Originally posted by Soujaboy
It's just funny how Spiderman can physically ko Hulk, but Cain cant.It's also funny how nobody has ever physically ko'd Juggernaut or even caused him pain.
Yea, but Hulk still wins 10/10
now now, don't be like that . . . 😛
i gave juggs his props when i said i side more with him in this fight . . . 😉
Originally posted by batdude123
It's impossible to defeat Juggernaut by physical force. I can buy the fact that War Hulk stopped him (He was backed by Celestial tech for God's sake. No other Hulk has managed to stop him by the way), but the Hulk doesn't possess the power structure to take him down. I suppose that Hulk could win by BFR, but that would be his only shot. If Juggs puts up his unbreakable shield, then the Hulk is f*cked. Hulk cannot physically harm him so therefore, cannot take him down. Juggernaut however, would be able to. While I think that Hulk would give Juggs a GREAT fight for a good long while, Juggs would win 7-8/10 in the end. Hulks punches on Juggs would have absolutely no effect on Juggs while Juggs punches would take their toll on Hulk after a long while. Hulk may get 10 punches to every 1 punch of Juggs, but he can't take him down that way. Hulk's only shot is BFR like I said before, but Juggernaut wouldn't let that happen. He'd wrestle Hulk to the ground and eventually ware him down. Since this is not War Hulk, then I believe Juggs could also just run straight towards Hulk, and Hulk couldn't stop him then. While I like Hulk MUCH than Juggs, I think Juggs would prevail in the end.
Wrong. You are underestimating Hulk's durabillity. The Hulk gets stronger and more durable with each passing second, especially against someone he knows can't be beaten that easily. Hulk will soon enough realize that Juggy just won't fall, fueling his anger even more. Jugs punches will simply stop effecting him. In the end, they would just go on and on. Unless Jugs finds a way of calming Hulk down.
And again, an enraged Hulk can easily reach a non-pissed War Hulk's strength level. So yes, Hulk would be able to stop him.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Wrong. You are underestimating Hulk's durabillity. The Hulk gets stronger and more durable with each passing second, especially against someone he knows can't be beaten that easily. Hulk will soon enough realize that Juggy just won't fall, fueling his anger even more. Jugs punches will simply stop effecting him. In the end, they would just go on and on. Unless Jugs finds a way of calming Hulk down.And again, an enraged Hulk can easily reach a non-pissed War Hulk's strength level. So yes, Hulk would be able to stop him.
Is Hulk immortal?
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Wrong. You are underestimating Hulk's durabillity. The Hulk gets stronger and more durable with each passing second, especially against someone he knows can't be beaten that easily. Hulk will soon enough realize that Juggy just won't fall, fueling his anger even more. Jugs punches will simply stop effecting him. In the end, they would just go on and on. Unless Jugs finds a way of calming Hulk down.And again, an enraged Hulk can easily reach a non-pissed War Hulk's strength level. So yes, Hulk would be able to stop him.
Ok man you've really been getting under my skin, so I'm going to challenge you to show scans that give us proof that Hulk cant be ko'd. I will then ask you to give me a comic where it states that Hulk's durability increases with his rage. If you cant give me the scans or the proof, then your points are moot and shouldn't be accounted for.
What part Of war Hulk can increase his strength do you not understand? Ok now listen.
War Hulk along with his Celestial implants was drawing power from TWO separate universes. This means that all the time War Hulk was fighting Juggernaut he was drawing power from TWO universes.
Do you get it? WAR HULK WAS BECOMING STRONGER
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Immortal? No. Unkillable in an enraged state? Hell yes!(I'm talking Non-PIS, here, btw)
Im tired of you making claims without proof
Your a fanboy, and im tired of dealing with you. You have no proof that backs up your claims and until you get proof your just a fanboy who none will take seriously.
Originally posted by roughrider
It's always about POTENTIAL for the Hulk, isn't it? That's what the fans cling to. He COULD do this, he COULD do that - while Juggernaut's stats have constantly been PROVEN in action.Time to sing some more:
Juggernaut versus Hulk
Can be such a lot of bunk
I'm right , so I'm a King
You're wrong, you're a Skunk!We argue in the morning,
We argue duirng lunch
We argue in the afternoon
When we have a new hunch!Will the fight ever end?
What will ever come to pass?
Who cares, I just enjoy
Getting medievel on your ass! 😄Hulk can fight, Hulk can smash,
He can go for hours and hours,
But watch when Juggs runs him over
While Hulk stares at pretty flowers! 😛( Ba-dum-a do-dodum-yeah! 😗 )
Originally posted by roughrider
Ah, the Secret Wars tale again...
He didn't lift it, he was keeping it from falling on him and others, with Iron man's help if you look, and it lasted less than a minute,and he said he had leverage.Juggernaut taken hits and blasts that would have killed the Hulk - he shrugged off Thor's Godblast, just for one example.
Hulk’s durability isn’t as efficient as Juggernaut’s, but it’s very high up there.
