Originally posted by grey fox
No , when we were discussing who's PWNED who (Rhino against Hulk) one of you three then posted the Venom versus Juggy fight.If this is your 'Proof' then it is poor stuff indeed , I see Hulk getting a lucky shot in and then attackign a guy in a place wherein he couldn't reach .
But Souja boy is right. If the X-men weren't their Hulk would have been pushing up daises.
Parts of this fight are missing.
Originally posted by grey fox
No .Out muscling would mean their was a feat of strength that was comparable.
All i saw is Hulk grabbing Juggs and spinning him , now if i spun you like that would you be able to reach me or even stop me. No.
Don't be stupid. You saw what happended. Juggernaut attempted to break Hulk's neck. He failed, because Hulk's strength increased, which allowed him to pull. with one arm and four fingers.
Originally posted by grey fox
If this is your 'Proof' then it is poor stuff indeed , I see Hulk getting a lucky shot in and then attackign a guy in a place wherein he couldn't reach .But Souja boy is right. If the X-men weren't their Hulk would have been pushing up daises.
Originally posted by grey fox
Invulnerable to harm = Pis.I also remember a scan with Hulk getting trapped by a signle blast of Ice-Man and having to wait HOURS to break out .
OH and that was your precious ' Savage hulk' . Which apparently if i believe your claims has unlimited everything (aside from brains)
Originally posted by grey fox
No .Out muscling would mean their was a feat of strength that was comparable.
All i saw is Hulk grabbing Juggs and spinning him , now if i spun you like that would you be able to reach me or even stop me. No.
Juggernaut tried to break Hulk's neck. When he did, Hulk grabbed him, lifted him over his head with one arm and threw him into a mountain.
That's outmuscling.
Originally posted by Accel
What do you base this statement off of? The fact that Hulk stopped Cain from charging TWICE? The fact that Hulk threw Cain off of him after being jumped from behind? Sorry, I don't see your logic.So if something bad happens to Juggernaut, it's PIS, but if it happens to Hulk, it's normal. 🙄
Exactly.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Juggernaut tried to break Hulk's neck. When he did, Hulk grabbed him, lifted him over his head with one arm and threw him into a mountain.That's outmuscling.
WRONG.
Out muscling would be the War Hulk versus Juggernaut match. That was Hulk grabbing a guy and throwing him .
Originally posted by Accel
What do you base this statement off of? The fact that Hulk stopped Cain from charging TWICE? The fact that Hulk threw Cain off of him after being jumped from behind? Sorry, I don't see your logic.So if something bad happens to Juggernaut, it's PIS, but if it happens to Hulk, it's normal. 🙄
No . Jugg's getting beat by any Tp'er is understandable and acceptable.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Parts of this fight are missing.
Don't blame me , I'm not the guy who scanned them .
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Don't be stupid. You saw what happended. Juggernaut attempted to break Hulk's neck. He failed, because Hulk's strength increased, which allowed him to pull. with one arm and four fingers.
Jugg's has his knee on his back and then grabbed his head. Hulks arms were three. He could have grabbed him easily.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Dina, Accel, you guys got this. I gotta go.This thread always dies with a unanimous draw, and then some Juggernaut supporter revives it with inaccurate claims and faulty logic.
And they say Hulk supporters are hardheaded.
I'm a fan of neither. I'm just a fan of logic.
Pi owns any number , not matter how many powers it may be times-ed by.
And i am leaving now (not kmc just this board) for this is starting to bore me , I also want to see if Pion has replied on the fan fiction thread....
Originally posted by Rewmac
Hulk is a lame, pathetic green shit. Just a big man with screams and smashing power. Okay there are other versions, but still original Hulk is lame. Even J2 stood a chance against the Hulk, and J2 is nowhere near to Juggernaut in strenght,durability,skills and experience....
You seem to like Colossus. This completely invalidates your opinion on Hulk or any other character.
Powers
The Hulk possesses an incredible level of superhuman physical ability. His capacity for physical strength is potentially limitless due to the fact that the Hulk's strength increases proportionally with his level of great emotional stress, anger in particular. The Hulk uses his super humanly strong leg muscles to leap great distances. The Hulk has been known to cover hundreds of miles in a single bound and once leaped almost into orbit around the Earth. The Hulk has shown a high resistance to physical damage nearly regardless of the cause, and has also shown resistance to extreme temperatures, poisons, and diseases in addition to regeneration of damaged or destroyed areas of tissue at an amazing rate.
The Hulk's body also has a gland that makes an "oxygenated per fluorocarbon emulsion", which creates pressure in the Hulk's lungs and effectively lets him breathe underwater and move quickly between varying depths without concerns about decompression or nitrogen narcosis.
