physical strength.

It was just my attempt to nullify that arguement.

And Wonder Woman was able to perform the same feat in another crossover. For the same reasons....

Understood (and yeah, I think that is true regarding Juggs' enchantment being able to be "broken" physically), but they are different enchantments, yes?

I cannot recall Odin's enchantment verbatim, but it went something along the lines of "no unworthy individual shall lift Mjolnir." That was it, essentially. Here is an example from a bio:

"Odin bestowed various enchantments upon the hammer, including one that made it impossible for anyone to lift it except someone who was truly worthy of wielding it."

http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-thor.html

this still doesnt prove that hulk can physically hurt juggernaut. yes he can toss juggernaut and get as strong as he wants.but it aint gonna do nothing to him, he will simple get back up, and keep on getting up, hulk will eventually tire, and when that happens, he finished. Onslaught messed with juggs mind then tossed him, as his mind was messed up, but he was okay physically. also i went into my local comic shop today and picked up the marvel universe handbook from 1982 since im not sure if they have a new one. and it states that hulks strength when he is normal and calm is indeed 70 tons, it goes to 100 plus when starts getting angry. cause the abomination is actually more powerful then hulk when he starts off. But then again im looking over this handbook and man o man has marvel changed tons of things. For instances the heights and weights of people are all off. blob is 5'9 520lbs lol sabertooth is only 6'2 etc.

i have a couple of questions, just how tall is juggernaut and hulk, they list the hulk at 7'7 and juggernaut at 6'10, but how is that possible when collosus in armor form is 7'5 and juggs stands a good 3feet taller? some say both he and hulk are 8ft, i hear 10ft anyone know the actually height and weights?

Originally posted by savagerampage
this still doesnt prove that hulk can physically hurt juggernaut. yes he can toss juggernaut and get as strong as he wants.but it aint gonna do nothing to him, he will simple get back up, and keep on getting up, hulk will eventually tire, and when that happens, he finished.

Why do you assume Hulk will tire yet Juggernaut will keep returning for more?

cause juggernaut has infinite durability meaning he cant tire. hulks durability isnt infinite and he will run out eventually. also juggs cant be harmed physically by hulk, so every thing hulk dishes at him he will simply come back.

if its gonna be a normal fight like i mentioned before hulk will win all he has to do is toss juggernaut across a sea or something.
if its a fight to the death, juggernaut wins the fight

Neither would tire. Forever. And ever. And ever. And ever.

"cause juggernaut has infinite durability meaning he cant tire. hulks durability is infinite and he will run out eventually"

Anyone wanna make fun of this before I do? Anyone? No?

Ok.

*Points and laughs*

Bahahahahaha.

-AC

Originally posted by savagerampage
cause juggernaut has infinite durability meaning he cant tire. hulks durability is infinite and he will run out eventually.

So what? I can make 100 consecutive slices of toast but it doesn't mean I will.

Also you might like to note that the antonym of 'infinite' is 'finite', not 'infinite', which is, in fact, the same word.

Originally posted by savagerampage
this still doesnt prove that hulk can physically hurt juggernaut. yes he can toss juggernaut and get as strong as he wants.but it aint gonna do nothing to him, he will simple get back up, and keep on getting up, hulk will eventually tire, and when that happens, he finished. Onslaught messed with juggs mind then tossed him, as his mind was messed up, but he was okay physically. also i went into my local comic shop today and picked up the marvel universe handbook from 1982 since im not sure if they have a new one. and it states that hulks strength when he is normal and calm is indeed 70 tons, it goes to 100 plus when starts getting angry. cause the abomination is actually more powerful then hulk when he starts off. But then again im looking over this handbook and man o man has marvel changed tons of things. For instances the heights and weights of people are all off. blob is 5'9 520lbs lol sabertooth is only 6'2 etc.

i have a couple of questions, just how tall is juggernaut and hulk, they list the hulk at 7'7 and juggernaut at 6'10, but how is that possible when collosus in armor form is 7'5 and juggs stands a good 3feet taller? some say both he and hulk are 8ft, i hear 10ft anyone know the actually height and weights?

One, different artists draw them differently. Hulk is generally listed as 7'0".

Two, only one of Hulk's incarnations starts at 75 tons, and that is The Grey Hulk. Can't remember when Grey Hulk first appeared, but it was after 1982 -- and yes, things have changed quite a bit. By the way, is that the MU when John Byrne drew the Hulk? I lost that 🙁

Yes, Juggernaut can be hurt. Do not confuse "invulnerability" with being "invinceable." Big difference. Superman is invulnerable. Rogue is invulnerable. Neither is invinceable.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
So what? I can make 100 consecutive slices of toast but it doesn't mean I will.

yes juggernaut can be hurt, by psi powered attacks and magical forces of sufficient strength, hulk posses neither of those 2 powers so he cannot hurt the juggernaut.

yes it is the issue. It might be hard to find the original handbook, but if not they have a 12 issue comic that go from a-z and thats basically the handbook, and they might be easier to find

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Do it, man. I'll eat that toast.

Bear in mind the cooling factor. Think of a graph with 'Time made' on the Y axis, and 'Temperature' on the X axis.

There are 100 pieces of toast on that graph.

Think on.

I'm not above eatting cold toast.

Originally posted by savagerampage
yes juggernaut can be hurt, by psi powered attacks and magical forces of sufficient strength, hulk posses neither of those 2 powers so he cannot hurt the juggernaut.

"Besides giving him vast superhuman strength, the mystical energy of Cyttorak gives the Juggernaut an extraordinary degree of resistance to all forms of injury."

An extraordinary degree of resistance -- not immune to all physical attacks...so yes, Hulk can hurt Juggernaut. Not my opinion. Stated in his bio.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Alright, if Hulk is truly limitless in strength then why can't he lift Thor's hammer?

And before you shoot back with your reason. The more important question is....why is it that Hulk can't lift Thor's hammer, yet it is being argued that through pure strength Hulk will be able to overpower the protection given to Juggernaut by the gem of Cytorrak?

It is physically impossible to lift Mjolnir if you are unworthy. Thanos with the infinity power gem wouldn't be able to lift the hammer, unless he had magic sufficient to break that spell. Hulk has no magic. Actually, Hulk would have to be Mindless Hulk or super pissed to even try to lift Mjolnir, and he still probably couldn't do it. The only reason Superman lifted Mjolnir in a crossover is because he's a superpowered boyscout, of course he's worthy.

This is anything but "Hulk vs Juggernaut" related.

Surprisingly, Uncannyxmen.net updated Juggernaut's bio to mention he's stuck in Xorn's head. One of Juggernaut's secondary powers is to show up whenever he's needed from nowhere to either punch things or show how strong somebody is. Being in Xorn's head is the perfect place for this.

Originally posted by long pig
--nah, i do hate DC.--It's not that Doomsday is weak. It's just Surfer operates on a different level. If Superman and Doomsday were awesome soccer players, Surfer would be a guy with a shotgun, a pair of rocket skates, a knife, and a bionic arm that never got tired of stabbing. -kgkg

Actually his marvel.com bio says his only 2 vunerabilities are magic of sufficient strength, and psi- engery, so he is invunerable to everything, minus those 2 things.