Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
There's only one answer to this debate.Juggernaut is "hurtable". Whether this FACT is ignored or not, we have proven it.
Hulk will hurt him.
There's a 2nd debate.
Hulk has been suffocated by Juggernaut before.
Juggernaut can actually kill Hulk.
Savage....I believe he's refering to the Juggernaut What If? comic...
Originally posted by Linkalicious
There's no proof that he had his forcefield when blasted by the sentinel.In fact, if you look at Juggernaut's fights vs. Thor where the forcefield is CLEARLY visible.....then it's pretty safe to conclude Juggernaut didn't have his forcefield up.
We need Juggfan to make a cameo again in this thread to verify whether or not Juggs still even has a forcefield.
With the forcefield he has completley stopped a barrage of attacks from Thor, has stopped Thor's hammer from physically hitting him, and has continued forward momentum during a God Force blast.
Thor = Sentinel ? I don't think so...
and in the next panel Juggernaut admits to "playing opossum" and then thoroughly dismantles 2 sentinels while severly damaging a third. (later he destroys it)
Well that is, as you pointed out before, inconsistency.
Fact is, he can be hurt. He "admitted" to playing possum. I don't think I'd admit that I'd been hurt if I wanted everyone to think I couldn't be.
If it was a one on one fight with no if's and's or but's, Hulk would beat him because Juggernaut doesn't have what it takes to overcome a raging Hulk who's actually trying to beat him.
-AC
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It seems that talon00x and savagerampage are the only people in this thread who still believe Juggernaut cannot be hurt. Having the wind knocked out of you hurts. If Juggernaut cannot be hurt, why is he doubled over in pain? Why is he expressing pain on his face? If he is not feeling Hulk's punch, why is he exclaiming "UUUNNFF!!!" (instead of casually sighing, "ooof..."😉 Juggernaut can obviously be hurt. We have proven it. If you still don't believe it, it is simply because you do not want to believe it.
Yeah that is funny, But when Peter David (hulk writer) was asked flat out if Juggernaut was invulnerable and if the psychic backlash had been added specifically because the Hulk cannot damage him the quote was
"Well I was under the impression that the Juggernaut was indestructible. ...While nothing stops the Juggernaut,we know one thing that can: psychic attack."--Peter David
While you are too big of a fanboy to admit you are wrong about your pitiful attempt to claim juggernaut not invulnerable when even marvel says he is in fact invulnerable is very sad.
Hurting juggernaut with a physical attack is like saying hey im going to rub two ice cubes together and make a fire.
No matter how strong hulk gets he cant hurt him, like no matter how strong you are you cant drop a glass and make it go up instead of falling down.
Physical power is always outmatch by magic its the way it is. He withstood thors godforce, He was stripped of his flesh and organs just a skeleton moving with out muscles or anything else (magic powers the juggernaut, and the hate he has makes him a even more dangerous).
Now tell me this can hulk give out a punch more powerful than thors godforce? (a power that made galactus himself flee for his life) Could hulk survive without his organs and walk around as nothing accept a skeleton. I know what your going to say " But Hulk Smash crybaby "
I mean the guy threw punches with stonecutter that started causing earthquakes around them.
Hope this clears some stuff up and turns the gears in your brain that tells you hey im a fanboy that wants hulk to beat every single person he comes across. Until i see him rip Galactus's arm off and beat him with it hulk is just another hippie with a bleeding heart. box
You know where I stand so I'll clear this up for the (lost count) time for you kids.
Juggernaut is not unstoppable, he's not invulnerable without his shield.
That's all there is to it. He's been stopped, he's been hurt.
Secondly, you can sit there saying "No matter how strong Hulk gets he can't hurt Juggernaut". He has hurt him. What you got now? Nothing.
Hulk has beaten Thor. Juggernaut withstanding Thor's godforce was pathetic. You cannot get hurt by a sentinel, get hurt by a gut punch and then withstand the godforce. It's inconsistancy at it's worst.
That's the only reason Juggernaut is in this fight, coz he's messed up.
-AC
savagerampage war whooped juggie, end of story get over it.
* how do you know hulk cant get strong enough to hit harder than a god force blast
*tron how d you know hulk ant get strong enough to be too physically powerful for cyttorak to protect?
*alpha what difference have u made here, answer on a postcard please.
http://www.geocities.com/hp_space/guide.html
Perhaps this may help, God only knows what goes through your heads.
You only say juggernaut isnt unstoppble and isnt invunerable because it helps you and at the same time it makes you look like a fool.
Tell marvel they need to change there bios. Tell the writers when they make juggernaut do something right, like being able to withstand the godforce or knock out Generation x just by clapping his hands together you need to go and tell them they are making a mistake "because juggernaut isnt on hulks level because i said so" lol you guys are dumb
Originally posted by talon00x
Yeah that is funny, But when Peter David (hulk writer) was asked flat out if Juggernaut was invulnerable and if the psychic backlash had been added specifically because the Hulk cannot damage him the quote was"Well I was under the impression that the Juggernaut was indestructible. ...While nothing stops the Juggernaut,we know one thing that can: psychic attack."--Peter David
While you are too big of a fanboy to admit you are wrong about your pitiful attempt to claim juggernaut not invulnerable when even marvel says he is in fact invulnerable is very sad.