Originally posted by outarddwarf
Yes the gamma fuels the reaction of advanced cell growth but the process requires the protiens and sugers for reactants to actually become the cell. He cant just call upon matter that doesn't exist. If he is eating himself for nutrients he would instantly waste them healing himself due to his advanced healing factor taking them to reproduce the peice of hulk that just was broken down. He cannot use this as an out for nutritional purposes because one his healing factor wont allow it and two if he cut off his healing factor to use it he would be weakening himself constantly until he dies. Even if hulks body doesn't follow all the rules this is one no one can defy. "Energy cannot be created or destroyed only changed from one form to another" so he cannot evolve beyond eating it isn't possible.
Supposedly, Hulk draws power form his own pocket dimension (I’ve heard this stated by various individuals, but I have yet to see it for myself). When he was War and supposedly drawing power from two dimensions, he was stated at being ta his full potential.
But ignoring that for now, you are right-Hulk can’t take matter where there is no matter. So let’s look at it this way:
They fight until the Earth blows up. By that point, what happens? Answer-they most spend the rest of eternity fighting in space. At this point, Hulk’s strength and durability would have increased to the point of giving him sufficient fuel right there. As long as he is angry and pumping the same amount of adrenaline throughout his body, he already has enough to contend with Juggernaut physically, so he can just stay at that level. He would then just need his rage to enable him to keep fighting without sustenance or rest.
I wouldn’t say it isn’t possible for Hulk to evolve beyond eating. This is comic books science we’re talking about here. Who knows, he find the radiation spread through out space to be very useful in his situation.
Originally posted by roughrider
This amount of energy blasting didn't stop Juggernaut; what's the Hulk going to do?
Originally posted by roughrider
Now we're confusing Hulk with Doomsday.Hulk gets thrown into outer space, he eventually freezes and dies, if he doesn't run out of oxygen first.
Originally posted by leonidas
but that was proven false by war hulk who stopped him, overcame his magic and used his sword to physically remove and his helmet and almost his head (were it not for creel, jugg's would have been a lot shorter . . .)the big question: can savage reach a level of strength that war achieved, thereby becoming strong enough to overcome cyttorak's gem? personally i see no theoretical reason why it should NOT be possible. but it has never happened so it's speculation at best.
Hulk’s strength has reached Celestial levels before in mere moments (he destroyed the Flame of Life, which stood up to the Celestials), so why he couldn’t reach that level and then do what War did?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Honestly, that's all speculation. We don't know for sure if War Hulk's sword could've cut through Juggy. Did it show some precedence earlier that he can cut through him? I mean, yea, he took his helmet off with it. But his helmet comes off a lot, not his head.And War Hulk was enhanced with celestial tech strong enough to overcome Cyttorak's power. It was a celestial enhancement. You can even see the damn glow surrounding Hulk when he was wearing the celestial tech. Hulk could never do that on his own, since all he has to offer is physical strength, which can and will never harm Classic Juggernaut.
And just to clear some other things up as well: Juggernaut could have help up the 150 billion ton mountain as well. And, he could've done it indefinitely if he so chose. He would not have gotten tired the way that Hulk did. Juggy has unlimited strength and stamina, the Hulk, while having seemingly unlimited strength, does not posses an infinite amount of stamina. He can be overcome with some vast amount of exhausting work. The Juggernaut, cannot.
So, in short, Juggernaut wins.
Also, it was Banner Hulk who performed the mountain feat and although it was impressive for this incarnation, Savage shouldn’t have had any trouble at all.
Originally posted by roughrider
What about you? 😉
If we’re pitting current Hulk against Classic Juggernaut, then yeah, he won’t last very long at all. But I assume we’re talking about the classic Savage Hulk (he one that could plow through entire Avengers lineups).
Originally posted by Soujaboy
It's just funny how Spiderman can physically ko Hulk, but Cain cant.It's also funny how nobody has ever physically ko'd Juggernaut or even caused him pain.
Yea, but Hulk still wins 10/10
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I wasn't referring to you, you actually make since. The others though just say Hulk can fight on forever without any proof what so ever.
Accel - "Hulk certainly wouldn’t freeze to death and he could certainly adapt to the conditions of space"
Uh-Huh. 🙄
Another claim for Hulk backed up by no proof. All his appearences to this point suggest he lasts in space only as long as air in his lungs hold. His air goes, then he will just ice up. That's it.
Originally posted by batdude123
Is Hulk immortal?
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Ok man you've really been getting under my skin, so I'm going to challenge you to show scans that give us proof that Hulk cant be ko'd. I will then ask you to give me a comic where it states that Hulk's durability increases with his rage. If you cant give me the scans or the proof, then your points are moot and shouldn't be accounted for.What part Of war Hulk can increase his strength do you not understand? Ok now listen.
War Hulk along with his Celestial implants was drawing power from TWO separate universes. This means that all the time War Hulk was fighting Juggernaut he was drawing power from TWO universes.
