Originally posted by SUPERMANDAMAN
Hulks stats are better and even if juggernaut some how manage to catch hulk since hulk can run circles around juggernaut hulk would just heal up since he does have a healing factor stronger than that of wolverines.
you have such a big hulk-beats-juggernaut-fixation it's not even funny. even if you were basing the outcome of the fight on healing factor, juggernaut has one too. even more so than the hulk does. juggernaut had his eyes cut out, and was they grew back in the next consecutive panel.
17 PAGES HAHAHAHAHAH. i love it. these two would make a bunch of money in a battle to the death comic written well.
I like to believe that Hulk would win cause i'm biased. But that's until I've seen that the skeleton Juggernaut was still going. in some link here. Now if you take that fact with the fact that Hulk has been rendered immobile with a broken neck by Maestro<sp> i'd say Juggy would have advantage, if that writter hasnt been fired yet ^_^.
But then again Hulk doesnt really need to fight Jug, anytime he wanted to regroup himself(not that he would being all "hulk smash hulk bash"😉 all he have to do was take two leaps and Juggernaunt would have to walk to him at the very slow "unstoppable" pace.
But then again I saw Hulk clench grab into jug's helmut and swing him into a mountain. (i think jugg's helmut must be a metal slightly weaker than adamentium cause wolvie's sliced it off a bunch of times,hehe maybe only once, but he did do it). This proeves that everything you hear people say isnt nessicarily true such as "unbreakable amour" "unstoppable" admittly even "Hulk is strongest".
Anyway in one issue of a hulk comic everybody was after the hulk it was a very histerical comic.this is a breif storyline.
[Hulk happens to end up in court.the story: hulk has to fend off a case that says he causes havoc and destruction everywhere he goes but hulk explains that he doesn look for trouble trouble finds him..later this is proven when the courtroom is burst in from a bunch of superguys, including ole Jughead who feels compelled to prove themselves strong by beating up the hulk]. So who wants to prove themselves more? Hulk or Juggy? Juggy's a very strong bulley, Hulk wants to be left alone. and since Bullies << people who mind their own damned buisness. hulk should win
ok i know this was a ramble but you should've seen where Hulk beats in Juggernaunt's head with his own helmut. you would've laughed your ass off. 😄
v-Q (Hulkfan for life)
u have some interesting opinions there, yea i think the most important thing is Hulk is better (or that WE like him better) cuz he is an anti-hero who jus happens to get into trouble, not some criminal who is controlled by his carnal desires, and who is also a coward...not physically weak, just mentally..."all he have to do was take two leaps and Juggernaunt would have to walk to him at the very slow "unstoppable" pace. " hahahaha...
about Jugfan's comment....what was with that skeleton, his skull was in the shape of a Juggernaut helmet, im not sure, but when Jugs takes off his helmet he doesnt have deformed triangle that appears to be elephantitis of the head, does he?...thus i dont think that was a skeleton, i dont even think it was reality, considering the true nature of D'Spayre's powers, which are not exceptionally powerful, they can destort reality, but scorch the felsh from Jugs? hmm many people who r far more powerful than D'spayre have tried that and failed...Jugs does not have a superior healing factor, I havent read the issue where Shatterstar cut his eyes, I have seen NightCrawler burn them... i will just take ur word for it....I have seen Hulk heal from having all the flesh "repelled" off his body by Vector, which only took a couple seconds to heal from...or how about when he got his stomach sliced open and when he cought his guts, his hand got cought inside because he healed around it that fast...Nimrod has proved that Jugs brain is vulnerable to the physical, yet there is no proof he would heal from a brain injury....but oh well, we have argued about this 20 times now, we both know we will always disagree about these guys
Originally posted by Wynndar
u have some interesting opinions there, yea i think the most important thing is Hulk is better (or that WE like him better) cuz he is an anti-hero who jus happens to get into trouble, not some criminal who is controlled by his carnal desires, and who is also a coward...not physically weak, just mentally..."all he have to do was take two leaps and Juggernaunt would have to walk to him at the very slow "unstoppable" pace. " hahahaha...about Jugfan's comment....what was with that skeleton, his skull was in the shape of a Juggernaut helmet, im not sure, but when Jugs takes off his helmet he doesnt have deformed triangle that appears to be elephantitis of the head, does he?...thus i dont think that was a skeleton, i dont even think it was reality, considering the true nature of D'Spayre's powers, which are not exceptionally powerful, they can destort reality, but scorch the felsh from Jugs? hmm many people who r far more powerful than D'spayre have tried that and failed...Jugs does not have a superior healing factor, I havent read the issue where Shatterstar cut his eyes, I have seen NightCrawler burn them... i will just take ur word for it....I have seen Hulk heal from having all the flesh "repelled" off his body by Vector, which only took a couple seconds to heal from...or how about when he got his stomach sliced open and when he cought his guts, his hand got cought inside because he healed around it that fast...Nimrod has proved that Jugs brain is vulnerable to the physical, yet there is no proof he would heal from a brain injury....but oh well, we have argued about this 20 times now, we both know we will always disagree about these guys
