Juggernaut or The Hulk?

HAHAH i love your analysis Docpocalypse. these two are quite possibly the most equally matched beings in marvel. (sure daredevil vs spiderman is good too sometimes...spiderman all the way btw) .

both super strong jugs starts out the stronger.....doesnt take hulk long to get equal.

jugs has healling and so does the hulk.

jugs with helmet..not subceptible to brainwashing..hulk fight off brainwashing all the time.

jugs has ULTRA ULTRA high durability. hulk feels pain all the time. doesnt stop him (case in point savage banner; break an arm keep on punching)

hulk keeps getting stronger.

jugs.. not really that slow .. but hulk extremly fast in compariison.

ultimatly niether one is INVINCIBLE. despite what they can take i say these two would have to kill each other

jugs.....doesnt need to breath.....this could be the clutch power. either in water or space he has advantage over hulk.

even namor whooped up on hulk underwater. (on land this was another story entirely)

I never heard of juggs having a healing factor and alson if they were in water noone will have the advantage seeing as how juggernaut wouldnt be able to swim he would just sink and hulk would still be faster under water hulk this one all the way

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
The force that became Juggernaut, and the mythos behind it, is age old.

those things still apply today though. juggernauts ability to not be stopped isn't based on his strength, it is based on the laws of reality. the same thing that his durability is based on. if he were like his counterpart in the ultimate universe, he would have a cap on his durability limits. but this however doesn't apply to juggernaut in main stream marvel. i'm sure most bio's will tell you that........ before somebody tries to argue against it.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"thanks for wording it so great Alpha "

You're welcome.

"Well...that makes sense, but Im sure the writer's still ment for Juggernaut to be....the true Juggernaut or one and only if you will."

Of course. But Cytorakk, as Vu-Quang has mention, clearly didn't take into consideration....The Hulk, when he was creating those words. Whether Juggernaut was "ready" to keep going or not, all of the fights aside from when he was dressed as a lumberjack, Hulk has had the upper hand for most of it. Like when Juggernaut ran away and Hulk grabbed him. Hulk stopped his forward motion then. No one said the forward motion had to be stopped from infront. Hulk sure stopped it AND Juggernaut was hastily retreating, not strolling around like most people claim.

-AC

when did juggernaut ever try to run away from hulk???? i think you are just pulling things out of your ass now. how often has hulk had the upper hand again?? certainly not in hulk 172. he had been raging for days and still was unable to overpower juggernaut. you have yet to address this issue. please do so, before moving on. the only time he HAS had the upper hand, was when he was upgraded as apocalypse's horseman. WAR. even then the gap wasn't so incredibly large.......like people try to make it sound.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Juggernaut isn't "invulnerable". Just highly highly durable. He can and has been hurt badly. Even if it's only been a handful of times. The most notable are Onslaught and Hulk, when he beat him down, took off his helmet and threatened to behead him.

-AC

THIS is why i wish more people would read the actual comics they are trying to debate with. juggernaut took everything War-hulk had to offer without a scratch. he was invulnerable, but warhulk did have the upperhand. but again he did -NOT- hurt him what-so-ever.

onlsaught and juggernaut's first battle wasn't shown...... we dunno what happened. not a very good reference if you ask me. 2nd battle.......everything points to telepathic assault. this was not a physical assault on the juggernaut's body which is why it could "do him harm" in that particular issue.

the only victory jugg has over the hulk is issue402 i believe and the only reason he won that is cause he was out of his armer and he starts beating up on the hulk hulk not knowin who it is pretty much doesnt even fight back and then juggernaut lunges for the hulk and hulk jumpsout of the way and jugg lands in quick sand but even after that the hulk tries to help juggernaut get out but jugg tries to pull him in so hulk let goes thinkin that its over hulk is about to walk away but jugg jumps out and catches hulk off guard and thats the only reason that he wins, so i odnt know if that is really a win when the hulk wasnt even fighting back as hard as he could but hulk has actually won and dont say it was cause he was war and is stregth was increased because how can u increase the stregth of the hulk someone with near limitless stregth and hulk wore him out so i dont know how u can say there wasnt a big gap in stregth ???

