Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I think Never may have been implying that they are indeed facts.

I guess it will become clear on reply.

Am reiterating the "facts." Notice my quotation marks as well. They are OPINION.

It is beyond me how ANYONE thinks that if any high level cosmic or mystic wanted Juggernaut dead, he WOULD be.

Except for the fanatic poster Unstoppable who said "if the Beyonder let loose a ray that destroyed the entire solar system only Juggernaut would be left!"

Still LMAO @ that.

If a car is reapired and it comes back, hence forth, it technically is unstoppable. Because it has been stopped... But it was reapired and ran fine again. So if something has been stopped, no matter what is doen to it, and it works fine again, its unstoppable.

Originally posted by Never
Am reiterating the "facts." Notice my quotation marks as well. They are OPINION.

It is beyond me how ANYONE thinks that if any high level cosmic or mystic wanted Juggernaut dead, he WOULD be.

Except for the fanatic poster Unstoppable who said "if the Beyonder let loose a ray that destroyed the entire solar system only Juggernaut would be left!"

Still LMAO @ that.

Alrighty.

Originally posted by IRTMU-Dragon
If a car is reapired and it comes back, hence forth, it technically is unstoppable. Because it has been stopped... But it was reapired and ran fine again. So if something has been stopped, no matter what is doen to it, and it works fine again, its unstoppable.

Heh, technically it is REPAIRABLE. Not "unstoppable." If it was unstoppable it would not need repairing in the first place.

Originally posted by IRTMU-Dragon
If a car is reapired and it comes back, hence forth, it technically is unstoppable. Because it has been stopped... But it was reapired and ran fine again. So if something has been stopped, no matter what is doen to it, and it works fine again, its unstoppable.

That's an argument which is answerable either way.

It depends whether unstoppable means ultimately unstoppable, or unstoppable in any capacity. I'd side with the latter, otherwise it's a bit of a misnomer.

"If a car is reapired and it comes back, hence forth, it technically is unstoppable. Because it has been stopped... "

You know, schools are getting better every year. Try it some time.

You dont cut syaings off in your favor to make people look bad... Thats not a good mistake. You cut my sentenace off just where you like it.
Ok, A car is stopped. Its reapired, its back on the road.
... But... If its been stopped, and its on the road, Who cares about the circumstance, it is still technically unstoppable.

Well actually, even given that argument considers ultimate unstoppability, it would just be hard to stop, not unstoppable.

Yea, ur right, cause if u take out the reapair part, its stopped, so its not unstoppable... But for juggey... What if you cant take the reapir part out? Hmmm?

but juggernaut has been stopped, so he is only very hard to stop, and only unstoppable in his own mind, yours and the back of marvel cards.

Hm...I dont know about this

Juggernaut has been decimated by War Hulk correct? that was the biggest hurt Hulk has put on him. let's get this argument out of the way
that was WAR Hulk. wether or not he is the strongest Hulk who know's or cares*my money goes on Guilt Hulk being the strongest*. point is It wasnt a genuine Hulk incarnation

Now from what Ive read Juggernat IS only unstoppable while he is moving forward. it is easy to say If Juggernaut is standing around throwing punches he is not making use of his best weapon. forward momentum.

I'd say Hulk has beat Juggernaut when the two tussel. but when Juggernaut has used his forward momentum has Hulk ever stopped him?

I think we are confuseing Unstoppable with Unbeatable

Yo dude!
Nice picture

Originally posted by VENOMfan
Now from what Ive read Juggernat IS only unstoppable while he is moving forward. it is easy to say If Juggernaut is standing around throwing punches he is not making use of his best weapon. forward momentum.

Small correction, once again:

"Once he begins to walk in a certain direction, >>>>no obstacle or force on Earth<<<<< has been observed to be able to stop him."

YES he can be stopped while moving forward. According to his bio no obstacle or force on EARTH has been OBSERVED to be able to stop him.

Understood?

Yes I know he can/has been stopped, but this is about Hulk stopping him right?

beside's War Hulk, has Hulk ever stood infront of Juggernaut and halted him in his place?

due note these are just question's, Im not really pulling for either in this debate. I just want to have a clear standpoint on the whole thing

what would happen if hulk had read those words, and become the juggernaut?

Originally posted by VENOMfan
Yes I know he can/has been stopped, but this is about Hulk stopping him right?

beside's War Hulk, has Hulk ever stood infront of Juggernaut and halted him in his place?

due note these are just question's, Im not really pulling for either in this debate. I just want to have a clear standpoint on the whole thing

Not sure, VF.

I suppose Marvel could be saving that one for a one shot, Immovable object, Irresistable force bla bla bla....

Now that from what I suspect Juggernaut should be returning to his old self during the Identity disc arc

they should just let the two go at it until one is 100% incapacitated

that be a big book. probally longer than the bible

Originally posted by Never
Small correction, once again:

"Once he begins to walk in a certain direction, >>>>no obstacle or force on Earth<<<<< has been observed to be able to stop him."

YES he can be stopped while moving forward. According to his bio no obstacle or force on EARTH has been OBSERVED to be able to stop him.

Understood?

well he's traversed to other dimensions and was even tearing through the dimensions themselves. even time/space have proven unable to stop the power of the juggernaut. but we have yet to see him stopped completely. so i'd say that no force >>>>>>>>>>ANYWHERE<<<<<<<<< has proven capable of stopping his forward momentum.

lol so many pages! obviously i didn't read all of them, so i'm sure i'm repeating this but anyway...

the picture that venomfan posted is from an issue where the professor hulk runs into juggernaut in the rainforest (i forget why he's there). juggy is working for the red skull and he's tasked with bringing the hulk in to be controlled by mentallo (who is also working for red skull). juggernaut poses as a forest worker (he's driving a bulldozer when the hulk encounters him) to trick the hulk. for some reason they start fighting and the hulk isn't taking him seriously and keeps telling him to stop before he gets hurt. hulk eventually realizes something is up (way later than he should have! after the first punch, you'd think this hulk would have recognized that thies guy wasn't human). but by that time, he's taken enough punishment so that the juggernaut is able to headlock him and knock him out.

ewhen hulk comes too he's being restrained by red skulls technology and hulk starts taunting juggy to try to get him to attack and break his bonds. red skull talks juggy out of retaliating and juggy says something like "but i can take him" and red skull humors him, it's funny. anyway, hulk claims that juggy could only beat him because he tricked him.
eventually mentallo manges to control the hulks mind and hulk and juggy actually fight together for awhile! it's sick, the avengers come and they get devasted. vision almost takes juggy out by phasing his heand through juggy armor and literally fingering his brain, but the hulk crushes vision before he can do any real damage.

eventaully the hulk regains his mind and the 'psionic' force of the regaining knocks out everyone in the vicinity (i think it even knocks juggy out through his helmet). hulk has lots of psychological issues 🙂.

so, at least when he tricks the hulk, juggy can beat the professor hulk into unconsciousness (i'm not sure what could have killed the professor hulk, thanos (thanatos?) was the only guy i ever saw that actually did kill him. some super villian once blew almost all of the hulks skin and muscle off with a telekenteic force (he was almost just a skeleton!), and in about 20 secs, he had regenerated all of his body.. so he's definitely a tough bastard.

imo, if he was bale to get juggy's helmet off, hulk could beat him.. but it'd be a badass matchup 🙂