Abilities
Dr. Bruce Banner is a genius in nuclear physics, possessing a mind so brilliant that it cannot be measured on any known intelligence test. When Banner is the Hulk, Banner's consciousness is buried within the Hulk's, and can influence the Hulk's behavior only to a very limited extent.
http://marvel.com/universe/Hulk_%28Bruce_Banner%29
Marvel says that Hulk's strength grows with his anger, and we have proved that anger isn't limitless. Marvel also didn't say that Hulk has unlimited strength or durability.
The Juggernaut originally possessed untold mystical power which enhanced his strength to an unknown degree and made him a seemingly irresistible, unstoppable being. Once he began to walk in a given direction, no obstacle or force on Earth was able to stop him. Some obstacles, for example many tons of rock, or forces such as plasma-discharge cannons slowed his pace considerably, but nothing stopped him permanently from advancing. The Juggernaut was, however, vulnerable to magical forces of sufficient strength.
Besides giving him vast superhuman strength, the mystical energy of Cyttorak gave the Juggernaut an extraordinary degree of resistance to all forms of injury. The Juggernaut could also shield himself even further from injury by mentally surrounding himself with a force field. Enveloped by this field, the Juggernaut had been seen to survive the fiery explosion of a truck transporting a huge quantity of oil without any injury whatsoever. The Juggernaut could survive indefinitely without food, water, or oxygen thanks to his being sustained by his mystical energies alone.
In the past, the Juggernaut has temporarily possessed telepathic abilities and certain mystical powers, all of which he has since lost. Recently, however, the Juggernaut has been stripped of this mystical energy, including his personal force field. He still possesses superhuman strength, endurance and durability due to years of absorbing the mystical energies of Cyttorak, but the current upper limit of these traits is as yet unknown.
http://marvel.com/universe/Juggernaut_%28Cain_Marko%29
So there went the official Marvel bio's, so what's your excuse now?
Are you only limited to what you read in bios?
Marvel did state Hulk had unlimited strength IN HIS COMICS. It's been stated numerous times on panel. As long as Hulk stays angry, his strength will increase- he doesn't have to get angrier, but chances are most likely he will continue to get angirer as the fight goes on.
Originally posted by Accel
Are you only limited to what you read in bios?Marvel did state Hulk had unlimited strength IN HIS COMICS. It's been stated numerous times on panel. As long as Hulk stays angry, his strength will increase- he doesn't have to get angrier, but chances are most likely he will continue to get angirer as the fight goes on.
No I dont just go off Handbooks. Some Hulk fan a few pages back said that Marvel bio's only count and that Marvel bio just stated that Hulk's strength, stamina, and durability aren't limitless.
It's weird how every time someone brings proof here that Hulk isn't what you make him to be you have an excuse.
In your eyes........
Namor knocking out Hulk= Pis or low showing
Rhino knocking out Hulk= Pis or low showing
Juggernaut beating down Professor Hulk= Caught him off guard.
Hulk being ko'd by Spiderman= Low showing
Hulk reaching his limit in Onslaught saga= inconsistency
Thor physically killing Hulk= PIS
Sasquatch stalemating Hulk= PIS
Hulk being ko'd by Doc Samson= PIS
Thing stalemating Hulk=PIS
Silver Surfer owning Hulk= Pis
Thanos knocking Hulk around like a rag doll= PIS
Wolverine stalemating Hulk= Pis(I believe so To)
Official Marvel bio's stating that Hulk doesn't have unlimited strength, durability, or stamina= I cant go of these either
How many times does Hulk have to get ****ed up before you stop saying it's PIS for him to get beat down?
Every time we come up with proof it's PIS
Originally posted by batdude123
So you're telling me he's immortal?
I am saying Hulk can continue fighting Cain for the rest of eternity as he never tires during a battle. His strength, durability, and healing factor would just increase the whole time.
Originally posted by Accel
Not in the same sense as someone like Lobo, no. If Hulk were to just sit around and do nothing, then yes, he would die eventually.I am saying Hulk can continue fighting Cain for the rest of eternity as he never tires during a battle. His strength, durability, and healing factor would just increase the whole time.
How many times do we have to ask for proof of these claims?
Originally posted by Accel
Not in the same sense as someone like Lobo, no. If Hulk were to just sit around and do nothing, then yes, he would die eventually.I am saying Hulk can continue fighting Cain for the rest of eternity as he never tires during a battle. His strength, durability, and healing factor would just increase the whole time.
Yes, but in the Hulk state, does the gamma radiation even provide immortality if he keeps on fighting? Was this stated anywhere? I'm sorry, but unless I see some proof of him being able to survive for eternity if he is angry enough, I'll say he can't.