Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Fair enough point me ol' chestnut.

-AC

who cares whether the hulk could stop juggernauts forward momentum? it has nothing to do with the arguement. personally, i don't know who would win. historically, i've seen each best the other. though, b/c of the lack of limits shown, my money would probalby be on the hulk.

does mjolnir not count as a "force on earth"? it stopped juggys forward movement.

Originally posted by lil timmy
who cares whether the hulk could stop juggernauts forward momentum? it has nothing to do with the arguement. personally, i don't know who would win. historically, i've seen each best the other. though, b/c of the lack of limits shown, my money would probalby be on the hulk.

does mjolnir not count as a "force on earth"? it stopped juggys forward movement.

It's a valid argument. when ever poeple try to downplay Juggernaut they usually say "unstoppable? yeah right" and then come across Hulk stopping him.

I personally have never seen or heard of Hulk stopping Juggernaut. beating him? I suppose, but other claim Juggy has one just as many fight's.

Have the two ever fought on fair circomstances till there was a clear victor? NOPE

there first fight was perfect. Juggernaut did not lose to Hulk he was more than ready to keep going.

Thor=God correct? I'd say that's beyond Juggernaut

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
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No force on Earth on earth can stop The Human Juggernaut's forward motion. Those are the words of Cytorrak correct? Well, I'm sure those rules were scribed way way way before Hulk even existed. So any force on Earth...THEN...may never have had the power to halt his forward motion. I think if Cytorrak saw what Juggernaut was sharing Earth with today he'd take an eraser to a few of those lines and edit them. It's like saying an army from years ago armed with muskets cannot be beaten, because back then, they had the strongest weapons. Times change and rules are very often no longer relevant.

-AC

i'm glad you said this cause i've been thinking the same thing for a long time. obviously the old adage "word scribed in stone" dont much mean much if you got a half-ton green monster who eats stone for breakfast.

all i'm saying hulk wasnt considered. thanks for wording it so great Alpha
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Hulk was created before Juggernaut right?...so how does

now force on earth...excluding the Hulk....can stop Juggernaut becuase they didnt consider Hulk, even tho Hulk was around long before Juggernaut even make a valid point?

The force that became Juggernaut, and the mythos behind it, is age old.

well, hes pretty much held up to that saying.

Originally posted by VENOMfan
Hulk was created before Juggernaut right?...so how does

now force on earth...excluding the Hulk....can stop Juggernaut becuase they didnt consider Hulk, even tho Hulk was around long before Juggernaut even make a valid point?

the gem its really really really old. that's what i was reffering to. so technically there had to be some juggernauts before hulk existed. (storyline wise)

prehistoric juggernauts....hmm.

Originally posted by vu_Quang
the gem its really really really old. that's what i was reffering to. so technically there had to be some juggernauts before hulk existed. (storyline wise)

Well...that makes sense, but Im sure the writer's still ment for Juggernaut to be....the true Juggernaut or one and only if you will.

"thanks for wording it so great Alpha "

You're welcome.

"Well...that makes sense, but Im sure the writer's still ment for Juggernaut to be....the true Juggernaut or one and only if you will."

Of course. But Cytorakk, as Vu-Quang has mention, clearly didn't take into consideration....The Hulk, when he was creating those words. Whether Juggernaut was "ready" to keep going or not, all of the fights aside from when he was dressed as a lumberjack, Hulk has had the upper hand for most of it. Like when Juggernaut ran away and Hulk grabbed him. Hulk stopped his forward motion then. No one said the forward motion had to be stopped from infront. Hulk sure stopped it AND Juggernaut was hastily retreating, not strolling around like most people claim.

-AC

I'm just going to say it would be a stalemate.

Booooooo. *makes chicken noises*

Nah, although it's a very heated debate, you are allowed to speak you know. It's just discussion.

-AC

I don't see any possible way either would win, really. If Juggy is invulnerable and Hulk is nearly as invulnerable but becomes more so as he gets angrier...well, I just don't think anyone is going to win it. Maybe if Juggernaut drowned the Hulk or something, he could win, but otherwise, it's going to get real old, real fast.

well never really know.

Juggernaut isn't "invulnerable". Just highly highly durable. He can and has been hurt badly. Even if it's only been a handful of times. The most notable are Onslaught and Hulk, when he beat him down, took off his helmet and threatened to behead him.

-AC

that wasnt hulk that was war, who had had his power augmented by apocalypse.

My point was that he can be hurt.

I stand by what I say due to the fact that Juggernaut has laid into Hulk before and Hulk never fought back by choice. Wasn't phased to the point of loss.

-AC

i got your point. you just have to distinguish because certain people on this forum would have made a big deal of it. so i did it for you, save you the trouble.

After reading the first few pages of this I will throw in my two cent on this debate.

Juggernaut is powered by the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak. It grants him Superhuman strength in the class 100 level. That is only a secondary power his true power is his invulnerability. Juggernaut is completly resistant against all forms of physical attack. Without his force field he is very very durable to the point of where he makes Hulk look like a low level superhuman in comparison. juggernaut has been reduced to bone when his power was being drained and he continued to fight on and regenerate. With his force field up he can be hurt by no earth bound force only high powered cosmics whos power dwarf that of Cyttorak. He is also physically unstopable when he moves in one direction.

Hulk is the gamma spawned titan whos strength in creases with rage. He has no upper limit to his strength. He is extremly durable, but not invulnerable like Juggernaut and can heal at a super fast rate, but not as fast as Juggernaut. As his rage increases the Hulk's other stats such as speed and durability.

Now I will review all of their fights:

The first time their battle went how it should have gone with Hulk and Juggernaut knocking eachother around but Juggs not being hurt and Hulk not being overpowered.

The second match was a sneak attack by Juggs, but he does KO the Hulk.

The third fight is not really a fight. It involves Hulk breaking Red Skull's mind control and freaking out on Juggs who he was brainwashed to believe he was his father. Hulk flipped out his rage went up and he hit Juggs with a gut shot that knocks his helmet off leaving him valnerable to a psychic attack. The Hulk would then have a psychic backlash from him breaking the mind control and that is what Koed Juggernaut.

In their last battle Hulk was powered by the Celestial tech Apocalypse put in him and sent to kill Juggernaut and Absorbing Man.
War fought Juggs and beat him like a rag doll while never hurting him. Juggernaut would even have his forward momentum stopped by Hulk due to his Celestial tech. The Celestials dwarf Cyttorak in power and their tech was able to over ride juggs Magic.

After all of this I would say that after a long hard fight Hulk takes the match due to him becoming so enraged that he knocks juggernaut into space with one punch, however Juggernaut is still not hurt.