Juggernaut is invincible. He cannot be killed, starved, supphocated, beaten to death, nothing. The hulk requires energy. When juggey cannot be exhausted, cant be stopped. If this is a plain battle of Juggey and hulk, juggey would fight until the pancakes banner ate that morning are depleted, and he runs out of food. Juggey would fight him for a couple days straight probably, hulk would get tired, hed be hungry, hed turn back into bruce, and its lights... out. Juggernaut reings supreme in this one.
Originally posted by IRTMU-Dragon
Juggernaut is invincible. He cannot be killed, starved, supphocated, beaten to death, nothing. The hulk requires energy. When juggey cannot be exhausted, cant be stopped. If this is a plain battle of Juggey and hulk, juggey would fight until the pancakes banner ate that morning are depleted, and he runs out of food. Juggey would fight him for a couple days straight probably, hulk would get tired, hed be hungry, hed turn back into bruce, and its lights... out. Juggernaut reings supreme in this one.
He cannot be killed, starved, SUFFOCATED or beaten to death huh? Funny that. Coz I swear all he has to do is lose his helmet and get smacked in the cranium to send him home to his mother.
Thor has whooped him, Vision nearly killed him. Hulk has taken Thor's hammer blow to the face and just laughed. Juggernaut can be killed so its an outrageous claim that you say he cannot.
As for Hulk needing energy, the only way he'd become Banner is if he calmed down...which wouldn't happen. As his rage gets more prolific his endurance and stamina increase. Juggernaut could fight him but he wouldn't win and it's blatant. So take your oversized sardine can on steroids and look at the facts.
-AC
LOL... You dont know CRAP about juggey these days then. JUGGEY STAYS JUGGEY, so long as he has made the transformation with the book and the stone. LOL.
Alpha, you really opened up a ton of can of whoopass when you dont know crap either. HE IS INVINCIBLE, HE CANT BE HURT, KILLED OR ANYTHING BUDDY. Now, with his helmet off the only thing hes open to is psionic attacks, thats it. He is still juggernaut.
Vision almost killed him? KILLED? No. He beat the crap out of him, but he cant die! Dude, dont tell me to think, when you dont know CRAP. And, if hulk keeps on going for like a week straight, HE WILL tire, to the point of exhaustion, and he'll go back to banner.
So, as you were saying. Juggernaut can be killed. How? If were talking about good ol juggey VS hulk, and hulk has no psionic attack, how would he kill juggey? Lets hear it. tell me how he could even touch him. Because juggernaut is invincible. INVINCIBLE. Now juggey isnt even damaed by pysical attacks with his helmet off. He still stays juggey with the book and the stone. DUDE, You tottally bought way to much ownage, way to quick man, better put some of that away.
Cause you dont know jack shit, to be tearing my head off.
Definatley. It would take a long time yes, but... AS I FREGGIN WROTE MY ARMS OUT UP THERE, Juggernaut is UNSTOPPABLE! The cyotorak gem is from another dimension, tottally out of boundaries of beyonder or the living tribunal, its magic even blocks out tribunal from him, because its from another dimension no one in marvel universe controls!
Get this mr. AC...
Tell me, Can the hulk stop someone who possesses untold power, mystical in nature, which enhances his strength to an as yet unknown degree and makes him a seemingly irresistible, unstoppable being. Once he begins to walk in a certain direction, no obstacle or force on Earth has been observed to be able to stop him. Apparently, only he can stop himself. Some obstacles (many tons of rock, for example) or forces (such as plasma-discharge cannons) may slow his pace considerably, but nothing has yet stopped him permanently from advancing.
I aint done! Besides giving him vast superhuman strength, the mystical energy of Cyttorak gives the Juggernaut an extraordinary degree of resistance to all forms of injury. The Juggernaut can shield himself even further from injury by mentally surrounding himself with a force field. Enveloped by his force field, the Juggernaut has survived the fiery explosion of a truck transporting a huge quantity of oil without any injury whatsoever.
The Juggernaut can survive indefinitely without food, water, or oxygen. He is sustained by his mystical energies alone. Also, the magic in his blood makes it so he is resistant to poison, disease, fumes, mind control, even to some degree, psionic attacks.
In the past the Juggernaut has temporarily possessed telepathic abilities and certain mystical powers, all of which he has since lost.