Hurting juggernaut with a physical attack is like saying hey im going to rub two ice cubes together and make a fire.
No matter how strong hulk gets he cant hurt him, like no matter how strong you are you cant drop a glass and make it go up instead of falling down.
Physical power is always outmatch by magic its the way it is. He withstood thors godforce, He was stripped of his flesh and organs just a skeleton moving with out muscles or anything else (magic powers the juggernaut, and the hate he has makes him a even more dangerous).
Now tell me this can hulk give out a punch more powerful than thors godforce? (a power that made galactus himself flee for his life) Could hulk survive without his organs and walk around as nothing accept a skeleton. I know what your going to say " But Hulk Smash crybaby "
I mean the guy threw punches with stonecutter that started causing earthquakes around them.
Hope this clears some stuff up and turns the gears in your brain that tells you hey im a fanboy that wants hulk to beat every single person he comes across. Until i see him rip Galactus's arm off and beat him with it hulk is just another hippie with a bleeding heart. box
First of all, I do not believe that Hulk can beat Galactus, or the even the Silver Surfer, for that matter. You (and savage rampage) are the only people overestimating the Juggernaut. Juggernaut certainly couldn't defeat Galactus. He couldn't even defeat Onslaught, (who was destroyed by Hulk.)
As I have said, read the f*cking comic book Hulk# 404. Regardless of what alleged Peter David quote you post, Juggernaut was knocked out before the backlash hit. It's an undeniable fact. Stop being a fanboy, and own up. You are wrong; Juggernaut can be hurt.
Wanna quote Marvel?
"The Juggernaut possesses untold power, mystical in nature, which enhances his strength and grants him an extraordinary degree of resistance to all forms of injury."
Resistance to injury, not immunity, or total invulnerability. Please, don't confuse invulnerability to physical invincibility. Juggernaut has been hurt time and time again. Black Tom has stabbed him, Hulk has knocked him out, Sentinels have demolished him, ect.
No, Juggernaut could not choke out the savage Hulk, who can hold his breath for days on end, and has regenerated from being reduced to a skeleton, as well as being atomized by the gamma bomb. Besides, Hulk starts off stronger than Juggernaut, so what's to stop him trom pulling Juggernaut off of him as he usually does, and throwing him elsewhere? When Juggernaut regenerated from a skeleton, it really wasn't Cain at all. It was Cyttorak in Juggernaut's form. Cain himself cannot regenerate. He spent weeks in the X-Mansion recouping from his assault by Black Tom.
Whether Juggernaut had his force field or not is irrelevant and debatable as well. The force field does not give Juggernaut his invulnerability, it repells attack to a certain extent. Did the writers ever specifically say "Juggernaut doesn't have his force field," or anything of the sort? If not, logic will tell you that his abilities were intact.
We have proven several times that Juggernaut can be hurt. "No, he only knocked the breath out of him!" First of all, how does the breath get knocked out of you if you don't breathe? "You'd flinch too if it happened to you!" Excuses, excuses. Explain why Juggernaut is slumped over, knocked out, before the backlash hits in Hulk 404.
Originally posted by talon00x
http://www.geocities.com/hp_space/guide.htmlPerhaps this may help, God only knows what goes through your heads.
You only say juggernaut isnt unstoppble and isnt invunerable because it helps you and at the same time it makes you look like a fool.
Tell marvel they need to change there bios. Tell the writers when they make juggernaut do something right, like being able to withstand the godforce or knock out Generation x just by clapping his hands together you need to go and tell them they are making a mistake "because juggernaut isnt on hulks level because i said so" lol you guys are dumb
You apparently, are dumb. I've provided substantial evidence proving that Juggernaut is not immune to damage. I am not saying that he is not a match for Hulk, or that he isn't powerful. I am only saying and PROVING that Juggernaut is NOT immune to damage. If you continue to disacknowledge the evidence, and continue ranting on about Juggernaut's power, you are only being a fanboy.
We're not talking about the battles in which Hulk was defeated by physical force, we're talking about the times Juggernaut was overcome by physical force alone. All I ask is that you explain why Juggernaut has been physically hurt by Hulk, Onslaught, Sentinels, ect. or admit to the fact that he is not immune to physical damage.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
There's a 2nd debate.Hulk has been suffocated by Juggernaut before.
Juggernaut can actually kill Hulk.
Savage....I believe he's refering to the Juggernaut What If? comic...
In what issue has Juggernaut suffocated Hulk. Hulk's healing factor does not allow him to "die," through any physical means. If you chop off Hulk's head, it will grow back (though it would be nearly im. He has survived being reduced to a skeleton with no fital organs. No brain, no heart, no lungs, no nothing. He has regenerated from being reduced to gamma irradiated molecules. Deprivation of oxygen will not kill him. As long as Hulk has gamma radiation in him, he will stay alive. The Maestro has even said "Death doesn't mean the same thing for us. I have found that no matter what happens, we always come back." Maestro broke Hulk's neck. It healed in seconds. Nothing Juggernaut could do would kill Hulk.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
First of all, I do not believe that Hulk can beat Galactus, or the even the Silver Surfer, for that matter. You (and savage rampage) are the only people overestimating the Juggernaut. Juggernaut certainly couldn't defeat Galactus. He couldn't even defeat Onslaught, (who was destroyed by Hulk.)
