Originally posted by hulk=strength
"an juggs lets 150 billion ton mountains fall on him" .... u really are the dumbest son of a ***** ive ever seen
O rly!!!???
No need for the insults, I mean look at juggernauts power, nothing physical can harm him, I mean............
come on......no seriously, think about it.
I ain't mad at ya tho, I actually feel sorry for you, I mean, you obviously have trouble understanding simple concepts such as, "No physical force can harm him".
Originally posted by Apolloknight
O rly!!!???No need for the insults, I mean look at juggernauts power, nothing physical can harm him, I mean............
come on......no seriously, think about it.
I ain't mad at ya tho, I actually feel sorry for you, I mean, you obviously have trouble understanding simple concepts such as, "No physical force can harm him".
but that was proven false by war hulk who stopped him, overcame his magic and used his sword to physically remove and his helmet and almost his head (were it not for creel, jugg's would have been a lot shorter . . .)
the big question: can savage reach a level of strength that war achieved, thereby becoming strong enough to overcome cyttorak's gem? personally i see no theoretical reason why it should NOT be possible. but it has never happened so it's speculation at best.
Originally posted by leonidas
but that was proven false by war hulk who stopped him, overcame his magic and used his sword to physically remove and his helmet and almost his head (were it not for creel, jugg's would have been a lot shorter . . .)the big question: can savage reach a level of strength that war achieved, thereby becoming strong enough to overcome cyttorak's gem? personally i see no theoretical reason why it should NOT be possible. but it has never happened so it's speculation at best.
Honestly, that's all speculation. We don't know for sure if War Hulk's sword could've cut through Juggy. Did it show some precedence earlier that he can cut through him? I mean, yea, he took his helmet off with it. But his helmet comes off a lot, not his head.
And War Hulk was enhanced with celestial tech strong enough to overcome Cyttorak's power. It was a celestial enhancement. You can even see the damn glow surrounding Hulk when he was wearing the celestial tech. Hulk could never do that on his own, since all he has to offer is physical strength, which can and will never harm Classic Juggernaut.
And just to clear some other things up as well: Juggernaut could have help up the 150 billion ton mountain as well. And, he could've done it indefinitely if he so chose. He would not have gotten tired the way that Hulk did. Juggy has unlimited strength and stamina, the Hulk, while having seemingly unlimited strength, does not posses an infinite amount of stamina. He can be overcome with some vast amount of exhausting work. The Juggernaut, cannot.
So, in short, Juggernaut wins.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Honestly, that's all speculation. We don't know for sure if War Hulk's sword could've cut through Juggy. Did it show some precedence earlier that he can cut through him? I mean, yea, he took his helmet off with it. But his helmet comes off a lot, not his head.And War Hulk was enhanced with celestial tech strong enough to overcome Cyttorak's power. It was a celestial enhancement. You can even see the damn glow surrounding Hulk when he was wearing the celestial tech. Hulk could never do that on his own, since all he has to offer is physical strength, which can and will never harm Classic Juggernaut.
And just to clear some other things up as well: Juggernaut could have help up the 150 billion ton mountain as well. And, he could've done it indefinitely if he so chose. He would not have gotten tired the way that Hulk did. Juggy has unlimited strength and stamina, the Hulk, while having seemingly unlimited strength, does not posses an infinite amount of stamina. He can be overcome with some vast amount of exhausting work. The Juggernaut, cannot.
So, in short, Juggernaut wins.
Stopping the Juggernaut is not the same as harming him. And yes, Savage can stop him. If a non-pissed War Hulk can stop him, an enraged Hulk can as well. The celestial tech tapped into Hulk's own strength potential. And again, it wasn't the full Savage Hulk who lifted the mountain. The Banner-Hulk was much more vulnerable(he broke his friggin' leg, which healed instantly when the Savage Hulk reemerged)
It's also been stated numerous times that Hulk's rage will eliminate his need for food, water and sleep. He also becomes far, far more durable and invulnerable, to the point where Juggy can't hurt him at all. If Cain decided to get smart and pretend that the battle is over, the Hulk might calm down and lose his strength and invulnerability. But that's unlikely to happen.