Also, he has gotten to a level such before, whereas he can punch, litterily, into other dimensions, and to where his force field can even block out psionic attacks from xavier even without his helmet on.
Yo, get this, Juggey posses class 100 strength enabling him to lift (press) over 100 tons. The Juggernaut is said to be unstoppable, and the upper limit to his strength is not known, however, once, he did manage to ruin the string theory, and lift the weight of an entire dimension through the cytorak gem's full power.
Originally posted by IRTMU-Dragon
Get this mr. AC...Tell me, Can the hulk stop someone who possesses untold power, mystical in nature, which enhances his strength to an as yet unknown degree and makes him a seemingly irresistible, unstoppable being. Once he begins to walk in a certain direction, no obstacle or force on Earth has been observed to be able to stop him. Apparently, only he can stop himself. Some obstacles (many tons of rock, for example) or forces (such as plasma-discharge cannons) may slow his pace considerably, but nothing has yet stopped him permanently from advancing.
hmmm...so i take it uve never read many Hulk Jugs battles, Hulk knocked him out with a psychic backlash produced by thinking about his father...the War simply kicked his ass....totally stoped him....jugs was running and screaming "nothing can stop the Juger...huh?" *Hulk stops Juggernaut and throws him a couple miles and Jugs lands in a mosque*...hulk keeps dominating him, then removes his helmet and prepares to cut off his head....Jugs was no match and would have died if Absorbingman hadnt saved him
By the way, your theory about the pancakes was ridiculous...do u think the Hulk ate 1200lbs of pancakes to gain that weight from banner....oh thats because the source of Hulks strength is a theorhetical pocket dimension that contains his power and his mass...thats why he goes from a 100lbs banner to a 1200lbs Hulk without eating any pancakes, or irradiates enough heat to melt container meant to hold a nuclear explosion
and what were u saying about Cytorak being independent from the Tribunal because he is in his own dimension...this is another dimension but it doesnt make Jugs invulnerable to anything in this universe...isnt Asgard in another dimension, how about Dormamu, Mephisto...all in other dimensions but they r not totally invinible to anything in the mainstream universe, certainly not invincible to the Tribunal
Methinks I hit a nerve.
If you will get off your knees and stop sucking Juggernaut off for a minute. You may see sense. I thought you were holding up a reasonable argument until you said Hulk couldn't even touch Juggernaut. You really are rather silly. I take it you don't read Hulk comics. Remember the fight with Abomination? Yes? Well if you rewind your brain for a minute you'll remember that Hulk said he hadn't even reached his full potential in all these years and that if he were to lose control and completely unleash some of his untold anger, he could knock the Earth off orbit.
I doubt "Juggey" could do that. Well, we all know he couldn't. I'm not debating as a Hulk fan just rooting for Hulk coz I like him. It's just fact. I like Juggernaut, he's the man. Yet it's fairly plain to see that Hulk could beat him regardless of how long it took.
He lifted a dimension through the power of the gem....yes? That is exactly what I am saying. You say Hulk needs energy, Juggernaut needs the gem. Without the gem he's Melvin Eugene Punyschwester. Without sustinence Banner is still Hulk. He needs nothing but to be pissed off.
"Once he begins to walk in a certain direction, no obstacle or force on Earth has been observed to be able to stop him."
Proving my point. You clearly get your ammo for debate from the back of trump cards and marvel fansites. I'm going by comic history. Lets just look at enemies and tallys here. Juggernaut has been halted by the X-Men. Spider-Man has taken out the X-Men before. Says alot about Mr.Unstoppable doesn't it?
As for him only being vulnerable to psionic attack when his helmet is off. Hmm, I don't think one of Hulk's punches to the head would just glance off him. Let's not be silly now. The thing that makes me laugh is this isn't even a debate. My facts far outweigh yours. You are just a fan backing up your favourite character. I'm speaking truth.
Hulk is immune to all known diseases including AIDS. Hulk has NO limits to his strength and needs no other catalyst than anger to get him there eg: The Cytorakk Gem that Jug needs. He can lift in one go, hundreds of billions of tons. We see that in the Secret Wars. He has a healing factor that is faster than any other persons. He is COMPLETELY IMMUNE to psionic attack no matter what because he has Multiple Personality Disorder. He has agility beyond anyone else, capable of leaping into space with one leap. On top of that, he is invulnerable to extremely high amounts of physical abuse.