*sigh* You must of misunderstood my post (like most people do). And it was my fault i wasnt clear. I meant I wont believe hulk has unlimited strengh untill he rips off Galactus arm and beat him with it. As in I dont think he has unlimited strength 😉
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK why do you think having the air knocked out of you is painfull? Making a noise when hit means you feel pain? Ok i hit you as hard as i can with a pillow you make a sound you felt pain?
Galactus would obliterate Hulk before he could think about touching him, so that is an impossible task. Hulk's strength is unlimited. He's bent adamantium, destroyed Onslaught's armor when the combined might of the world's heroes (including Juggernaut,) could not scratch it. He threw the infinity soul gem to the center of the planet. He overcame the matter-antimatter attraction, an impossible, physics defying feat. Can Juggernaut do any of these? Hell no.
Say... Can Juggernaut can take a punch from Galactus?
You cannot knock the wind out of someone by hitting them with the pillow. If I knock the wind out of you with a solid punch, you will feel pain. IF I AM IMMUNE TO PHYSICAL DAMAGE (e.g. having the wind knocked out of me,) AND CANNOT FEEL PAIN, NO; I WILL NOT MAKE A NOISE IF I AM HIT BY A PILLOW. If I am immune to physical damage, you will not be able to knock the wind out of me, much less affect me at all. Damn, you guys are retarded. What about when that chick was hitting Juggernaut in pressure points. He sure felt that.
after much thought .
this is like the second time ive changed my mind here....just too much BS to sort through. I had to stop believing what i was told and do some detective work on my own
IF we could start over and make it all PRE onslaught then i must say jugs will win.
post onslaught jugs has become fagafied...i dunno wtf is up with him now...
but pre O he WAS unstoppable (against mortals) and unable to be hurt by physical means (by mortals).
pre O hulk vs pre O juggs.
jugs power is given to him by a god...hulks power is only an accident from earth...so IMO GODS>EARTHREALM ACCIDENTS.
of course this has been said before but im settled into my new found theory and i do believe im right.
the incosistencies of jugs are all due to plot managment of the O saga.
The dispute of weither he feels pain when saying "oof!" or not i see thusly....when air is pushed out of lungs it will cause the vocal cords to vibrate making a noise being punched by someone like hulk would knock the air out of most anyone. Juggs HAS to inhale air to talk.....
he doesnt need air to live...but to talk, yes.
Someone said that if air is pushed out of your lungs it means you felt pain....no...it means air has been pushed our of your lungs by a force stronger than your lungs i.e hulks fist. Hulk can become much stronger than Jugs but unless he can bypass the work of a God then he will never "beat" the juggernaught. Jugs on the other hand CAN beat hulk.
ok there it is...hopefully ive not made things worse.
dont bust my balls over spelling and grammer...cuz i admit i dunno where the hell a comma or whatever goes.🙂
* ha ha ha ha how many times. previous comic exploits arent gonna help here guys lol. comics are written too inconsistant, and anyway there are so many hulk versions written at so many different powerlevels well be here all eternity. jugs too is written inconsistantly as ive said b4 why would u write a unharmable being having a forcefie;ld? i mean hardly the first thing youd think he needs lol.
the fact is hulk is marvels top powerhouse thats how he was written and he'll always, if required, have the strength to do , well pretty much anything thats needed, hence his unlimited strength potential. he will also be shown vulnerable ( hence the fights hes lost to guys nowhere near his brute power) as this makes him more of a sympathetic character. this mean its well within hulks ability to hurt juggie, ( yes even if godly cyttorak is powering him), and smash planetoids, lift mountain ranges etc. juggies huge durability is just another challenge that hulk naturally can achieve if sufficiently angered.
* peter david seems to be making up his own characteristics here, did he not say juggie is stronger than hulk????? so we have numbers beyond limitless now do we???
* hulk is also indestructable, he has regenerated from nothing , withstood atomic blasts, and taken mojlner battering him many times. he also comes back much stronger
* tron that site is no more than i could knock up to say hulk should be written doing this or that.
just a thought but if war hulk siphoned 2 universes of energy at will wouldnt that make him marvels most powerful hero ever??????? who else calls upon 2 universes of power, and by that does that mean he has a limit, and if he does does that mean normal savage hulk with no limit is stronger than war, and........ i think ive confused myself
Pre-Onslaught Juggernaut? He got hurt too.
Actually, the comic we were debating, Hulk 404 (1993,) was published years before the Onslaught saga (1996.) So no, Juggernaut wasn't "fagified, he was never immune to physical damage. It was merely an assumption.
To argue talon00x's point, until Juggernaut takes a punch from Galactus and begins to giggle, he is not immune to physical damage.
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