Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Hey, alpha. You saying Juggernautfan knows nothing about juggernaut, and his name is juggernautfan?

WHY DONT YOU GO SAY THAT TO VENOMFAN. Huh? Why dont you. The point is the mystical properties of juggernaut make him strong enough to lift the weight of an entire dimension. Punching a hole in a pool, and the hole not filling back in, is infact a feat of strength, youve punched it so hard, so seemingly impossibly hard, that the force of the punch is still pushing outward, allowing no water to flow back in.

At juggernauts full potential he has been witnessed tearing down dimensional barriers from the properties of his gem ENAHCNING HIS STRENGTH to levels beyond that of hulk could ever reach, because he has NO MAGIC.
He has summoned a force field so strong that it has infact blocked out psionic attacks, even when juggeys helmet is off. And, this was just his force field, nothing of him.
Point is THe GEM IS JUGGERNAUTS POWERS. take away hulks raddiation, and hes nothing. You cant argue about what the hero IS. Like your doing with patheon and juggeys gem.
Well, Spiderman sux cause without that bite being the outside influence hed die.
NO, TAKE AWAY PATHEON AND THE HULK MAY STILL BE HULK, but not a hulk that can physically kill, or K.O. Juggey.
Your argueing about his quote? Who gives a damn? If we cant trust each other on here than you mise as well be saying hoggle noshlle wazzle. What is that? You tell me.
Yep, Juggey has been stopped. But uh... Didnt he come back kicken? So... wouldnt that mean... that if he has the power to come back from BEING stopped, that he is indeed unstoppable? Or am I a grammatical fool?

no AC that is a real issue he quoted...its only a couple issues after Hulk became professor and joined the pantheon...he fought Jugernaut who was in street cloths and was going easy on him cuz he thought he was "a rally strong lumberjack" Juggernaut showed just how unstoppable he was when he was incapacitated by a psychic backlash caused by a really strong psionic...oh wait a really not strong psionic...the Hulk...wow...thats really unstoppable

what if it was a stalemate? like the two forces met and it just blew up the world......no, that will never happen, and neither will the end of this arguement.

you'd think this thread would be locked by now.

well, this is kinda what forums are about, but damn, this is alot of bickering

I can't wait to read the novel of the to going at it. in fact what the hell i should write the damn book myself. and no stalemate.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Massive overexposure. Maestro isn't going down to anyone aside from a few (cosmics etc).

"hulk - "Not giving me time to recover..... didn't realize full extent....... of....his......power.....still don't know.......head swimming.....got used to pantheon covering my back......sloppy so sloppy........can't....think......CAN'T STOP HIM....." hulk was actually thinking this"

You sure Hulk thought this? You sure this isn't......made up? That quote is quite telling. The two points you argue pointlessly are conveniently weaved into the quote. Give us comic numbers if this is infact a true quote. Coz if that's the case I can do this:

Juggernaut: Hulk took me to the recycling centre.

See? Well then. Proof or zip it.

You go on about Hulk NEEDING back up from the pantheon or what have you. Juggernaut owes his existance to outside influence. Take away the gem or the gem's power (outside influence if that is your argument against Hulk) and what is he? A normal man. Take away back up from the pantheon or anything else and Hulk is still Hulk. As I said before, killable or not Juggernaut has been viciously STOPPED by Hulk and many others. Which does sorta urinate all over your "he's unstoppable" rants.

It's quite funny. You try to argue objectively yet your name is JuggernautFan. Tsk tsk.

-AC

yes yes, i'm am a juggernaut fan so what better name to use than juggernaut fan?? i only signed to argue in favor of juggernaut in the first place. because people were saying that venom stood toe-to-toe with him, which is absolutely false. yes if you strip cain marko of the power, that would mean he's a normal man. but somewhere, sometime another juggernaut will be born. which is the purpose of this fight. Juggernaut vs. the hulk. not cain marko vs. the hulk. that quote is also from hulk 402. maybe you should go read it before saying it is a false quote. it was directly from the comic book. when has juggernaut been "viciously" stopped by hulk?? or anyother character (save onslaught) that you can think of??

