Juggernaut or The Hulk?

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Hold on there. I am not saying Juggy has limitless strength.

I am saying he has a unknown limit.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Hold on there. I am not saying Juggy has limitless strength.

I am saying he has a unknown limit.

I agree.

You really can't prove "limitless" anything can you?
Hulk's strength is unknown, as is Jugs.

No real question there.

And wasn't beyonder proven to kinda stretch the truth when it comes to power?

Seriously, how can you even say it's 50/50 when one fighter is impossible to K.O or kill, and the other one is, and has been numerous times?

Originally posted by long pig
You really can't prove "limitless" anything can you?
Hulk's strength is unknown, as is Jugs.

No real question there.

And wasn't beyonder proven to kinda stretch the truth when it comes to power?

Seriously, how can you even say it's 50/50 when one fighter is impossible to K.O or kill, and the other one is, and has been numerous times?

No. Hulk's strength is limitless, not unknown. If you can't take Beyonder's word for it, ask Reed, or Doc Samson, or Peter David (Hulk's writer.) Beyonder stretched the truth about what?

Juggernaut hasn't been "proven" to be immune to damage, or unable to be knocked out.

Thats true. Besides, Hulk is virtually indestructible. His healing factor gets faster as he gets madder just like he gets stronger when he gets madder. The ability to harm him doesn't mean you can kill him. You can chop his head off and he would just grow it back in a matter of seconds. The ability to heal quickly is in his blood cells. Not his brain. Therefore killing the Hulk is pretty much impossible. There was once a comic book I read where he was fighting Wolverine with the bone claws, and wolverine gauged out his eyes and in just seconds he grew them back. So I think that you aren't giving credit where credit is due. Hulk can beat Juggs. 🤘 ✅ 💃

No. Hulk's strength is limitless, not unknown.

Limitless IS unknown.

I don't believe Hulk's strength to be limitless, or Jug to be perfectly invulnerable.

Juggernaut hasn't been "proven" to be immune to damage, or unable to be knocked out.

Actually, so far he has.

Hulk, on the other hand, has not.

Thus far Jug and Hulk have both been able to lift whatever they have tried. Both strength is near limitless.

Beyonder's powers were found out to be highly faslified and more likely illusions.
He is powerful, but less than he had shown and said.

Every instance of Juggernaut being knocked out, or hurt has been dismissed as PIS, or BS.

Savage Hulk has never been knocked unconscious by physical force alone either, and he cannot be killed. That would make this fight a 50/50.

Funny thing is, magic derived from beings far inferior to Cyttorak has broken Cyttorak's enchantment, (harmed Juggernaut,) yet, you speculate that the curse is utterly indomitable.

Hulk can beat Juggs

How?

Savage Hulk has never been knocked unconscious by physical force alone either

Namor K.O'd him twice

Funny thing is, magic derived from beings far inferior to Cyttorak has broken Cyttorak's enchantment, (harmed Juggernaut,

Exactly, MAGIC.
Hulk doesn't have magic.
He can not win.

Originally posted by long pig
Limitless IS unknown.

I don't believe Hulk's strength to be limitless, or Jug to be perfectly invulnerable.

Actually, so far he has.

Hulk, on the other hand, has not.

Thus far Jug and Hulk have both been able to lift whatever they have tried. Both strength is near limitless.

Beyonder's powers were found out to be highly faslified and more likely illusions.
He is powerful, but less than he had shown [b]and
said. [/B]

Limitless is not unknown. Unknown indicates a limit. Limitless is infinite.

Beyonder was retconned. As I said before, just ask Peter David about Hulk's strength. It is limitless.

Juggernaut has never attempted to lift anything remotely close to what Hulk has.

Originally posted by long pig
Namor K.O'd him twice

Exactly, [b]MAGIC.
Hulk doesn't have magic.
He can not win. [/B]

First time, Bruce was controlled by puppet master. Hulk fights Namor, Hulk resists Puppet Master's control, Namor floods the Puppet Master's lab, Hulk reverts to Banner. There was no knockout.

Second time, Namor fought Banner-controlled Hulk.

However, this proves that the enchantment is not unbreakable. You assume the curse cannot be broken by great enough physical force, but Juggernaut has never fought anyone powerful enough to establish this, aside from Onslaught, (which was PIS.)

I was just using wordplay on "limitless", I knew what you meant. sheesh. 😎

But, how can you say Jug's isn't limitless as well?

Originally posted by long pig
I was just using wordplay on "limitless", I knew what you meant. sheesh. 😎

But, how can you say Jug's isn't limitless as well?

Because he has never been said, or proven, or even suggested to be.

I call it a K.O when he goes unconcious.
He was unconcious before the puppet master lets him go, then reverts back to banner.

Originally posted by long pig
I call it a K.O when he goes unconcious.
He was unconcious before the puppet master lets him go, then reverts back to banner.

No, he wasn't. I have the comic book.

Can Juggs lift 150 BILLION tons? I don't think so. Therefore that proves that Hulk is stronger than Juggs. Besides, how can Juggs not be able to not get knocked out by a behemoth that can lift that much. That is pretty much unreal when you think about it. Maybe at the beginning he can take Hulk's punches but after a while he would end up on his knees or on the ground exhausted or unconscious. ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Because he has never been said, or proven, or even suggested to be.

Hulk has never proven to be either.
Only been said and suggested.

Even if you're right, how does that help him here against Juggernaut?
It doesn't.

How can Hulk win?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
No, he wasn't. I have the comic book.

Yes he was.
Scan it, prove me wrong.

Originally posted by long pig
Hulk has never proven to be either.
Only been said and suggested.

Even if you're right, how does that help him here against Juggernaut?
It doesn't.

How can Hulk win?

Proven as well. Beyonder probes Hulk, and proves this. If you choose to ignore this fact, that's on you.

Hulk wins by incapacitating Juggernaut, or knocking him out by overcoming the enchantment. I would say throw him into space, but that's only legal for Superman. 😉

Can Juggs lift 150 BILLION tons?

Probably yes.

how can Juggs not be able to not get knocked out by a behemoth that can lift that much.

By magic.

after a while he would end up on his knees or on the ground exhausted or unconscious.

Jug's doesn't tire.
His stamina is as "limitless" as Hulk's strength.

Maybe at the beginning he can take Hulk's punches but

He can, and has, with no effect.
You seem to be under the assumption Hulk's base is more than Jug's. it isn't.
That's why I don't think Hulk could take Jug's punches at the begining, but the longer they fight, the more even they become.