Originally posted by Apolloknight
This is what Hulk fans don't realize. For all of hulks supernatural strength and stamina, his anger is still based off human levels.There is nothing Supernatural about his anger, human anger has limits, Hulks strength is not unlimited because of this. I don't see whats so hard to understand.
If Juggernaut doesn't kill him at the start of the fight, after a long battle, he eventually would.
I don't understand how anyone could argue a stalemate in this fight, Juggernaut can not be stopped by what Hulk has to offer, nor does he tire, or need to feed, or even breath.
Proof? Of everything you're claiming?
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
let's say that Hulk can soehow become stronger than juggernaut Whocares? Cain just asks for more power from cyttorak and then Hulk is Fcuked cause classic uses about 25-30% percent of Cyttorak's power let's say Cain borrows 50% of his powers
Why are you repeating your post?
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Since when did this happen? For over 40 years Marvel has told us that Hulk's strength increases with rage, which we just proved in numerous threads has a limit. Now your saying that it increase because he wants it to? If that was the case any version of Hulk should have unlimited strength. No offense but that just sounds like a way to make it seem like Hulk has unlimited strength because we have proved the rage theory to be false. I would really like some hard comic or handbook proof of this statement.Picture a room. Now the room is all bright right? Now close the door and enclose darkness in the room. When the room is completely consumed by darkness, how can it get any more dark? , So how do you make the room darker if the room is already consumed by what your trying to make it increase?
When your mind is completely consumed by rage you cant get any angrier, because your mind is already completely consumed by it.
with Hulk power set, he loses every time.
No one has proved anything as far as a limit to Hulk's strength is concerned or a limit to his rage. He has consistently shown no end to his strength so I don't see why this is so hard to fathom. We're comparing Hulk's rage factor to that of a normal person and this is what we have to keep in mind: normal people like you and me possess some control over our emotions, which makes it difficult to angrier after a certain level. Hulk, however (at least some incarnations), possesses NO such control and will angrier as the fight goes on. Sure, he'll be going apesh!t, but that's Hulk for ya.
And yes, all incarnations of the Hulk have potential for unlimited strength. Some, however, like the Grey Hulk and Professor Hulk, have a harder time reaching that potential due to various reasons.
With Hulk's powerset, he won't beat Cain, but he can stalemate him.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
ok let's say that Hulk can soehow become stronger than juggernaut Whocares? Cain just asks for more power from cyttorak and then Hulk is Fcuked cause classic uses about 25-30% percent of Cyttorak's power let's say Cain borrows 50% of his powers
Originally posted by Accel
It's part of Hulk's character. If you want to understand it, READ HIS BOOKS. Of course Marvel's not going to go any deeper than, "the madder Hulk gets, the stronger he gets!" because it would just complicate things for a comic book. Besides, that line is too famous to just change around.No one has proved anything as far as a limit to Hulk's strength is concerned or a limit to his rage. He has consistently shown no end to his strength so I don't see why this is so hard to fathom. We're comparing Hulk's rage factor to that of a normal person and this is what we have to keep in mind: normal people like you and me possess some control over our emotions, which makes it difficult to angrier after a certain level. Hulk, however (at least some incarnations), possesses NO such control and will angrier as the fight goes on. Sure, he'll be going apesh!t, but that's Hulk for ya.
And yes, all incarnations of the Hulk have potential for unlimited strength. Some, however, like the Grey Hulk and Professor Hulk, have a harder time reaching that potential due to various reasons.
With Hulk's powerset, he won't beat Cain, but he can stalemate him.
Then Hulk just becomes stronger again and the cycle continues until Cain summons 100% of Cyttorak's power. He'll have reached his limit while Hulk will continue to grow stronger.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
lol hulk has strenght limit since bannerless hulk couldn't do anything to silver surfer THIS IS THE BIGGEST SHIT I EVER HEARD NOW YOU ARE COMPARING HULK TO CYTTORAK
When did I ever compare Hulk to the Silver Surfer OR Cyttorak?
I don't believe Hulk to be the most powerful, just the strongest (he has proven the latter time and time again). Being stronger doesn't mean he can beat any body.