"but warhulk did have the upperhand. but again he did -NOT- hurt him what-so-ever."

So Juggernaut tripped and fell to the floor and laid there, not hurt, while War Hulk threatened to behead him? Hmm.

"THIS is why i wish more people would read the actual comics they are trying to debate with. "

I own the comics in question.

"onlsaught and juggernaut's first battle wasn't shown...... we dunno what happened. not a very good reference if you ask me. "

We don't know what happened so lets assume that nothing happened? Is that your argument? Bit fake then isn't it.

If Pyro and Hulk fought but we didn't see, would you assume Pyro could have won? No. So not seeing it isn't really a factor. I'm not saying what happened during the fight, I'm saying Onslaught put the fear of God into him and sent him packing half way across the United States.

Just can't believe this whole facade of Juggernaut being capable of beating Hulk is going on still.

-AC

I suppose this debate continues on because it'll be that big of a battle. Two big guys with near godlike strength and are pretty unstoppable sometimes, it would sound like one hell of a fight.

One hell of a fight indeed. Never disputed that.

-AC

no not really, These kinds of matches happen all the time in comics. They have faught twice,I'm not going into details why the Hulk would win becaus i have numerous times on this thread and others. So have many other knowledgable comic enthusiasts, and no one seems to want to except the facts, that Hulk would beat Juggernaut. I mean everyone's defense on why jugg head would win is because he is unstoppable. Okay...fine,let me go down on this level if this is True then why has he been STOPPED time and time, and time and time again? Just because a comic book insinuates that someone is all powerfull and unstoppable, it isnt true, believe me, most times it is a sales gimmick, If you go buy encyclopedia's or title cards, take your shit else where and never come to a comic thread again. Title cards say that omega red is nearly eqivelant to onslaught, this tells you just how much credit these things hold.Those things are for people who want to be fans and know nothing about the characters abilities, and so instead of bothering to find out on there own through issue loyalty (they way the real fans found out) they buy a peice of shit encyclopedia that was made simply to make money

too true. And the time Juggernaut beat the Hulk...Hulk had thought Juggs was sucked up in that quicksand.

Needless to say...a loss is a loss. But it wasn't exactly the clear cut slugfest that everyone makes it out to be.

yeah i know for a fact that they met twice, i have those two issues, granted they are old, and before juggernaut got his new armour that was beefed up with even more of the emkraan crystal, Hulk beat him and the other was a draw because the hulk busters interviened and jugg flew the coop

Hmmm. I'll admit I don't hardly know very much about Marvel, except for a few characters I admire a lot from the Marvel Universe, and my statements and reasoning may be a little flimsy, but the precise reason of why I come here is to learn even more about the Marvel world and it's characters.

The only real reason that people create threads like this, taking nothing away from Juggernaut, is coz they're both large strong dudes.

Juggernaut is not in Hulk's league. It's just the way it is.

-AC

juggernauts very much in hulks league....name some other guys that could throw down with the hulk like thing, abomination, and juggernaut. not to many names come to mind. there actually alot alike....an engine of destruction and an an almost unstoppable force.

the hulk would tear juggies head off.

Someone will take that literally and you'll have a pissed off fanboy on your hands. Be careful 😉.

Juggernaut isn't in Hulk's league, he's in the big strong guy league with Thing. Not Hulk's league. The only one who can claim to throw down with Hulk and be impressive is Abomination. Abomination is a monster. The only thing he has over Hulk is killer instinct.

-AC

Juggernaut has knock hulked out, wether by suprise or not, that puts him Hulks league.Thing is also in Hulks league. Thing trades hits with Hulk and comes back for more. they may not be as strong, but they can definitely compete with the hulk, therefore putting them in Hulks league. strength isnt every thing.

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