"Enveloped by his force field, the Juggernaut has survived the fiery explosion of a truck transporting a huge quantity of oil without any injury whatsoever."
A truck explosion? Dude, Hulk has taken an atomic warhead to his skull and shrugged it off. I doubt he'd even feel a truck explosion. You say Juggernaut is immune to mind control? Wrong. I've seen Jean Grey take him out of commission many times with her mental powers. Professor X too. Man, Juggernaut gets halted by a man in a wheelchair. How is he going to REIGN SUPREME over The Incredible Hulk?! Do you realise how faulty your debate is?
End of story.
You continue to shine the helmet of your boy. I'll stick to the facts.
-AC
Hell yea, hulk beat the shit out of juggey. But are we talking about old hulk and juggey? Or hulk and juggey. Because Ive stuck straight to the freggin facts, go check www.marveldirectory.com.
And dude, you ddint even begin to read all my post... did you... Cause with his helmet off, HE STILL IS THE HULK, IT DOESNT MEAN SHIT, HES JUST JUGGEY WITHOUT HIS HELMET.
First of all, hows hulk gonna get to the gem? Hulk may have taken an atomic warhead to his skull and shrugged it off... But juggey doesnt even need to take the warhead with his skull. His force field will do that for him.
And arent we talking about who would win? Not who beats up who? Ovbiously you dont know that juggey is invincible... I love the hulk too, and sure, the hulk could murderosly beat the shit of juggey... So? What would that change? Why does it matter how much strength the hulk has? He cant kill him. Its impossible to kill juggernaut. Sure, he gets his ass handed to him... But... Why does that matter. Hulk would be busy tearing him a new ass, but you dont really tear new ass's unless it hurts the person.
Dude, I completely understand where your coming from, But you dont know juggernaut enough. Hes INVINCIBLE. The gem of cytorak... makes him invincible.
Dude, hes just invincible. He cant be killed, or stopped. He... You dont understand I really cant explain it.
That crack about hulk needing no outside influecne, he can just get strong, it takes him to get mad. Juggey just taps in, and hes there.
juggernaut cannot sustain any damage what so ever, now that hes not affected by his helmet being taken off, his hulk punches him there, hed just fall back. Hed get back up, get slammed again, repeat, repeat, repeat. Juggey cant die from anything, the magic energies keep him alive...
As ive said, hes invincible, he CANNOT be killed, or Knocked out. He cannot be physically exhausted either. Go to marveldirectory and read up about juggey, cause I know about hulk, and juggey.
Dude dont get mad, Cause really, hes just plain, unstoppable. Ya didnt hit a nerve, you dont just understand when I say hes unstoppable. I dont know any other way to put it... He can get the shit knocked out him, he can get beaten, supphocated, starved, exhausted, thrown, slammed, smashed, bashed, crashed, slapped, molested.
But hed get back up. Now, without the magic of cytorak hed be dead. But... hows hulk suppose to get the gem out of him if you can cut him or open him up?
Don't get me wrong man. Juggernaut is a monster and there probably aren't a whole lot of Earth based characters that could take him out. Hulk is just one of them. Colossus is another, Vision another.....you get the point.
Just to put the final nail in though, Hulk can crush adamantium. You know, the whole indestructible metal thing? Yeah. Hulk crushed that.
Sit Down.
-AC
no i clearly know more about comics...dont quote marvel directory anymore, its an indepentent webiste...its not made by marvel...half of its info is antiquated or just plain innacurate....im talking about comics, Onslought almost killed him and War almost killed him...Hulk issue #457 Juugernaut is running and Hulk stops him and throws him through the air....Jugs screams: Impossible!!!...Hulk hits him a few pages later and knocks him into the air and he flies though a building...hulk cuts off his helmet and raises his sword "so: nothing can stop juggernaut? well here're two thins that can. my power....and your imminent beheading."
my point, juggernaut is not unstoppable, hope i didnt hit a nerve or make u made, Im jus telling u about some comics, u should try reading them instead of quoting marvel directory
Not a whole lot, then you start naming off like a bunch and stop.
Yea, he tottally crushed up onslaught.
So? That wouldnt do anything to juggey, he cant penetrate the magic, it might break some of his bones, sure. So? Hes pain resistant, and he cant be killed, and the gem heals it back.
Im already sitting.