Do you get it? WAR HULK WAS BECOMING STRONGER
Originally posted by roughrider
Accel - "Hulk certainly wouldn’t freeze to death and he could certainly adapt to the conditions of space"Uh-Huh. 🙄
Another claim for Hulk backed up by no proof. All his appearences to this point suggest he lasts in space only as long as air in his lungs hold. His air goes, then he will just ice up. That's it.
Originally posted by Accel
And Hulk has proven his stats. He has proven time and time again that he is capable of reaching any level of strength. It’s a little like some people argue that Hulk is not stronger than Juggernaut because both have sources for unlimited strength, yet Hulk has MUCH greater feats that prove he is the strongest.And Hulk has withstood a galaxy-destroying blast and redirected it with a thunderclap. If I could just find the damn scan, I’d post it here.
Hulk’s durability isn’t as efficient as Juggernaut’s, but it’s very high up there.
Supposedly, Hulk draws power form his own pocket dimension (I’ve heard this stated by various individuals, but I have yet to see it for myself). When he was War and supposedly drawing power from two dimensions, he was stated at being ta his full potential.
But ignoring that for now, you are right-Hulk can’t take matter where there is no matter. So let’s look at it this way:
They fight until the Earth blows up. By that point, what happens? Answer-they most spend the rest of eternity fighting in space. At this point, Hulk’s strength and durability would have increased to the point of giving him sufficient fuel right there. As long as he is angry and pumping the same amount of adrenaline throughout his body, he already has enough to contend with Juggernaut physically, so he can just stay at that level. He would then just need his rage to enable him to keep fighting without sustenance or rest.I wouldn’t say it isn’t possible for Hulk to evolve beyond eating. This is comic books science we’re talking about here. Who knows, he find the radiation spread through out space to be very useful in his situation.
Nothing.
Hulk certainly wouldn’t freeze to death and he could certainly adapt to the conditions of space.
I don’t see why Savage couldn’t do what War did. The whole “drawing power from two dimensions” thing is pointless when he already possesses unlimited strength.
Hulk’s strength has reached Celestial levels before in mere moments (he destroyed the Flame of Life, which stood up to the Celestials), so why he couldn’t reach that level and then do what War did?
How did the Celestial armor enhance him any how? Did it just make him stronger physically? If so, then Savage Hulk is very capable of reaching those levels and performing the same crap.
Also, it was Banner Hulk who performed the mountain feat and although it was impressive for this incarnation, Savage shouldn’t have had any trouble at all.
Eh, beating Hulk nowadays isn’t something impressive. These days we see him getting knocked by Spider-Man. Hulk’s just used as a plot device currently to make others look good, especially new villains like Titannus.
If we’re pitting current Hulk against Classic Juggernaut, then yeah, he won’t last very long at all. But I assume we’re talking about the classic Savage Hulk (he one that could plow through entire Avengers lineups).
Do you really think Spider-Man knocking Hulk out should logically happen?
Sorry, I have yet to read a comic where Hulk fights someone for eternity, so you’re right, I can’t provide concrete evidence. I can only apply what I know about the character.
I love you Accel, but come on man. You know as well as I do that Juggernaut written without PIS is just too much for Hulk. Cain has unlimited strength, durability, stamina, a magic force field, and that's just half of his powers.
Cain is the one Avatar for Cyttorak, the Cyttorak who has stood to both Galactus and Eternity. How in the world do you think a mortal man with unlimited strength can win?
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I love you Accel, but come on man. You know as well as I do that Juggernaut written without PIS is just too much for Hulk. Cain has unlimited strength, durability, stamina, a magic force field, and that's just half of his powers.Cain is the one Avatar for Cyttorak, the Cyttorak who has stood to both Galactus and Eternity. How in the world do you think a mortal man with unlimited strength can win?
I'm just arguing that at the very least he can stalemate Juggernaut.
Can't read the print in that scan, don't know what they're saying. Hulk is certainly connected to something.
During Acts Of Vengence, when Spider Man had the Captain Universe powers, he punched Hulk into orbit. He was stuck in gravitation like a satellite, with only one breath to catch before leaving the atmosphere. He thought that breath may last him an hour; after that, he didn't know what he was going to do. Just before his breath was to go for good, Spidey flew up and pulled him back down to New York.
Not only could he not breathe, he couldn't get his body to move anywhere in the vacuum of space. He was helpless.
Originally posted by Accel
He's not immortal in the same sense as Juggernaut or Deadpool. As long as he keep fighting, then he should be able to go on for eternity for the reasons I have previously stated. If all Hulk and Juggernaut do is sit around and nothing else though, then yes, Hulk would eventually die.I still don;t get how drawing power from two universes would prove useful to someone who already has boundless strength. As far as strength goes, the second dimension would serve no real purpose whatsoever. War Hulk was becoming stronger becaue he was still a Hulk- they all they have ability (how effectively, though, varies among the incarnation). So Savage Hulk can als BECOME STRONGER.
You know whats funny? Thanos has unlimited strength, but he was physically outmatched by Champion.
Hulk has unlimited strength, but he is clearly physically outmatched by War.
BTW, Hulk isn't the only person capable of fighting Celestials. Juggernaut cracked one of their domes.