In other words, stalemate.
Originally posted by hulk=strength
"an juggs lets 150 billion ton mountains fall on him" .... u really are the dumbest son of a ***** ive ever seen
That include the times you look in the mirror? 😛
But seriously - like it was said earlier, some newbies here can't seem to understand the simple phrase, in proper English: No Physical Force Can Harm Juggernaut.
I'll try a translation, into the vernacular of the people I've been chatting with lately:
"Hey don u git it, JUg cant be physicly harmd in eny way possible. U git that?" 😄
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Honestly, that's all speculation. We don't know for sure if War Hulk's sword could've cut through Juggy. Did it show some precedence earlier that he can cut through him? I mean, yea, he took his helmet off with it. But his helmet comes off a lot, not his head.
1. his helmet is also protected by his shield. if he could get through his shield to take off his helmet, i see no reason to believe he would have stopped at his head.
2. as you said -- celestial power>>cyttorak. yet one more reason to think juggs head was in imminent danger.
And War Hulk was enhanced with celestial tech strong enough to overcome Cyttorak's power. It was a celestial enhancement. You can even see the damn glow surrounding Hulk when he was wearing the celestial tech. Hulk could never do that on his own, since all he has to offer is physical strength, which can and will never harm Classic Juggernaut.[/B]
damn glow? 😕 yeah . . . i've seen the glow. point? you've accused me of speculating, but then go and say savage couldn't reach that level on his own as though it were some irrefutable fact. hulk's strength is potentially limitless. why wouldn't he be able to reach war level?
And just to clear some other things up as well: Juggernaut could have help up the 150 billion ton mountain as well. And, he could've done it indefinitely if he so chose. He would not have gotten tired the way that Hulk did. Juggy has unlimited strength and stamina, the Hulk, while having seemingly unlimited strength, does not posses an infinite amount of stamina. He can be overcome with some vast amount of exhausting work. The Juggernaut, cannot.So, in short, Juggernaut wins. [/B]
proof of juggs 'unlimited strength'? his strength has been cut in half in the past, and both juggernauts were much weaker than cain when he had the power alone. ergo -- cyttorak gem is NOT infinitely powerful, nor does juggs have INFINITE/UNLIMITED strength. that is quite conclusive as half of infinity is . . . infinity. and to clear up one more 'little thing': what exactly has juggs upheld that is even CLOSE to a mountain range? 😕
in short -- juggs could win. in theory savage COULD become strong enough to physically harm him. has he? no. speculation? a little, but given the list of 'impossible' feats accomplished by hulk, i feel safe in erring on hulk's side. 😉
oh, and juggernaut fights suck.
Originally posted by roughrider
Juggernaut is not completely unbeatable. But you need access to very high-level magic or 'cosmic' science, or be a telepath.
Standard Hulk has access to, or uses none of these.
Only War Hulk had the power neccessary, to get around Cyttorak's power.
correction -- only war hulk has SO FAR . . .
of course i'm speculating, hulk would likely have to be stronger than he's ever been to overcome juggs shield. i'm saying that theoretically it is possible given what the hulk has been shown capable of in the past.
he hasn't yet, so that in itself is your proof that he can't. but i still believe that there really isn't any physical task that is theoretically impossible for hulk. for the most part, i fall in with din on this one or side slightly with juggs because of stamina. however, hulk is stronger, and hulk MAY be able to reach a level of strength whereby he harm juggernaut.
s'alls i'm sayin'. 😉
Nobody is saying that Hulk can't be KO'd. Because he can, if you're quick enough. It's just that Spiderman can't. Not powerful enough.
Also, you should remember that once Jugsy gets his own comic book, his writers, at one point, will feel the need to challenge him. And to keep things fresh, they are going to put him through serious crap, which may involve knocking him out for shock value. They had plenty of time to do that to Hulk.