oh man..... about d'spayres power. he wasn't using his power against juggernaut to dissolve his flesh. he was using the crimson bands of cyttorak against juggernaut. he feasted on cains soul. and to feast on cains soul is to feat on the power of the ruby itself. one way to beat juggernaut is to use his own power against him. which is what d'spayre did. he drained juggernaut of nearly all his power. THEN he stripped him down to the bone. which proved incapable of subdue-ing him even then. d'spayre also said "the fabric of reality is mine to control" while using juggernaut's power. can hulk really contend with that?? do you want an issue number to shatterstar cutting juggernauts eyes out? all you gotta do is ask, and you no longer have to take my word for it, you can read it yourself.
if this fight had to come down to brute stength(which it probally would) it wouldnt be a one hit fight. were talkin about blow after blow after blow of consecutive pain. thats why i wouldnt take juggy. he may very well be stronger in the begining of the fight, but it wouldnt take long before hulk got strong enough to physically overpower juggernaut.
Originally posted by moshtitan
if this fight had to come down to brute stength(which it probally would) it wouldnt be a one hit fight. were talkin about blow after blow after blow of consecutive pain. thats why i wouldnt take juggy. he may very well be stronger in the begining of the fight, but it wouldnt take long before hulk got strong enough to physically overpower juggernaut.
well by your reasoning, you should have to pick juggernaut. because no matter how strong hulk get's he will never be able to physically hurt juggernaut, whereas juggernaut's blows could hurt hulk straight up physical confrontation by extension of saying it would be "blows" that is the deciding factor you should have to favor the one that can't be physically beaten (juggernaut) over the one that can (hulk). also, it WOULD take hulk a very long time to match juggernauts strength. he had been rampaging for nearly 2 days in hulk 172 and still proved in-capable of overpowering hulk as you say. he was further enraged by fighting an army batallion, and then further yet by witnessing juggernaut trying to kill an innocent family passing by. all the while juggernaut proved to be his at the very least equal in terms of physical strength.
Since hulks gets stronger as he get's angrier would he start this fight strong enough to fight juggernaut. I'vr read where juggernault used his energy sheild to punch a tank that was thrown at him. It seems juggernault starts out at full strength and hulk would have to get smacked around for a little while in order to stand a chance.
i have no problem with about taking your word for it....im not going to find the issue and read (unless i have rouble sleeping tonight)...it is totally understandable for that to have happened...u didnt address the shape of the Juggernaut "skeleton's" skull though...and no..Jugs still doesnt start out stronger than hulk...u need to show me an instance where the Hulk was not strong enough to do something..."oh shit, I cant lift this 101 ton object cuz im not mad enough" Hulk is stronger than Jugs...Jugs is virtually unstoppable and invulnerable, but not the strongest guy around...the Hulk is strong enough to leap into space, yet Jugs weighs less and cant use this means of transportation..he just walks really slow and unstoppable....great leapers: Hulk, Doomsday, Count Nefaria, Abomination....I already know your going to say Jugs leg muscle's r not as developed as Hulks...yet his arms, chest, and back muscles would be?...these guys dont get their strength from working out man...If one half of Hulks muscles (his lower body) r stronger, then his whole body probably is...and the fight with D'Spayre wasnt reality, thats why he had the triangular skull...Jugs has no healing ability....thats why Onslought, then Bishop laid him out
i was under the impression that juggernaut was at his zenith of strength at all times. But hulk only gets stronger when he gets angry and i'm not questioning anybodies leapin ability. Hell someone going to type that juggernauts armor is too heavy to jump and thats going to be bull. Has anybody ever seen juggernaut jump or even hop
Originally posted by JuggernautFan
well by your reasoning, you should have to pick juggernaut. because no matter how strong hulk get's he will never be able to physically hurt juggernaut, whereas juggernaut's blows could hurt hulk straight up physical confrontation by extension of saying it would be "blows" that is the deciding factor you should have to favor the one that can't be physically beaten (juggernaut) over the one that can (hulk). also, it WOULD take hulk a very long time to match juggernauts strength. he had been rampaging for nearly 2 days in hulk 172 and still proved in-capable of overpowering hulk as you say. he was further enraged by fighting an army batallion, and then further yet by witnessing juggernaut trying to kill an innocent family passing by. all the while juggernaut proved to be his at the very least equal in terms of physical strength.