Originally posted by Wynndar
no AC that is a real issue he quoted...its only a couple issues after Hulk became professor and joined the pantheon...he fought Jugernaut who was in street cloths and was going easy on him cuz he thought he was "a rally strong lumberjack" Juggernaut showed just how unstoppable he was when he was incapacitated by a psychic backlash caused by a really strong psionic...oh wait a really not strong psionic...the Hulk...wow...thats really unstoppable

ok....... hulk was being mind controlled in 404, he then broke free of his control, and a backlash knocked everybody unconscious, save vision. whom happens to be a android with no mind to attack. how you say that hulk was the one that stopped him is beyond me.

ok. Hulk shmulk. Juggernaut rules supreme.

just joking, I was trying to fuel the arguement again. This topic, is like... the ibggest one... ever.

"You saying Juggernautfan knows nothing about juggernaut, and his name is juggernautfan?"

Read what I said, then come back to me.

"Yep, Juggey has been stopped. But uh... Didnt he come back kicken? So... wouldnt that mean... that if he has the power to come back from BEING stopped, that he is indeed unstoppable? Or am I a grammatical fool?"

A car can be stopped by a truck if there's a crash. It can be repaired most times and will work as normal. Is the car unstoppable? No. It's just redeemable. Juggernaut has been stopped. Unkillable is different to unstoppable. Know this before you make anymore posts. Because you seem to be getting very very baffled.

Once again Juggernaut Fan, I call it viciously stopped when Hulk has the man on the floor about to cut his head off. Just me though, I'm crazy enough to call that viciously stopped.

-AC

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Some 'facts':

1) Juggernaut is 'invincible'.

2) Juggernaut cannot die.

Neither of these are "facts."

hahahaha....viciously stopped!!!!hahahahaha....yes he was stopped and on his back like a little bia

Originally posted by VENOMfan
just pointing out there is a difference between Wolverine type adamantium and *true* adamantium.

wich of these has Hulk mangeld?

Adamantium. Simply peep your Hulk #300 when he grabbed the statue made of adamantium, for starters.

Originally posted by Never
Neither of these are "facts."

Hence the quotemarks, and the subsequent post.

"Neither of these are 'facts.'"

I believe that's why he put it under commas. Coz they aren't facts. Only what people claim to be.

Well....Im still a little confused. Im assuming this statue was basic adamantium much like what Wolverine has?

Or the real deal?

"Neither MacLain nor anyone else has ever been able to discover what was the x-factor that entered the process, or has been able to fuse Vibranium with another metal. (The unknown iron-Vibranium alloy of which the shield is composed resembles True Adamantium, although Adamantium itself contains no Vibranium,)

Over the following decades MacLain experimented, attempting to duplicate the process that create the shield. Finally, in recent years, he succeeded in developing the process by which the substance known as True Adamantium is created. True Adamantium is nearly as strong as Captain America's shield, and is, for all practical purpose, indestructible. The degree of impermeability varies directly with the thickness of the Adamantium. A direct blow from Thor's hammer, conveyed with the thunder god's full strength, will slightly dent a solid cylinder of True Adamantium. A sufficient mass of Adamantium could survive a direct hit from a nuclear weapon."

I belive Hulk can destroy adamantium. Mainly becuase Thor, Hulk, and Magneto all have been able to alter it or damage it

I could be peering a little too deep into the detail's....but If somthing is truly unbreakable how can he destroy it?

yep, because when 'COMMAS' are above the word it usally means they aarent facts. ✅

I think Never may have been implying that they are indeed facts.

I guess it will become clear on reply.

Originally posted by VENOMfan

I could be peering a little too deep into the detail's....but If somthing is truly unbreakable how can he destroy it?

just like if somethings truly 'unstoppable', how can he be stopped.