I mean, look at Juggernaut, he gets taken down by five mutants. 😮
I'm not comparing Hulk to a Demon God, just his avatar. Think about it: there is no such thing as a % of infinite. If Juggernaut as he is only possesses 1% of Cyttorak's power, then that implies Cyttorak can't endow him with limitless strength. He gives Juggernaut 100% of his power and then what? He can't give any more. Cain stops getting stronger. That's a limit. And Hulk will continue to grow stronger.
Originally posted by Accel
😕When did I ever compare Hulk to the Silver Surfer OR Cyttorak?
I don't believe Hulk to be the most powerful, just the strongest (he has proven the latter time and time again). Being stronger doesn't mean he can beat any body.
I mean, look at Juggernaut, he gets taken down by five mutants. 😮I'm not comparing Hulk to a Demon God, just his avatar. Think about it: there is no such thing as a % of infinite. If Juggernaut as he is only possesses 1% of Cyttorak's power, then that implies Cyttorak can't endow him with limitless strength. He gives Juggernaut 100% of his power and then what? He can't give any more. Cain stops getting stronger. That's a limit. And Hulk will continue to grow stronger.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
But remember one infinite can be greater than another. Look at the IG or the HOTU
Look at it this way:
We have Hulk and Thanos, two beings who can amp their strength's to unlimited levels, but Thanos starts how higher than Hulk. Hulk can continue to amp his strength to try and surpass Thanos, but only if Thanos lets him. If Thanos amps his strength up as well, then he'll always be a notch or two above Hulk in strength, no matter what. Both have boundless strength, but as long as Thanos keeps his up, he'll remain stronger than Hulk (assuming Thanos doesn't have a limit to how much he can increase his strength).
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
When cain had 100% power of cytorak he was way above skyfather no versions of hulk can beat a skyfather
If it's the latter, then Hulk can still stalemate him as long as he continues to amp his strength while Cain receives more and more power from Cyttorak and still surpass him physically.
Originally posted by Accel
Did Cain gain any other powers, or did he just keep his powerset as it already was?If it's the latter, then Hulk can still stalemate him as long as he continues to amp his strength while Cain receives more and more power from Cyttorak and still surpass him physically.
Wow you cant argue with Hulk fans. As I've stated before, I love Hulk, he is one of my fav MU characters, but with his Power-Set, There is absolutely, no possible way he can beat Juggernaut, Let me repeat that
THERE IS NO WAY WITH HIS POWER SET HE CAN BEAT JUGGERNAUT....FACT
Now lets look at some other facts, Juggernaut, at the beginning of the fight, can beat hulk if he ain't playing around, and since the rule of this forum clearly say both fighters will fight at full potential, Juggernaut Kills him within the first few minutes, if not seconds of the fight. It has been proved if you do enough damage to overwhelm hulk from the beginning of the fight, you can Kill Him.......RKT anybody...., Let me say that again
IT HAS BEEN PROVEN IF YOU DO ENOUGH DAMAGE TO HULK FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE FIGHT YOU CAN KILL HIM......FACT
Thats all I need right there to convince me, you guys are using false claims and Theory's for your arguments, seems to me like your reaching, Hulks Strength has never been calculated, its not unlimited, Juggernaut Strength is Immeasurable, because is is Unlimited, just like his stamina.
Bottom Line is......
Can Hulk ever beat Juggernaut........NO , THATS A FACT
Can Juggernaut beat Hulk.............YES THATS A FACT
LOL, why am i still arguing this, I cant get through to fan-boys.....
/end discussion......
If both fighters are fighting at full potential then Classic Juggernaut has no chance of killing him at all. If you say full potential then Hulk would be fighting at his highest possible rage level. A Hulk like that cannot be killed by Juggernaut.
Hulk's strength is unlimited, because really, "the upper limit to his strength is unknown" is really just a fancy, pseudo-scientific way of saying "His strength is unlimited". The Hulk was designed and developed to be impossibly strong. Adding a bit of nuance is typically Marvel. Besides this, several writers have stated that he is unlimited in strength. Most notably Sal Buscema
And again, you are not listening. This debate is not about beating Juggernaut, it's just some of us defending the Hulk against biased, uninformed fanboys. Nobody ever said Hulk can beat Juggernaut. But I guess you aren't listening.