Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Wynndar
u should read a few issues later....the Hulk fights this creature Peacemeal for a little bit and has a great deal of trouble with him, simply because he has no experience as the hulk....however, in the issue that Red Skull brainwashes Hulk, Jugs knocks out peacemeal with one punch....Jugs is superior to professor Hulk...hoever if professor ever fought Jugs when he was angry this would be a different story

what would make it a different story??? the fact that he still couldn't over power him??? the fact that he still couldn't stop him??? the fact that he still couldn't physically hurt him??? yep, sounds like it would be much different to me..... NOT...... whatever dude.

well until i turn my title to HulkFAn and make him my favorite character....then i might like him too much....and a dimensional barrier doesnt mean anything....what do u have to reference that against?....like never said, the flash breaks dimensional barriers all the time....it doesnt make him incredibly strong, it just sounds really impressive

but juggernaut did it physically..... i dunno how flash does it. hulk has never physically rendered the laws of physics assunder. but juggernaut has. also you are comparing dc, to marvel. that alone should make it invalid.

i will find examples of marvel characters doing it then...physics obviously dont apply to someone who's powers are mystical in nature anyway, so i dont know why i would expect Hulk to accomplish this...thats like saying look Dr. Strange can fly so he has to be stronger han the Hulk....no he can fly because of his mystical properties....just like how Jugs can defy physics....it doesnt say anything about his strength

Originally posted by Wynndar
i will find examples of marvel characters doing it then...physics obviously dont apply to someone who's powers are mystical in nature anyway, so i dont know why i would expect Hulk to accomplish this...thats like saying look Dr. Strange can fly so he has to be stronger han the Hulk....no he can fly because of his mystical properties....just like how Jugs can defy physics....it doesnt say anything about his strength

well he was physically tearing down dimensional barriers. how is that not using strength??? hulk hasn't did, hulk will never do it. thats like saying hulk didn't physically hold up that mountain.

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Originally posted by Wynndar
i will find examples of marvel characters doing it then...physics obviously dont apply to someone who's powers are mystical in nature anyway, so i dont know why i would expect Hulk to accomplish this...thats like saying look Dr. Strange can fly so he has to be stronger han the Hulk....no he can fly because of his mystical properties....just like how Jugs can defy physics....it doesnt say anything about his strength

like i said....it wasnt due to his strength but the mystical nature of his powers

Originally posted by Wynndar
like i said....it wasnt due to his strength but the mystical nature of his powers

juggernaut's strength comes from his mystical abilities yes.... but that doesn't change the fact that he was ripping apart reality with his fists. it still took emmense strength that hulk simply has not displayed.

that's like saying that thor's lighning is mystical itself. which it isn't. it is summoned mystically, but it's not mystical. same goes for juggernauts strength.

I agree WarHulk is not the strongest Hulk out there. just becuase Guilt Hulk and Devil Hulk **seem** much more powerfull and both are intellegent.

Anger is a negative emotion both Guilt and Devil Hulk are comprised of negative feelings. not to mention Guilt is 50ft tall

just my theory.

no but defying physics is a total other ealm than Thor's lightning....it has nothing to do with strength...its like saying someone is stronger than Hulk because they can fly...its not a display of strength

if they did start to fight the x men or avengers or something would come and break it up because many people woud get hurt if the both went all out.

Originally posted by Wynndar
no but defying physics is a total other ealm than Thor's lightning....it has nothing to do with strength...its like saying someone is stronger than Hulk because they can fly...its not a display of strength

ok........ whatever you say pal. punching through dimensional barriers is a feat of strength.

No it isn't, it's a display of mystical abilities. That's like saying punching through a pool of water and making a hole that stays open is a feat of strength.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
No it isn't, it's a display of mystical abilities. That's like saying punching through a pool of water and making a hole that stays open is a feat of strength.

No it is not, because a "dimensional barrier" is not mystical in nature. Dr. Strange performs feats of mysticism, NOT Juggernaut.

And it is NOT a "feat of strength" either. Is Flash's VIBRATING through dimensions a feat of strength? My goodness, since when was punching SPACE a feat of strength?

When Superman punched through TIME (arguably the SAME thing as Juggernaut and that...so-so feat of strength) was that a "feat of strength?" No.

Yes Hulk can STOP Juggernaut using physical force. LoL this is ridiculous.

I can argue that punching through a dimensional barrier is a feat of mysticism, because cyttorak is mystical, and provides Juggernaut with his abilities, even ones that he doesn't know or understand.

i think one of their points is, if hulk was powered mystical in nature as that of the juggernaut, then he also would be able to rip through dimensional barriers as juggernaut. the only reason jugs can accomplish this, is because he is powered by mystical forces. and also, as mentioned earlier, winning is not only accomplished by killing ones opponent, but by many ways (in ex... rendering one unconcious, making ones foe surrender, having ones foe beg for mercy, etc..) but the way it seems to defeat someone lateley is more a form of opinion. obviously juggernaut defeated proffessor hulk, just as war hulk defeated juggernaut(if having someone on theere knees and saying the beheading the with the sword you hold above your head after a battle isnt victory i dont know what is) and, if they were to battle again, and hulk simply threw juggernaut to, say, the moon. then hulk has won, and vice versa<spelling? this is never going to end, because there is no clear cut winner and this topic is dominated mainly dominated by fans who favor one opponent to highly simply because they take a like to them. (fanboys) im not referencing this to anyone, just saying.

"how is any other hulk stronger than that????"

Maestro Hulk is the strongest. Fact.

isnt it from the overexposure to gamma throughout the years?

Massive overexposure. Maestro isn't going down to anyone aside from a few (cosmics etc).

"hulk - "Not giving me time to recover..... didn't realize full extent....... of....his......power.....still don't know.......head swimming.....got used to pantheon covering my back......sloppy so sloppy........can't....think......CAN'T STOP HIM....." hulk was actually thinking this"

You sure Hulk thought this? You sure this isn't......made up? That quote is quite telling. The two points you argue pointlessly are conveniently weaved into the quote. Give us comic numbers if this is infact a true quote. Coz if that's the case I can do this:

Juggernaut: Hulk took me to the recycling centre.

See? Well then. Proof or zip it.

You go on about Hulk NEEDING back up from the pantheon or what have you. Juggernaut owes his existance to outside influence. Take away the gem or the gem's power (outside influence if that is your argument against Hulk) and what is he? A normal man. Take away back up from the pantheon or anything else and Hulk is still Hulk. As I said before, killable or not Juggernaut has been viciously STOPPED by Hulk and many others. Which does sorta urinate all over your "he's unstoppable" rants.

It's quite funny. You try to argue objectively yet your name is JuggernautFan. Tsk tsk.

-AC