first of all i understand where your coming from, and respect your input, but with hulks healing factor, he might as well be considered invulnerable. im not saying hulk wouldnt get hurt, but all he would have to do is avoid juggs for a couple of seconds, and then continue his assault. after thinking about it, i really dont see a winner, just the entire world being leveled, which could very well happen.
Originally posted by moshtitan
first of all i understand where your coming from, and respect your input, but with hulks healing factor, he might as well be considered invulnerable. im not saying hulk wouldnt get hurt, but all he would have to do is avoid juggs for a couple of seconds, and then continue his assault. after thinking about it, i really dont see a winner, just the entire world being leveled, which could very well happen.
well still, if your arguement is healing factor then you should still be leaning towards juggernaut. his healing factor (when used under xtreme circumstances) healed him near instantly. plus, juggernaut was beating on hulk so fast in hulk 402 that his healing factor couldn't keep up. hulks thoughts.......... "not giving me time to recover". so much for the healing factor being a factor at all.
I find it quite amusing that it's gone on this long to be perfectly honest. Let me wrap it up for all who seem to be getting a little baffled here.
Juggernaut is extremely strong and has invulnerability to a high degree.
Hulk has no limit to his strength and has invulnerability to the highest degree, unmatched endurance and a healing factor greater than that of Wolverine's. Let's also not forget he has agility to rival the likes of Daredevil.
All Hulk would have to do is get Juggernaut's helmet off. Even if he didn't do that, he could batter him within an inch of his life just out of sheer force.
Abomination would take out Juggernaut without too much trouble and Hulk beat Abomination in about 8 minutes. He even landed a few punches on him as Bruce Banner. So how you are saying Juggernaut would win is stupid.
Returning to the healing factor issue, Juggernaut may very well test it but even with that all Hulk would have to do is get pushed to the point where he gets pissed off. His healing would accelerate to a necessary speed and he would get even bigger and stronger. The harder Juggernaut fights the less chance he has to win. However, allow me to shoot your healing debate out of the sky.
Trauma shot Hulk with a ray gun capable of punching a hole through the Earth. Hulk literally said something along the lines of "That's gonna itch". Now, all Juggernaut has is fists and if Trauma's ray did nothing then Juggernaut would pretty much be left quadri-spaz on a life glug.
-AC
Originally posted by JuggernautFan
well still, if your arguement is healing factor then you should still be leaning towards juggernaut. his healing factor (when used under xtreme circumstances) healed him near instantly. plus, juggernaut was beating on hulk so fast in hulk 402 that his healing factor couldn't keep up. hulks thoughts.......... "not giving me time to recover". so much for the healing factor being a factor at all.
wat i was saying is, that hulks is most definitley fast enough to avoid juggernaut either by leaping away or by simply running(i doubt hulk would ever do this but this is in ex.) away long enough to allow his healing factor to work. im also going to withdraw from picking a winner, as i feel this will never have a clear cut victor, as its split between jugg fans and hulk fans , and since the combatants are so closley matched to such a high degree, this topic might run forever.
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Originally posted by Alpha CentauriTrauma shot Hulk with a ray gun capable of punching a hole through the Earth. Hulk literally said something along the lines of "That's gonna itch". Now, all Juggernaut has is fists and if Trauma's ray did nothing then Juggernaut would pretty much be left quadri-spaz on a life glug.
-AC [/B]